What brought down WTC7

[Number1]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: kylebisme
When I am wrong, I enjoy admitting it, as doing so allows me to better understand reality. Here is a song which might help you come understand the benefit of this yourself.

You enjoy admitting you're wrong?

Wow is that why you're making so many incredible claims in this thread? So you can admit you are wrong an unheard of number of time?

Are you going for a Guinness world record?

Ya know number1 I liked his reply here very very much . Being wrong and admitting freely and openly is wonderful . He isn't taking baby steps here those are man sized steps . Good for him . Number 1 soon you shall know the trueth . Than what . Tell me. What happens if He is correct . Tell ME what happens to your small little sheltered world .

But he did NOT admit to anything wrong in here , Maybe I missed it. Show it to me.

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Number1
...you're making so many incredible claims in this thread?

Please quote whatever you belive is the best example of what you are accusing me of here.

If you look back at your OP, anything you wrote after your very first word "What" is to support you main idea that an unknown force has brought down WTC7.

This idea has been proven wrong in here and in the other web site.

Once you come to term with this reality and admit that you were wrong you might be able to recover and gain some respect back from the rest of us. Until then, you're nothing but a lying piece of you know what.

I can't wait to see DrPizza's reply to you after he sees your " maths".

He is just going to tear you apart.

 

[ElFenix]

1=.9999999999999...?

 

[JEDIYoda]

To my understanding what brought down wtc7 was transwarp particles plummeting wtc7 from somewhere under the WTC........

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: kylebisme
When I am wrong, I enjoy admitting it, as doing so allows me to better understand reality. Here is a song which might help you come understand the benefit of this yourself.

You enjoy admitting you're wrong?

Wow is that why you're making so many incredible claims in this thread? So you can admit you are wrong an unheard of number of time?

Are you going for a Guinness world record?

Ya know number1 I liked his reply here very very much . Being wrong and admitting freely and openly is wonderful . He isn't taking baby steps here those are man sized steps . Good for him . Number 1 soon you shall know the trueth . Than what . Tell me. What happens if He is correct . Tell ME what happens to your small little sheltered world .

He doesn't think he is wrong neither do I . Math might be shakey but What others are saying here cann't be.

But he did NOT admit to anything wrong in here , Maybe I missed it. Show it to me.

He doesn't think he is wrong neither do I . Math might be shakey but What others are saying here cann't be. Ya still have a force acting on a static force. Ya well not get freefall speed. Ya guys been talking about witnesses . Yet you dismiss the witnesses on the scene talking about explosions . Firemen saying the same yet ya all dismiss that testamony

 

[Nemesis 1]

Try this guys . set up some domineos . They gain speed (momentium )I know its not the same but its easy to visualize in your mind .

 

[Nemesis 1]

Ya all remind me of the borg and resistance is futel. This poor guy is captain of entreprise .Resitance is resistance and it not futel . IF that building fell at free fall speed which was very close. It started from static . Than gain momentium if it happened as ya all say . It had to gain momentium because the force increased at every floor going down .

Using a pop can was bad Idea.

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

He doesn't think he is wrong neither do I . Math might be shakey blah blah

Maybe you're right. Maybe he is not smart enough to recognize he is wrong. That would explain how he can dismiss 95% of the scientific community who found nothing fundamentally wrong with the NIST report.

Maybe this is what allowed him to dismiss thousands of post describing to him how and why he is wrong.

But I don't think so.

He now knows he is wrong. Why else would he have stubbornly refused to bring his "math" into this discussion? Ill tell you why: because it had been thoroughly proven wrong in the other forum AND HE KNEW IT. He even went so far as proclaiming we were not smart enough to understand his "math".

If he didn't know he was wrong at the begining of the thread, he out to known by now after thousands of post showed it to him


No, his ego wont allow him to admit he is wrong.

It's people like him who propagate those lies who are the main reason why so many Americans believe in this shit.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

He doesn't think he is wrong neither do I . Math might be shakey blah blah

Maybe you're right. Maybe he is not smart enough to recognize he is wrong. That would explain how he can dismiss 95% of the scientific community who found nothing fundamentally wrong with the NIST report.

Maybe this is what allowed him to dismiss thousands of post describing to him how and why he is wrong.

But I don't think so.

He now knows he is wrong. Why else would he have stubbornly refused to bring his "math" into this discussion? Ill tell you why: because it had been thoroughly proven wrong in the other forum AND HE KNEW IT. He even went so far as proclaiming we were not smart enough to understand his "math".

If he didn't know he was wrong at the begining of the thread, he out to known by now after thousands of post showed it to him


No, his ego wont allow him to admit he is wrong.

It's people like him who propagate those lies who are the main reason why so many Americans believe in this shit.

Man you guys are thinking all wrong . D. U.M.B Is real . Who gets in who is locked out . The governments are exspecting great heat in 2012 . So they did exactly what scriptures says not to do Hide underground . Sorry scriptures cover this . These people will lie for a spot in the tunnels a chance to live.

But this is futal I am witnessing for the lord these underground Arks will be destroyed . We will make sure of it none that hide will survive .

This so called lie the rapture. Many will believe it happened as the people choosen will infact dissappear from the surface of the earth . You guys left on the surface with us follow scripture here . DO not envoke Christ name Scripture is clear on this . You must use GODs name . Make sure ya use the correct name . One of them isn't going to work and your heart must be repentent . Thats all ya have to do . Don't panic don't run . We will take care of those decievers threw GOD. D.U.M.B. was infact stupid. I have a wonderfulfully stocked bunker . Its to be used if man does something really stupid only.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Something very interesting just occurred . D.U.M.B. must be a word that gets big time attention . I was just probed for 15 min. PC barely responding . I was exspecting this .

 

[Delita]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Something very interesting just occurred . D.U.M.B. must be a word that gets big time attention . I was just probed for 15 min. PC barely responding . I was exspecting this .

Bwhahaha. This shit is classic.

 

[DrPizza]

Ummm, Nemesis, are you spamming this site with viral marketing for that dumb ass 2012 movie?

Also, at OP's "math" that was found online. Thank god I had just gone to the bathroom before seeing it, otherwise I think I would have pissed my pants laughing. All the drama over math, then THAT?!! lmao still!

Thanks for the lab idea though... I'll see if my class wants to build a building out of plywood and cans, then melt one of the lower cans with a blow torch. We'll use video analysis, spark timers, etc., to measure the rate of acceleration of different parts of the building.

Any specifications you'd like us to adhere to?

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Number1

You remind me of a deer fly. You buzz around constantly and every few minutes you land and try to take a bite. You're just as annoying.

You're always on the edge not taking one side or the other, just trying to seed doubt and demanding answers to an infinite number of speculative questions. One question get answered and you move on to another one and on and on and on.

One would think that by now you would have a fairly good idea of who you want to believe.

As for your question here, if you're not happy with the NIST report then formulate your own theory and produce a report that can be reviewed and analyzed.

Until them no amount of speculation is going to amount to anything remotely credible.

Ok my deer, It seems your comment regarding my question is such that you can't answer it. I can understand that. My question points to an obvious, to my eye, incongruity. You all seem to have a lot of answers and I was hoping you all might provide me with you alls insight... maybe further down someone will comment in a meaningful way.
I don't recall demanding answers...
I have lots of belief regarding this subject... or maybe faith is more appropriate! I have faith well, as I've said so many times before.
I think I understand the general theme of your comments. You'd wish for me to what? Be fully on one side or another? Does it bother you that a person stands where they do based on what they see as the firm ground where ever that happens to be? It don't bother me to accept what is reasonable and reject what is not and question what still remains.

I take it that you accept everything the folks at NIST and other government agency folks or entities say... That is fine by me. Who am I to question your belief and who are you to question mine?

Speculation is extrapolation of sorts. But when looking at a video of an event and a Sim of the same event a reasonable person would expect them to be the same. Are they?

 

[Nemesis 1]

Exactly! Thats the idea to stimulate your minds. Make ya think . Neatly wrapped packages show pride in work . packages that are slopped together and has no pride in work is easily identifiable . What happened on 9/11 was sloppy . The second plane getting to the other tower is sloppy sloppy sloppy . If that was a enemy plane no resistance . WHY? Why Did second plane not get shot down . NO excuse can cover this up none. They wanted the twin towers down that represented the Britts and USA . Now they want a 1 world trade center . You figure it out I am way past this shit .

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Exactly! Thats the idea to stimulate your minds. Make ya think . Neatly wrapped packages show pride in work . packages that are slopped together and has no pride in work is easily identifiable . What happened on 9/11 was sloppy . The second plane getting to the other tower is sloppy sloppy sloppy . If that was a enemy plane no resistance . WHY? Why Did second plane not get shot down . NO excuse can cover this up none. They wanted the twin towers down that represented the Britts and USA . Now they want a 1 world trade center . You figure it out I am way past this shit .

WTF are you rambling on about? Put. down. the drugs. In fact. There is no. Reason. To type. Like this. One. It makes you look. Retarded. Two. It makes it impossible to. Read what. You're saying.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Exactly! Thats the idea to stimulate your minds. Make ya think . Neatly wrapped packages show pride in work . packages that are slopped together and has no pride in work is easily identifiable . What happened on 9/11 was sloppy . The second plane getting to the other tower is sloppy sloppy sloppy . If that was a enemy plane no resistance . WHY? Why Did second plane not get shot down . NO excuse can cover this up none. They wanted the twin towers down that represented the Britts and USA . Now they want a 1 world trade center . You figure it out I am way past this shit .

You are where your mind is comfortable being. That is a good place to be, right or wrong.

There is no point in rehashing the issue of the who... We each conclude as we do based on what bias we hold. We often will defend what we believe regardless of what sensible argument to the contrary exists.

I prefer to believe that our Government are the good guys and Al Queda (sp) are the bad guys. If someone says our Government is infallible, I'd disagree. If someone said Al Queda are capable, I'd agree. It is all about rationalization and bias. Others may be different in how they apply their bias to the rationalization process. Such is life, I guess.

 

[ElFenix]

i like how after pictures of wtc7's roof landing on a building across the street are posted, kylebisme stops posting in that jref thread.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
Ummm, Nemesis, are you spamming this site with viral marketing for that dumb ass 2012 movie?

Also, at OP's "math" that was found online. Thank god I had just gone to the bathroom before seeing it, otherwise I think I would have pissed my pants laughing. All the drama over math, then THAT?!! lmao still!

Thanks for the lab idea though... I'll see if my class wants to build a building out of plywood and cans, then melt one of the lower cans with a blow torch. We'll use video analysis, spark timers, etc., to measure the rate of acceleration of different parts of the building.

Any specifications you'd like us to adhere to?

A truther already beat you to that model. He calls himself Spook. Once he even built a WTC model out of chicken wire, crashed a plastic model plane into it, then exclaimed it was proof that the collapse of the Twin Towers couldn't have been caused by an airplane.

If you want some chuckles, visit his website:

http://wtcmodel.blogspot.com/2008/10/v42.html

 

[JD50]

How is this thread still going? What a bunch of bullshit from the OP.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
A truther already beat you to that model. He calls himself Spook. Once he even built a WTC model out of chicken wire, crashed a plastic model plane into it, then exclaimed it was proof that the collapse of the Twin Towers couldn't have been caused by an airplane.

If you want some chuckles, visit his website:

http://wtcmodel.blogspot.com/2008/10/v42.html

It very well might have been proof to him but to me it would be evidence of a defect in the Simulation. Everyone knows that the aircraft were not completely made of plastic...

Your comment, however, is illustrative of this thread! Proof of anything is in the eye of the beholder... They are convinced by the weight of what their bias accepts as credible evidence to do the convincing.
Fair open minded people start with an idea and then produce the evidence and follow it to where it goes. Hopefully at the end of the day it is sufficient enough to sustain the hypothesis and reject any other hypotheses.
My point is, I hope: Hypothesis is not a belief structure. It is merely a proposal of an observation that hopefully will stand or fall based on Empirical nature of the Scientific Method.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Any of you every read scripture revelations why is it the city on seven hills is destroyed . I fought with this for 10 years WHY ROME. is it a bomb or a meteor . All I new at time was angle threw a stone into water and said this is how she shall be destroyed. Which I assumed was a meteor. This metaphor trouble me along time.

WHY Rome . I understand the HRCC part. but if its bombed its more than just the HRCC . It has to be something the HRCC say isn't in scripture.

*I understood the rapture is not a HRCC thing and the Bible only says in a twinkle of the eye they shall be taken up . Thats not the rapture. Its what I already told ya to do don't run don't hide be sincerly repent and invoke Gods name . In a twinkle of an eye you shall be taken up . . So I understand why some believe in the rapture In the twnkle of an EYE .

But that doesn't explain Romes destruction at all . Who actually wrote Revelations . Why would Rome allow revelations in to the big book ?

10 years it drove me crazy. than I started paying more attebtion to other parts of revelations and it came to me and than I understood Why Rome is destroyed . Its not a meteor its a nuke. But WHY ? THE RApture the HHRC taught against it . One of the few things we agree on .

So why is Rome destroyed over a none event . Because the world is fooled into believing the rapture occurs . When they go underground in secret . Men go insane and destroy rome because of the none rapture event . Remember God cuts short the time inorder to stop any from using a given date . One such as 12/23/12, It is the Watchers who are the real enemy . These are not gods. They think themselves god. But there fallen angles and they have come down to destroy us . Against GOD s will The Semerians new them well . So how old is this conspircy . Its older than you can possiably imagine . NO man could do this . Its the watchers and they been waring against us for almost 6 thousand years. That how old this conspirecy is . There waring is using men against men . Good men against bad men . Man couldn't plan this . It was done along time ago. Thats why the HRCC is ROME' Thats why jews and Moslems hate each other . Watchers . I told ya befor There seems to be differant gods in the Bible . The God Of moses who did his own killing . Than after moses . It other gods commanding men to kill men . The Watchers are not allowed to Kill men Only God sets in judgement . This also explains Mohamad and PAUL the i love you. They weren't lying . They were decieved by the watchers who can kill threw evil men only . These Men new not what they did . They were merely tools of the fallen . I know I am a windy ass . I don't exspect ya to believe me . What I do exspect is for ya to think use reason understand why were where were at . Right now . It was all done by design . For this time . . This is something you well understand very shortly . Its time for the return . Of the GOD who did create MAN . How we were created just doesn't matter . Just understand Man has in this time created Sheep and other animals . So how just doesn't matter.

 

[event8horizon]

Originally posted by: JD50
How is this thread still going? What a bunch of bullshit from the OP.

bullshit from the OP or bullshit from sunder/NIST? sounds like the OP is on to something!

Regarding the Q & A at the Tech Briefing:

My question:
"Any number of competent measurements using a variety of methods indicate the northwest corner of WTC 7 fell with an acceleration within a few percent of the acceleration of gravity. Yet your report contradicts this, claiming 40% slower than freefall based on a single data point. How can such a public, visible, easily measurable quantity be set aside?"

Dr. Shyam Sunder replies:

"Could you repeat the question?"

[the question is repeated by the moderator, leaving out the word, "competent" as well as the last sentence]

"Well...um...the...first of all gravity...um...gravity is the loading function that applies to the structure...um...at...um...applies....to every body...every...uh...on...all bodies on...ah...on...um... this particular...on this planet not just...um...uh...in ground zero...um...the...uh...the analysis shows a difference in time between a free fall time, a free fall time would be an object that has no...uh... structural components below it. And if you look at the analysis of the video it shows that the time it takes for the...17...uh...for the roof line of the video to collapse down the 17 floors that you can actually see in the video below which you can't see anything in the video is about...uh... 3.9 seconds. What the analysis shows...and...uh...the structural analysis shows, the collapse analysis shows that same time that it took for the structural model to come down from the roof line all the way for those 17 floors to disappear is...um... 5.4 seconds. It's...uh..., about one point...uh...five seconds or roughly 40% more time for that free fall to happen. And that is not at all unusual because there was structural resistance that was provided in this particular case. And you had...you had a sequence of structural failures that had to take place and everything was not instantaneous."
--------

Note that:
--He acknowledges that freefall can only occur if there is no structure under the falling section of the building.
--He acknowledges that their structural modeling predicts a fall slower than freefall.
--He acknowledges that there was structural resistance in this particular case.
--He acknowledges that there was a sequence of failures that had to take place and that this process was not instantaneous.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
Ummm, Nemesis, are you spamming this site with viral marketing for that dumb ass 2012 movie?

Also, at OP's "math" that was found online. Thank god I had just gone to the bathroom before seeing it, otherwise I think I would have pissed my pants laughing. All the drama over math, then THAT?!! lmao still!

Thanks for the lab idea though... I'll see if my class wants to build a building out of plywood and cans, then melt one of the lower cans with a blow torch. We'll use video analysis, spark timers, etc., to measure the rate of acceleration of different parts of the building.

Any specifications you'd like us to adhere to?

No I rarely watch movies . I watch 1 game of football A week thats my TV viewing . To much distraction . I feel guilty getting excited over a game . Really guility that I enjoy this Villant game . Great game for Kids for fact . But men its pushing the boundries of Right Vs. Wrong.

My Son has to drive a racecar the way I say or I won't help him . Without me its a no go.

This is another sport that pushes the boundries of right Vs wrong/ He must keep car 100% under control . No part has ever fallen off one of my cars ever I would stop if it occurred. This cann't not be allowed by me. I understand what we must do . I don't care about winning losing . I care about having a good time driving . If ya every had 700HP under your foot you would understand . Big horse power brings big responsibility . DO not injury an innocent . Like what occurred to myself . If your on the track that one thing . If your not and a part breaks for no good reason your GUILTY of personal injury . I could careless what the LAW says. injurying a spectator is wrong by GOD law. That the risk ever driver takes . Is taking that risk OK . SO far my operation is 100% clean.

 

[event8horizon]

Originally posted by: Number1
To BeauJangles, TastesLikeChicken. Jonks, ElFenix, DLeRium, Cogman, TheSkinsFan, Common Courtesy.

I just want to thank you gentleman for the great work you did in debunking those bozos.

Well done and keep it up.

to those mentioned above, do you guys agree with the following, some of the only forensic work done on wtc 7:

"One piece Dr. Astaneh-Asl saw was a charred horizontal I-beam from 7 World Trade Center, a 47-story skyscraper that collapsed from fire eight hours after the attacks. The beam, so named because its cross-section looks like a capital I, had clearly endured searing temperatures. Parts of the flat top of the I, once five-eighths of an inch thick, had vaporized.
Less clear was whether the beam had been charred after the collapse, as it lay in the pile of burning rubble, or whether it had been engulfed in the fire that led to the building's collapse, which would provide a more telling clue.

The answer lay in the beam's twisted shape. As weight pushed down, the center portion had buckled outward.

''This tells me it buckled while it was attached to the column,'' not as it fell, Dr. Astaneh-Asl said, adding, ''It had burned first, then buckled.''http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/02/science/scarred-steel-holds-clues-and-remedies.html

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: event8horizon

Originally posted by: Number1
To BeauJangles, TastesLikeChicken. Jonks, ElFenix, DLeRium, Cogman, TheSkinsFan, Common Courtesy.

I just want to thank you gentleman for the great work you did in debunking those bozos.

Well done and keep it up.

to those mentioned above, do you guys agree with the following, some of the only forensic work done on wtc 7:

"One piece Dr. Astaneh-Asl saw was a charred horizontal I-beam from 7 World Trade Center, a 47-story skyscraper that collapsed from fire eight hours after the attacks. The beam, so named because its cross-section looks like a capital I, had clearly endured searing temperatures. Parts of the flat top of the I, once five-eighths of an inch thick, had vaporized.
Less clear was whether the beam had been charred after the collapse, as it lay in the pile of burning rubble, or whether it had been engulfed in the fire that led to the building's collapse, which would provide a more telling clue.

The answer lay in the beam's twisted shape. As weight pushed down, the center portion had buckled outward.

''This tells me it buckled while it was attached to the column,'' not as it fell, Dr. Astaneh-Asl said, adding, ''It had burned first, then buckled.''http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/02/science/scarred-steel-holds-clues-and-remedies.html

Can you provide proof this beam was attached to a column in the first place? 5/8" thickness is not indicative of a large I-beam that would've been integral to the supporting structure where it would have been attached to a column. How do you know this wasn't part of the floor truss bracing or a similar member of the support structure?