What brought down WTC7

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Cogman

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Wel;l this debate on free fall at in this age group is a joke. 4th grade science book . Solve problem .

Why if you drop a feather and a penny at same time on earth does the penny fall faster?
AIR resistance. The whole argument about free fall is a laugh. Granted those floors collapsing did have resistance . But fact remains if ya dropped a ball at same time collaspe started both would have hit ground at approxamitlly the same time . Differance being resistance to air ownly . Zero resistance from supporting lower floors. NOT possiable . Show proof of other buildings doing the same . OH ya can't because 9/11 was the first time its ever happened and it happened 3 times in one day . # first in 1 day . Than the planes that crashed other places . NO proof of large plane crashes zero .
I suggest you hugh your teddy hard . Its going to get nasty .

There is no point arguing with you if you are going to completely deny reality.

I suggest that nobody else address him because honestly, what is the point of arguing with someone that will completely deny that the planes crashed into the building, despite thousands of eye witnesses and videos to the contrary.

Were did I say . Nothing hit those buildings . I watched this thing live on CNN when it occurred . Funny thing is that is the smoking gun here . That second plane came into view 7 min. before striking target . Why is that video missing in action . I have it. as do many others. I could careless if you haven't seen it . My family and friends come befor stranger danger. Your reality says we has finacial meli down . You believe it if you must.

Trueth is it was biggest hold up in history . It was the theft of the retiement funds Trillions stolen. Than covered up . With housing BS problem .

Take a look at construction in USA . Billions thrown away every year just to keep those workers working . Than look at unemployment benefits . Whos the biggest drain . Construction workers . They even have easier standards to qualify for unemployment comparredto factory workers. Not only that there work sucks . Three buildings fall . Else were in the world its never happened . So if its as you say . Than construction works suck in america. Looking at I -90 its plain to see. Than ya have the bridge collaspe in MN . This was proven to be Manslaughter . Yet none were prosecuted. . Inspectors should be hung . I did a school in Jamesville MN . I can tell ya I left that industry fast . After I seen many codes broken . I even went to inspectors who brushed me off. But now I finely get my chance to prove my claims as I have mentioned it many times . They are going to check Stairways first than lagg bolts so on and so on . I want these guys bad.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Wel;l this debate on free fall at in this age group is a joke. 4th grade science book . Solve problem .

Why if you drop a feather and a penny at same time on earth does the penny fall faster?
AIR resistance. The whole argument about free fall is a laugh. Granted those floors collapsing did have resistance . But fact remains if ya dropped a ball at same time collaspe started both would have hit ground at approxamitlly the same time . Differance being resistance to air ownly . Zero resistance from supporting lower floors. NOT possiable . Show proof of other buildings doing the same . OH ya can't because 9/11 was the first time its ever happened and it happened 3 times in one day . 3 first in 1 day . Than the planes that crashed other places . NO proof of large plane crashes zero . 2 more first in history . NO wreckage. 2 more first in History. That 5 First in the same day . All this taken place in the most protected skies in the world . NOT likely. Impossiable is what odds say . So you go ahead and place your bets against the overwhelming odds.
I suggest you hug your teddy hard . Its going to get nasty . Your bet = Your family and friends. Your willing to sacrifice them against those odds . Its the same as murder. Ignorance is NO excuse for complacency. Shame on U all. And may God have mercy on ya.

Erm, RIF - Reading IS Fundamental

None of the entire collapse sequences were at free fall speed. The discussion is about WTC7 collapsing at free fall speed during a very short period of its collapse sequence. Overall the entire collapse sequence of WTC7 was @ 40% longer than free fall speed. As far as WTC1 and WTC2, neither of them fell at free fall speed either which is easily evidenced in the videos where you can see ejected debris, which IS falling at free fall speed, falling much faster than the building collapses themselves.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Wel;l this debate on free fall at in this age group is a joke. 4th grade science book . Solve problem .

Why if you drop a feather and a penny at same time on earth does the penny fall faster?
AIR resistance. The whole argument about free fall is a laugh. Granted those floors collapsing did have resistance . But fact remains if ya dropped a ball at same time collaspe started both would have hit ground at approxamitlly the same time . Differance being resistance to air ownly . Zero resistance from supporting lower floors. NOT possiable . Show proof of other buildings doing the same . OH ya can't because 9/11 was the first time its ever happened and it happened 3 times in one day . 3 first in 1 day . Than the planes that crashed other places . NO proof of large plane crashes zero . 2 more first in history . NO wreckage. 2 more first in History. That 5 First in the same day . All this taken place in the most protected skies in the world . NOT likely. Impossiable is what odds say . So you go ahead and place your bets against the overwhelming odds.
I suggest you hug your teddy hard . Its going to get nasty . Your bet = Your family and friends. Your willing to sacrifice them against those odds . Its the same as murder. Ignorance is NO excuse for complacency. Shame on U all. And may God have mercy on ya.

Erm, RIF - Reading IS Fundamental

None of the entire collapse sequences were at free fall speed. The discussion is about WTC7 collapsing at free fall speed during a very short period of its collapse sequence. Overall the entire collapse sequence of WTC7 was @ 40% longer than free fall speed. As far as WTC1 and WTC2, neither of them fell at free fall speed either which is easily evidenced in the videos where you can see ejected debris, which IS falling at free fall speed, falling much faster than the building collapses themselves.

Science is fundamental here friend. Those Piecies Heres what ya said .

As far as WTC1 and WTC2, neither of them fell at free fall speed either which is easily evidenced in the videos where you can see ejected debris the bolded part . The word ejected . An object in motion stays in motion unless another force stops it.
As you said the ejected . That means those parts were already in motion acted upon by a force other than gravity there volicty was already faster than free fall or gravity . Going to debate load your gun . Blanks won't cut it.

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1


Wel;l this debate on free fall at in this age group is a joke. 4th grade science book . Solve problem .

Why if you drop a feather and a penny at same time on earth does the penny fall faster?
AIR resistance. The whole argument about free fall is a laugh. Granted those floors collapsing did have resistance . But fact remains if ya dropped a ball at same time collaspe started both would have hit ground at approxamitlly the same time . Differance being resistance to air ownly . Zero resistance from supporting lower floors. NOT possiable . Show proof of other buildings doing the same . OH ya can't because 9/11 was the first time its ever happened and it happened 3 times in one day . 3 first in 1 day . Than the planes that crashed other places . NO proof of large plane crashes zero . 2 more first in history . NO wreckage. 2 more first in History. That 5 First in the same day . All this taken place in the most protected skies in the world . NOT likely. Impossiable is what odds say . So you go ahead and place your bets against the overwhelming odds.
I suggest you hug your teddy hard . Its going to get nasty . Your bet = Your family and friends. Your willing to sacrifice them against those odds . Its the same as murder. Ignorance is NO excuse for complacency. Shame on U all. And may God have mercy on ya.

Another comment filled with ridiculous spelling mistakes.
But seriously, why do you say there were no other large plane crashs. Plenty of pictures at the Pentagon show airplane debris.
Many victims in fligh 93 were identified using DNA. How is that possible if there was no plane? How about the recovered flight recorder at the flight 93 crash site?

Beside, all your arguments have been debunked in this thread repeatedly.

I think you have conclusively demonstrated a lack of common sense and intellectual competence regarding this subject.

 

[LunarRay]

I understand the term 'Empirical Evidence' to be what Science or more specifically, The Scientific Method demands. I take this term 'Empirical' to mean evidence garnered using the senses.

That above term seems to be quite broad. However true that might be or false it seems to me that experiments that are repeatable fall into that category. The findings of tests seem to be, therefore, evidence. These findings may not be conclusive proof of a hypothesis or enable the rejection or non rejection of a null hypothesis but they are evidence!
For people to argue that the results of a test or tests proves nothing might be right in that it may not PROVE something but it can't be rejected because it don't.

Scientists tested soil and found that it contained substances [evidence] that they identified using generally accepted techniques. This evidence may be interpreted such that more than one cause can reasonably be deduced. That it can provide for alternate interpretations, if it does, does not obviate it from being considered evidence.

Credible eye balls indicate they saw Molten substance(s) running in streams as well as pools of molten substance(s) in the vicinity of WTC. Credible Scientists determined using generally accepted techniques that steel from the WTC destruction had melted. That seems to me to be evidence. Evidence that at some point in time the heat necessary to melt steel was present proximate to the steel they tested.

Video of the collapse of three WTC buildings is evidence that they did fall as well as evidence that they fell in the manner depicted in the videos. That is the evidence that should be the control for all deductive reasoning related to the collapses. It makes no sense to produce a conclusion that does not mirror the video of the collapses. IF there are alternate conclusions then that is what we have.

Rejecting any evidence which does not support a particular hypothesis is not scientific. A calculation using generally accepted Scientific Formula produces evidence. In the three WTC building collapses video indicates symmetrical collapse. Pancaking in the Towers and more than one kind of collapse possible in WTC 7. In these collapses we can apply various formula to produce evidence of the various dynamics that could have resulted in what the video depicts. The testing [applying a formula] of one aspect does not produce evidence of an untested aspect. The evidence that pancaking of the floor area can occur does not mean that the central core of the Towers in this case also pancaked. That requires testing of that aspect.

I think we should produce evidence. I think we should create buckets [hypothesis] and put what evidence we develop into the various buckets and each time evidence invalidates a bucket we put that bucket to the side and continue on until we have exhausted all the available evidence and see what the remaining buckets reveal.

Remember, the Government AND the 'Truthers' both have a Conspiracy Theory! The only difference is in who the players are! The evidence of the who in these two scenarios is not easy to test using a Scientific Method. It may be that the 'hard' scientific evidence may point to one or another Conspiracy or to both. In analyzing this aspect we need to also develop hypothesis and fill the buckets.

Me thinks, anyhow.

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Were did I say . Nothing hit those buildings . I watched this thing live on CNN when it occurred . Funny thing is that is the smoking gun here . That second plane came into view 7 min. before striking target . Why is that video missing in action . I have it. as do many others. I could careless if you haven't seen it . My family and friends come befor stranger danger. Your reality says we has finacial meli down . You believe it if you must.

Trueth is it was biggest hold up in history . It was the theft of the retiement funds Trillions stolen. Than covered up . With housing BS problem .

Take a look at construction in USA . Billions thrown away every year just to keep those workers working . Than look at unemployment benefits . Whos the biggest drain . Construction workers . They even have easier standards to qualify for unemployment comparredto factory workers. Not only that there work sucks . Three buildings fall . Else were in the world its never happened . So if its as you say . Than construction works suck in america. Looking at I -90 its plain to see. Than ya have the bridge collaspe in MN . This was proven to be Manslaughter . Yet none were prosecuted. . Inspectors should be hung . I did a school in Jamesville MN . I can tell ya I left that industry fast . After I seen many codes broken . I even went to inspectors who brushed me off. But now I finely get my chance to prove my claims as I have mentioned it many times . They are going to check Stairways first than lagg bolts so on and so on . I want these guys bad.

Quoted for posterity.

Analisys:

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Does not know the difference between there and their -----Check
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Wilde unsubstantiated claims---------------------------------Check



There you have it, a typical twuther post.

And he wonders why inspectors brushed him off. LOL

LOL

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

Originally posted by: Cogman

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Wel;l this debate on free fall at in this age group is a joke. 4th grade science book . Solve problem .

Why if you drop a feather and a penny at same time on earth does the penny fall faster?
AIR resistance. The whole argument about free fall is a laugh. Granted those floors collapsing did have resistance . But fact remains if ya dropped a ball at same time collaspe started both would have hit ground at approxamitlly the same time . Differance being resistance to air ownly . Zero resistance from supporting lower floors. NOT possiable . Show proof of other buildings doing the same . OH ya can't because 9/11 was the first time its ever happened and it happened 3 times in one day . # first in 1 day . Than the planes that crashed other places . NO proof of large plane crashes zero .
I suggest you hugh your teddy hard . Its going to get nasty .

There is no point arguing with you if you are going to completely deny reality.

I suggest that nobody else address him because honestly, what is the point of arguing with someone that will completely deny that the planes crashed into the building, despite thousands of eye witnesses and videos to the contrary.

You're dealing with a guy who believes that "Al Qa'ida" translates to "the database," and that it was created in the bowels of the CIA to drive us all toward the end-times, that those times are now upon us, and that we all need to arm ourselves and prepare for Armageddon.

I just wanted to put it in perspective for ya... the guy is one seriously (un?)medicated whackjob. At one point, I think he even admitted here to growing up or living in a halfway house. For all I know, he could be posting here from a laptop in his tent across the street from the White House.

event8horizon and kylebisme are the same way. Approach with caution.

Here is an example of pure BS. The recently found semerian tablets. This is so funny.

I went to a Catholic school and we were taught all about the semerians . Fact is we knew back in the 50,s that which is just now being excepted as fact . LOL ! You guys got screwed in public schools bigtime . We at least knew the Church was bias at the time as no public school books had this info . Problem is they taught us so much we seen the lies . Hence the HRCC was correct in its early history to keep reading for upper class only or put to death . It was my generation that proved there murdering ways were correct for keeping people in the dark. My generation brought down the power of the unholy church.

150 years ago if I wrote this publicly I would be in a vatcant prison or put to death fact.

So ypu go ahead and believe the lies . We were taught part of trueth long ago . You guys never even got a glimps of trueth. Math is only thing that doesn't lie .

Also if ya read the samerian tablets you will find out 5 citie states were started and built . I can name them can you . Problem is 4 of these city states according to your history all were built in differant Time periods not true. All were built at exact same time . How lonf ago did Christ die? Find this ans. and proof of it and you shall know all you know are lies.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Cogman
...So long as each support failed or was near failing before the falling portion hit it, it would appeared to free fall.

It is the supports of the structure below which allowed the upper portion to stay in place as long as it did, that upper portion being attached to the structure below, and had that structure below not been there gravity would have made that upper portion fall. So there is no "hit" between one portion and the another in the scenario of the official story, as the whole structure is already in contact with each other. To get that upper portion to impact with the lower portion, one would have to either lift the upper portion into the air, or remove some section of the structure below it.

Agreed?

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1


Wel;l this debate on free fall at in this age group is a joke. 4th grade science book . Solve problem .

Why if you drop a feather and a penny at same time on earth does the penny fall faster?
AIR resistance. The whole argument about free fall is a laugh. Granted those floors collapsing did have resistance . But fact remains if ya dropped a ball at same time collaspe started both would have hit ground at approxamitlly the same time . Differance being resistance to air ownly . Zero resistance from supporting lower floors. NOT possiable . Show proof of other buildings doing the same . OH ya can't because 9/11 was the first time its ever happened and it happened 3 times in one day . 3 first in 1 day . Than the planes that crashed other places . NO proof of large plane crashes zero . 2 more first in history . NO wreckage. 2 more first in History. That 5 First in the same day . All this taken place in the most protected skies in the world . NOT likely. Impossiable is what odds say . So you go ahead and place your bets against the overwhelming odds.
I suggest you hug your teddy hard . Its going to get nasty . Your bet = Your family and friends. Your willing to sacrifice them against those odds . Its the same as murder. Ignorance is NO excuse for complacency. Shame on U all. And may God have mercy on ya.

Another comment filled with ridiculous spelling mistakes.
But seriously, why do you say there were no other large plane crashs. Plenty of pictures at the Pentagon show airplane debris.
Many victims in fligh 93 were identified using DNA. How is that possible if there was no plane? How about the recovered flight recorder at the flight 93 crash site?

Beside, all your arguments have been debunked in this thread repeatedly.

I think you have conclusively demonstrated a lack of common sense and intellectual competence regarding this subject.

Get pics showing 747 debris really I want to see it . I have pics of it befor all the people were there . very little debris. and the hole in building way to small . why didn't windows break from wing span ? I may suffer in logic . But u have zero logic.

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Here is an example of pure BS. The recently found semerian tablets. This is so funny.

I went to a Catholic school and we were taught all about the semerians . Fact is we knew back in the 50,s that which is just now being excepted as fact . LOL ! You guys got screwed in public schools bigtime . We at least knew the Church was bias at the time as no public school books had this info . Problem is they taught us so much we seen the lies . Hence the HRCC was correct in its early history to keep reading for upper class only or put to death . It was my generation that proved there murdering ways were correct for keeping people in the dark. My generation brought down the power of the unholy church.

150 years ago if I wrote this publicly I would be in a vatcant prison or put to death fact.

So ypu go ahead and believe the lies . We were taught part of trueth long ago . You guys never even got a glimps of trueth. Math is only thing that doesn't lie .

Also if ya read the samerian tablets you will find out 5 citie states were started and built . I can name them can you . Problem is 4 of these city states according to your history all were built in differant Time periods not true. All were built at exact same time . How lonf ago did Christ die? Find this ans. and proof of it and you shall know all you know are lies.

Quoted for posterity. This is seriously retarded thinking here.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Number1

Another comment filled with ridiculous spelling mistakes.
But seriously, why do you say there were no other large plane crashs. Plenty of pictures at the Pentagon show airplane debris.
Many victims in fligh 93 were identified using DNA. How is that possible if there was no plane? How about the recovered flight recorder at the flight 93 crash site?

Beside, all your arguments have been debunked in this thread repeatedly.

I think you have conclusively demonstrated a lack of common sense and intellectual competence regarding this subject.

The Hypothesis: Flight 77 with X passengers and crew was taken over by Terrorists and proceeded to crash into the Pentagon.

Evidence in favor of hypothesis: The aircraft has not been found. None of the passengers have been found alive. Before the alleged impact there were no aircraft bits located in the impact zone [eye witness testimony] After the impact [video of some kind of impact exists] Aircraft bits, body parts [later Identified to belong to passengers who are though to have boarded flight 77] visual destruction of where the alleged impact occurred. Eye ball evidence of an aircraft proceeding to the Pentagon both on radar and by another aircraft in the area and more.

Is there evidence that invalidates that hypothesis? Cell phone conversations alleged to not have occurred? The size of the Terrorists? Any thing else?
Edit: the alleged inability for the pilot terrorist to do as alleged.

Is there an altenative hypothesis? maybe one where the plane was piloted by an android or some such thingi or the terrorists colluded with the government agency [?] and was allowed to hit the pentagon so the terrorists could garner some virgins?

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Get pics showing 747 debris really I want to see it . I have pics of it befor all the people were there . very little debris. and the hole in building way to small . why didn't windows break from wing span ? I may suffer in logic . But u have zero logic.

http://www.purdue.edu/UNS/html...10.Sozen.Pentagon.html

http://channel.nationalgeograp.../conspiracy-vs-science

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: kylebisme
It was around 66% of New Yorkers calling for new probe according to a Zogby poll back in 2004, and I've seen no evidence to suggest the numbers have dropped since then.

http://www.rasmussenreports.co..._11_attacks_in_advance

Um, really, no evidence?

I've seen no evidence. That you'd even suggest a poll you might present would prove my statement wrong demonstrates that you are operating under the wrong assumption that I am all seeing. That said, the poll results you did provide does not address the question of how many New Yorkers want a new probe into 9/11, so I've still yet to see any evidence to suggest the numbers have dropped from the around 66% figure derived by Zogby in 2004 which I presented above.

 

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Cogman
...So long as each support failed or was near failing before the falling portion hit it, it would appeared to free fall.

It is the supports of the structure below which allowed the upper portion to stay in place as long as it did, that upper portion being attached to the structure below, and had that structure below not been there gravity would have made that upper portion fall. So there is no "hit" between one portion and the another in the scenario of the official story, as the whole structure is already in contact with each other. To get that upper portion to impact with the lower portion, one would have to either lift the upper portion into the air, or remove some section of the structure below it.

Agreed?

Does a portion of a building fall when a support fails? Yes? Then that is how the upper portion hit the lower portion.

Does fire weaken steal? Yes? Then that is how the support was weakened.

There is a BIG difference between dynamic situations (a building falling) and static situations (a building in a normal standing position). The same supports that hold the upper portion of the building up will fail if that same upper portion falls on them. (That has been demonstrated already in this thread.)

You don't need to lift anything into the air, all that has to happen is the support beams have to fail. That's it. Ones the support beams fail the building will start falling. What does a support column matter if everything it is holding up falls around it?

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Were did I say . Nothing hit those buildings . I watched this thing live on CNN when it occurred . Funny thing is that is the smoking gun here . That second plane came into view 7 min. before striking target . Why is that video missing in action . I have it. as do many others. I could careless if you haven't seen it . My family and friends come befor stranger danger. Your reality says we has finacial meli down . You believe it if you must.

Trueth is it was biggest hold up in history . It was the theft of the retiement funds Trillions stolen. Than covered up . With housing BS problem .

Take a look at construction in USA . Billions thrown away every year just to keep those workers working . Than look at unemployment benefits . Whos the biggest drain . Construction workers . They even have easier standards to qualify for unemployment comparredto factory workers. Not only that there work sucks . Three buildings fall . Else were in the world its never happened . So if its as you say . Than construction works suck in america. Looking at I -90 its plain to see. Than ya have the bridge collaspe in MN . This was proven to be Manslaughter . Yet none were prosecuted. . Inspectors should be hung . I did a school in Jamesville MN . I can tell ya I left that industry fast . After I seen many codes broken . I even went to inspectors who brushed me off. But now I finely get my chance to prove my claims as I have mentioned it many times . They are going to check Stairways first than lagg bolts so on and so on . I want these guys bad.

Quoted for posterity.

Analisys:

Ridiculous spelling mistakes----------------------------------Check.
Does not know the difference between there and their -----Check
No use of punctuation-----------------------------------------Check
Wilde unsubstantiated claims---------------------------------Check



There you have it, a typical twuther post.

And he wonders why inspectors brushed him off. LOL

LOL

Your an ass. First off when talking to inspectors NO spelling.and lots of 4 letter words .

Second there and their . THere ya go its over there but its theirs. Just to purt people down ya attack a weakness . I am old man who sick . But if ya stood in front of me this old sick man could rip ya a new asshole . You need the government laws to protect ya . Without them you get stepped on hard.

 

[LunarRay]

edit... mt

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1


Wel;l this debate on free fall at in this age group is a joke. 4th grade science book . Solve problem .

Why if you drop a feather and a penny at same time on earth does the penny fall faster?
AIR resistance. The whole argument about free fall is a laugh. Granted those floors collapsing did have resistance . But fact remains if ya dropped a ball at same time collaspe started both would have hit ground at approxamitlly the same time . Differance being resistance to air ownly . Zero resistance from supporting lower floors. NOT possiable . Show proof of other buildings doing the same . OH ya can't because 9/11 was the first time its ever happened and it happened 3 times in one day . 3 first in 1 day . Than the planes that crashed other places . NO proof of large plane crashes zero . 2 more first in history . NO wreckage. 2 more first in History. That 5 First in the same day . All this taken place in the most protected skies in the world . NOT likely. Impossiable is what odds say . So you go ahead and place your bets against the overwhelming odds.
I suggest you hug your teddy hard . Its going to get nasty . Your bet = Your family and friends. Your willing to sacrifice them against those odds . Its the same as murder. Ignorance is NO excuse for complacency. Shame on U all. And may God have mercy on ya.

Another comment filled with ridiculous spelling mistakes.
But seriously, why do you say there were no other large plane crashs. Plenty of pictures at the Pentagon show airplane debris.
Many victims in fligh 93 were identified using DNA. How is that possible if there was no plane? How about the recovered flight recorder at the flight 93 crash site?

Beside, all your arguments have been debunked in this thread repeatedly.

I think you have conclusively demonstrated a lack of common sense and intellectual competence regarding this subject.

Get pics showing 747 debris really I want to see it . I have pics of it befor all the people were there . very little debris. and the hole in building way to small . why didn't windows break from wing span ? I may suffer in logic . But u have zero logic.

Behind the guys running
Engine Debris
More
Two pieces of fuselage debris
FBI carrying debris away

Where the debris came from

Here's the full report. I know you won't read it, but whatever.
http://fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/build03/PDF/b03017.pdf

As for you contention about broken windows, I encourage to actually look at photos of the crash. Page 15 and 16 of the report has photos. Those windows seem pretty fucked up.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Here is an example of pure BS. The recently found semerian tablets. This is so funny.

I went to a Catholic school and we were taught all about the semerians . Fact is we knew back in the 50,s that which is just now being excepted as fact . LOL ! You guys got screwed in public schools bigtime . We at least knew the Church was bias at the time as no public school books had this info . Problem is they taught us so much we seen the lies . Hence the HRCC was correct in its early history to keep reading for upper class only or put to death . It was my generation that proved there murdering ways were correct for keeping people in the dark. My generation brought down the power of the unholy church.

150 years ago if I wrote this publicly I would be in a vatcant prison or put to death fact.

So ypu go ahead and believe the lies . We were taught part of trueth long ago . You guys never even got a glimps of trueth. Math is only thing that doesn't lie .

Also if ya read the samerian tablets you will find out 5 citie states were started and built . I can name them can you . Problem is 4 of these city states according to your history all were built in differant Time periods not true. All were built at exact same time . How lonf ago did Christ die? Find this ans. and proof of it and you shall know all you know are lies.

Quoted for posterity. This is seriously retarded thinking here.

Just i stupid comment with nothing to back it up . Many millions were taught the same as I . Whos the retard.?

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1


Wel;l this debate on free fall at in this age group is a joke. 4th grade science book . Solve problem .

Why if you drop a feather and a penny at same time on earth does the penny fall faster?
AIR resistance. The whole argument about free fall is a laugh. Granted those floors collapsing did have resistance . But fact remains if ya dropped a ball at same time collaspe started both would have hit ground at approxamitlly the same time . Differance being resistance to air ownly . Zero resistance from supporting lower floors. NOT possiable . Show proof of other buildings doing the same . OH ya can't because 9/11 was the first time its ever happened and it happened 3 times in one day . 3 first in 1 day . Than the planes that crashed other places . NO proof of large plane crashes zero . 2 more first in history . NO wreckage. 2 more first in History. That 5 First in the same day . All this taken place in the most protected skies in the world . NOT likely. Impossiable is what odds say . So you go ahead and place your bets against the overwhelming odds.
I suggest you hug your teddy hard . Its going to get nasty . Your bet = Your family and friends. Your willing to sacrifice them against those odds . Its the same as murder. Ignorance is NO excuse for complacency. Shame on U all. And may God have mercy on ya.

Another comment filled with ridiculous spelling mistakes.
But seriously, why do you say there were no other large plane crashs. Plenty of pictures at the Pentagon show airplane debris.
Many victims in fligh 93 were identified using DNA. How is that possible if there was no plane? How about the recovered flight recorder at the flight 93 crash site?

Beside, all your arguments have been debunked in this thread repeatedly.

I think you have conclusively demonstrated a lack of common sense and intellectual competence regarding this subject.

Get pics showing 747 debris really I want to see it . I have pics of it befor all the people were there . very little debris. and the hole in building way to small . why didn't windows break from wing span ? I may suffer in logic . But u have zero logic.

Behind the guys running
Engine Debris
More
Two pieces of fuselage debris
FBI carrying debris away

Where the debris came from

Here's the full report. I know you won't read it, but whatever.
http://fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/build03/PDF/b03017.pdf

As for you contention about broken windows, I encourage to actually look at photos of the crash. Page 15 and 16 of the report has photos. Those windows seem pretty fucked up.

Lol The engine pic is of wrong engine for the plane.

Lol behind the guys running . I clearly said pics befor people arrived on scene I have them and they are available . Salting a mine is illeagal lol.

Picies of fuselage debris . Did ya even look at size of that hole . LOL a 747 went threw there if Ya believe that . I have some land for sale ya interested.

Your last link lol Clearly I said pics befor the FBI arrived those pics are available try getting those.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Cogman
Does a portion of a building fall when a support fails? Yes?

Assuming the other supports can't hold the added weight, yes the strcture falls. But please note the "when" in your statement; that upper potion falls while that support fails, not after. Agreed?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Get pics showing 747 debris really I want to see it . I have pics of it befor all the people were there . very little debris. and the hole in building way to small . why didn't windows break from wing span ? I may suffer in logic . But u have zero logic.

there aren't any and you damn well know it

Originally posted by: kylebisme
Yeah, and note that when ElFenix (and NIST) say "the upper section started falling slowly", they are only referring to the bowing towards the middle of the roofline, while the corners go pretty much straight from standing still to free all. In the Wile E. Coyote comparison, that is basicly like him wagging his feet in the air for a moment before he falls.

when has anyone ever stated anything that could be construed as wile e coyote hanging in the air after running off the cliff?

 

[Nemesis 1]

http://www.911myths.com/assets...entagon_Debris_151.jpg

I love this pic . Look at no parking sign. It put into perspective the size of hole . Also note no markings for were wings hit building sides. Hows that ? Also since ya post engine pics.

Get a bigger pic showing more area . I would simply point out those engines are wing mounted. Were did it hit building . Your scarred little boy . You should be . But to put faith in USA government is just retarded. These people are mere puppets . And that hole was not made by a plane.

Also lets see debris from other ground crash . Ya know the one with the American heros onboard. LOL! Were the debris . LOL

 

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Cogman
Does a portion of a building fall when a support fails? Yes?

Assuming the other supports can't hold the added weight, yes the strcture falls. But please note the "when" in your statement; that upper potion falls while that support fails, not after. Agreed?

How much leeway do you think a support has? If it has become brittle enough to fail, then when is completely accurate. While it is failing, the support barely moves, but when it fails, it fails. supports don't just slowly droop down because they are sad.

Let me put it this way, by the time the upper portion hits the lower portion, the support has indeed failed, it is not failing, it has failed.

Is this seriously how proofs work in your world? Lets pick out 1 word that is semi-ambiguous and then make an entire argument over it.

 

[Nemesis 1]

As for you contention about broken windows, I encourage to actually look at photos of the crash. Page 15 and 16 of the report has photos. Those windows seem pretty fucked up.

LOL get pics befor all the people arrived all windows are intact. Were are the wing marks on building?

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Lol The engine pic is of wrong engine for the plane.

Wrong engine? How do you know that?
Rolls Royce engines are used in 747s

Lol behind the guys running . I clearly said pics befor people arrived on scene I have them and they are available . Salting a mine is illeagal lol.

You want pictures of the crash site before anyone got there? What?

Picies of fuselage debris . Did ya even look at size of that hole . LOL a 747 went threw there if Ya believe that . I have some land for sale ya interested.

So you "lol" away photo evidence because you want pictures of a smoking, smoldering crash site before the evil FBI arrived with its fake evidence and planted it everywhere?

Okay, if the FBI planted the evidence, how did the NIST, an independent department, conclude that only a plane could have caused the damage seen in the pictures? They were in on it too I guess? So your conspiracy now includes the entire NIST research team, a significant number of FBI agents, whoever blew up or launched a missile at the Pentagon, and whoever ordered this to happen? Also, if a plane never hit the Pentagon, what happened to it? Where are the passengers?

I'd encourage you to read the report. The NIST places the approximate width of the hole created by impact between 75 - 80 feet wide before the plane collapsed and that cone of extreme damage extending nearly 280 feet into the building. The engines of a 747 are less than 45 feet apart. Not to mention that several eye-witness accounts state that plane clipped a construction vehicle and several light poles. The NIST believes that no portion of the wings entered the building, primarily because the right wing hit a reinforced slab of concrete on the 2nd floor of the building. The wings may have been clipped by the planes previous impacts before hitting the building.

Regardless of the details, is it really surprising that the wings didn't penetrate a building that had been reinforced? Remember, the plane hit the building at nearly 800 feet / second and, while plane wings are certainly resistant to breaking, they are primarily designed to resist snapping due to the vertical variations in motion associated with flight, not the horizontal force of a building. To put it more simply, would we seriously be surprised to find out that a car hitting a concrete wall at 70 mph doesn't leave a perfect outline of itself?

The NIST report puts the hole, prior to collapse, at a width much wider than the general mass of the plane itself. This hole is amply wide to accommodate the two engines.