What brought down WTC7

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
As for you contention about broken windows, I encourage to actually look at photos of the crash. Page 15 and 16 of the report has photos. Those windows seem pretty fucked up.

LOL get pics befor all the people arrived all windows are intact. Were are the wing marks on building?

Page 20. Figure 5.11. The wing struck the vertical concrete supports. Again, it is unclear whether the entire wing struck the building or if it was clipped prior to impact. What is clear is that, due to the force of the impact, the tips of the wings were unlikely to have ever hit the building, hence why there is minimal damage starting about 70 ft from the center of the impact site.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
http://www.911myths.com/assets...entagon_Debris_151.jpg

I love this pic . Look at no parking sign. It put into perspective the size of hole . Also note no markings for were wings hit building sides. Hows that ? Also since ya post engine pics.

Get a bigger pic showing more area . I would simply point out those engines are wing mounted. Were did it hit building . Your scarred little boy . You should be . But to put faith in USA government is just retarded. These people are mere puppets . And that hole was not made by a plane.

Also lets see debris from other ground crash . Ya know the one with the American heros onboard. LOL! Were the debris . LOL

That wall was 310 feet from where the plane entered the building.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
http://www.911myths.com/assets...entagon_Debris_151.jpg

I love this pic . Look at no parking sign. It put into perspective the size of hole . Also note no markings for were wings hit building sides. Hows that ? Also since ya post engine pics.

Get a bigger pic showing more area . I would simply point out those engines are wing mounted. Were did it hit building . Your scarred little boy . You should be . But to put faith in USA government is just retarded. These people are mere puppets . And that hole was not made by a plane.

Also lets see debris from other ground crash . Ya know the one with the American heros onboard. LOL! Were the debris . LOL

do you see any windows in that photo?

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Actually I do have the pics . But later for now this will do. Whos lieing ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lci_eKWgcos

i'd love to see your pics showing that there were 747 pieces at the pentagon.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Get pics showing 747 debris really I want to see it . I have pics of it befor all the people were there . very little debris. and the hole in building way to small . why didn't windows break from wing span ? I may suffer in logic . But u have zero logic.

there aren't any and you damn well know it

Originally posted by: kylebisme
Yeah, and note that when ElFenix (and NIST) say "the upper section started falling slowly", they are only referring to the bowing towards the middle of the roofline, while the corners go pretty much straight from standing still to free all. In the Wile E. Coyote comparison, that is basicly like him wagging his feet in the air for a moment before he falls.

when has anyone ever stated anything that could be construed as wile e coyote hanging in the air after running off the cliff?

Actually I do have the pics . But later for now this will do. Whos lieing ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lci_eKWgcos

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Lol The engine pic is of wrong engine for the plane.

Wrong engine? How do you know that?
Rolls Royce engines are used in 747s

Lol behind the guys running . I clearly said pics befor people arrived on scene I have them and they are available . Salting a mine is illeagal lol.

You want pictures of the crash site before anyone got there? What?

Picies of fuselage debris . Did ya even look at size of that hole . LOL a 747 went threw there if Ya believe that . I have some land for sale ya interested.

So you "lol" away photo evidence because you want pictures of a smoking, smoldering crash site before the evil FBI arrived with its fake evidence and planted it everywhere?

Okay, if the FBI planted the evidence, how did the NIST, an independent department, conclude that only a plane could have caused the damage seen in the pictures? They were in on it too I guess? So your conspiracy now includes the entire NIST research team, a significant number of FBI agents, whoever blew up or launched a missile at the Pentagon, and whoever ordered this to happen? Also, if a plane never hit the Pentagon, what happened to it? Where are the passengers?

I'd encourage you to read the report. The NIST places the approximate width of the hole created by impact between 75 - 80 feet wide before the plane collapsed and that cone of extreme damage extending nearly 280 feet into the building. The engines of a 747 are less than 45 feet apart. Not to mention that several eye-witness accounts state that plane clipped a construction vehicle and several light poles. The NIST believes that no portion of the wings entered the building, primarily because the right wing hit a reinforced slab of concrete on the 2nd floor of the building. The wings may have been clipped by the planes previous impacts before hitting the building.

Regardless of the details, is it really surprising that the wings didn't penetrate a building that had been reinforced? Remember, the plane hit the building at nearly 800 feet / second and, while plane wings are certainly resistant to breaking, they are primarily designed to resist snapping due to the vertical variations in motion associated with flight, not the horizontal force of a building. To put it more simply, would we seriously be surprised to find out that a car hitting a concrete wall at 70 mph doesn't leave a perfect outline of itself?

The NIST report puts the hole, prior to collapse, at a width much wider than the general mass of the plane itself. This hole is amply wide to accommodate the two engines.

I will post pics when time is correct . On the engine. In pic of link . Ya see that turbine Ring the large round piece . Wrong part for the engine used.

 

[BeauJangles]

Sorry, typo of epic proportions.


757, not 747

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Wel;l this debate on free fall at in this age group is a joke. 4th grade science book . Solve problem .

Why if you drop a feather and a penny at same time on earth does the penny fall faster?
AIR resistance. The whole argument about free fall is a laugh. Granted those floors collapsing did have resistance . But fact remains if ya dropped a ball at same time collaspe started both would have hit ground at approxamitlly the same time . Differance being resistance to air ownly . Zero resistance from supporting lower floors. NOT possiable . Show proof of other buildings doing the same . OH ya can't because 9/11 was the first time its ever happened and it happened 3 times in one day . 3 first in 1 day . Than the planes that crashed other places . NO proof of large plane crashes zero . 2 more first in history . NO wreckage. 2 more first in History. That 5 First in the same day . All this taken place in the most protected skies in the world . NOT likely. Impossiable is what odds say . So you go ahead and place your bets against the overwhelming odds.
I suggest you hug your teddy hard . Its going to get nasty . Your bet = Your family and friends. Your willing to sacrifice them against those odds . Its the same as murder. Ignorance is NO excuse for complacency. Shame on U all. And may God have mercy on ya.

Erm, RIF - Reading IS Fundamental

None of the entire collapse sequences were at free fall speed. The discussion is about WTC7 collapsing at free fall speed during a very short period of its collapse sequence. Overall the entire collapse sequence of WTC7 was @ 40% longer than free fall speed. As far as WTC1 and WTC2, neither of them fell at free fall speed either which is easily evidenced in the videos where you can see ejected debris, which IS falling at free fall speed, falling much faster than the building collapses themselves.

Science is fundamental here friend. Those Piecies Heres what ya said .

As far as WTC1 and WTC2, neither of them fell at free fall speed either which is easily evidenced in the videos where you can see ejected debris the bolded part . The word ejected . An object in motion stays in motion unless another force stops it.
As you said the ejected . That means those parts were already in motion acted upon by a force other than gravity there volicty was already faster than free fall or gravity . Going to debate load your gun . Blanks won't cut it.

Yeah, science is fundamental and apparently you don't quite grasp those fundamentals, though possibly a portion of it may apply to you - mental.

Your statement only applies to any pieces accelerated beyond the speed of gravity in a downward direction. However, a perusal of the collapse videos shows debris that is ejected horizontally (sideways) and even above the horizontal plane and those pieces still fall faster than the towers. In fact, those pieces have motion imparted to them to move for a time in another direction before they begin gravitational free fall, which demonstrates that even those pieces actually took longer than free fall from the moment of collapse, which indicates that the towers fell far slower than free fall speed.

Before you start quoting any physics again you should comprehend it first and understand what you are saying. But you wouldn't be the first truther in here to cause Newton to roll over in his grave.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: BeauJangles
The NIST report puts the hole, prior to collapse, at a width much wider than the general mass of the plane itself. This hole is amply wide to accommodate the two engines.

I will post pics when time is correct . On the engine. In pic of link . Ya see that turbine Ring the large round piece . Wrong part for the engine used.

Damnit, I told Moshe about that. Jews make shitty aeronautical mechanics. Foiled again!

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Number1
But seriously, why do you say there were no other large plane crashs. Plenty of pictures at the Pentagon show airplane debris.
Many victims in fligh 93 were identified using DNA. How is that possible if there was no plane? How about the recovered flight recorder at the flight 93 crash site?

Beside, all your arguments have been debunked in this thread repeatedly.

I think you have conclusively demonstrated a lack of common sense and intellectual competence regarding this subject.

The problem is that the pictures from the pentagon don't show enough debris that would resemble an actual plane crashing there. There were no large sections of engines, or tail piece, or wing sections. Of course you already knew that, right? The official story claims it was just vaporized in the heat.

Now, the pseudoskeptics have been hammering away how jet fuel burns at only about 1000C, not hot enough to melt steel. The engines of the airplane were made from titanium alloys, which would require at least 1600C to melt... and even greater temps to vaporize. So how is it that those components just happened to melt?

The flip side is IF by some magic circumstance most of the plane just vaporized, then how were the authorities able to identify the victims by DNA, which supposedly did not vaporize?

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Cogman
How much leeway do you think a support has? If it has become brittle enough to fail, then when is completely accurate.

I am saying "when" is accurate, "after" wouldn't be. So, you won't have the support coming down first and that which it is supporting after, which would be required for the two to collide. Rather, the two are already touching each other, so you will have the support and what it is supporting coming down together.

For example sake, you could arrange some cubes of Jello on a baking sheet, set a brick they are at least strong enough to hold on top of them, and then put that all in the oven to melt the Jello. The brick doesn't hit the jello because it's already resting on it, rather the brick comes dropping down with the Jello as it melts. Agreed?

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

Originally posted by: Cogman
There is no point arguing with you if you are going to completely deny reality.

I suggest that nobody else address him because honestly, what is the point of arguing with someone that will completely deny that the planes crashed into the building, despite thousands of eye witnesses and videos to the contrary.

You're dealing with a guy who believes that "Al Qa'ida" translates to "the database," and that it was created in the bowels of the CIA to drive us all toward the end-times, that those times are now upon us, and that we all need to arm ourselves and prepare for Armageddon.

I just wanted to put it in perspective for ya... the guy is one seriously (un?)medicated whackjob. At one point, I think he even admitted here to growing up or living in a halfway house. For all I know, he could be posting here from a laptop in his tent across the street from the White House.

event8horizon and kylebisme are the same way. Approach with caution.

Here is an example of pure BS. The recently found semerian tablets. This is so funny.

I went to a Catholic school and we were taught all about the semerians . Fact is we knew back in the 50,s that which is just now being excepted as fact . LOL ! You guys got screwed in public schools bigtime . We at least knew the Church was bias at the time as no public school books had this info . Problem is they taught us so much we seen the lies . Hence the HRCC was correct in its early history to keep reading for upper class only or put to death . It was my generation that proved there murdering ways were correct for keeping people in the dark. My generation brought down the power of the unholy church.

150 years ago if I wrote this publicly I would be in a vatcant prison or put to death fact.

So ypu go ahead and believe the lies . We were taught part of trueth long ago . You guys never even got a glimps of trueth. Math is only thing that doesn't lie .

Also if ya read the samerian tablets you will find out 5 citie states were started and built . I can name them can you . Problem is 4 of these city states according to your history all were built in differant Time periods not true. All were built at exact same time . How lonf ago did Christ die? Find this ans. and proof of it and you shall know all you know are lies.

umm... I rest my case?

:laugh:

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

I will post pics when time is correct . On the engine. In pic of link . Ya see that turbine Ring the large round piece . Wrong part for the engine used.

When the time is correct? Now would be a great to for you to supply anything other than your opinion about what happened at the Pentagon.

I've just given you plenty of data and evidence and you've "loled" it off. That's not an argument, it's just straight-up denial.

Please start refuting anything I've said. Please. Excuse the 747 typo. The plane was a 757. Even if you don't want to get into the nitty gritty, why not just tell me how there was a huge hole in the Pentagon? Just tell me the whole story of who did it and how. You might want to mention what happened to the plane.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Number1
But seriously, why do you say there were no other large plane crashs. Plenty of pictures at the Pentagon show airplane debris.
Many victims in fligh 93 were identified using DNA. How is that possible if there was no plane? How about the recovered flight recorder at the flight 93 crash site?

Beside, all your arguments have been debunked in this thread repeatedly.

I think you have conclusively demonstrated a lack of common sense and intellectual competence regarding this subject.

The problem is that the pictures from the pentagon don't show enough debris that would resemble an actual plane crashing there. There were no large sections of engines, or tail piece, or wing sections. Of course you already knew that, right? The official story claims it was just vaporized in the heat.

Now, the pseudoskeptics have been hammering away how jet fuel burns at only about 1000C, not hot enough to melt steel. The engines of the airplane were made made from titanium alloys, which would require at least 1600C to melt... and even greater temps to vaporize. So how is it that those components just happened to melt?

The flip side is IF by some magic circumstance most of the plane just vaporized, then how were the authorities able to identify the victims by DNA, which supposedly did not vaporize?

Awwwwww yeah, now we're talking crazy time. Kyle wants to focus on freefall video and ignore the consequences of where such talk leads, but now we're gettin there.

Barbara Olsen: Hostage to Shadowy Covert Agency's in a Bid to Force Husband to Take a Dive in Supreme Court Case on Pelican Preservation!

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
http://www.911myths.com/assets...entagon_Debris_151.jpg

I love this pic . Look at no parking sign. It put into perspective the size of hole . Also note no markings for were wings hit building sides. Hows that ? Also since ya post engine pics.

Get a bigger pic showing more area . I would simply point out those engines are wing mounted. Were did it hit building . Your scarred little boy . You should be . But to put faith in USA government is just retarded. These people are mere puppets . And that hole was not made by a plane.

Also lets see debris from other ground crash . Ya know the one with the American heros onboard. LOL! Were the debris . LOL

That wall was 310 feet from where the plane entered the building.

Pic showing 2 holes in pentegon required than if it 300 feet away on a outside wall . NO parking remember., There is no such hole. only 2 holes entrance/ exit

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
http://www.911myths.com/assets...entagon_Debris_151.jpg

I love this pic . Look at no parking sign. It put into perspective the size of hole . Also note no markings for were wings hit building sides. Hows that ? Also since ya post engine pics.

Get a bigger pic showing more area . I would simply point out those engines are wing mounted. Were did it hit building . Your scarred little boy . You should be . But to put faith in USA government is just retarded. These people are mere puppets . And that hole was not made by a plane.

Also lets see debris from other ground crash . Ya know the one with the American heros onboard. LOL! Were the debris . LOL

do you see any windows in that photo?

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Actually I do have the pics . But later for now this will do. Whos lieing ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lci_eKWgcos

i'd love to see your pics showing that there were 747 pieces at the pentagon.

Me to since it wasn't a 747. You know what I meant .

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Number1
But seriously, why do you say there were no other large plane crashs. Plenty of pictures at the Pentagon show airplane debris.
Many victims in fligh 93 were identified using DNA. How is that possible if there was no plane? How about the recovered flight recorder at the flight 93 crash site?

Beside, all your arguments have been debunked in this thread repeatedly.

I think you have conclusively demonstrated a lack of common sense and intellectual competence regarding this subject.

The problem is that the pictures from the pentagon don't show enough debris that would resemble an actual plane crashing there. There were no large sections of engines, or tail piece, or wing sections. Of course you already knew that, right? The official story claims it was just vaporized in the heat.

Now, the pseudoskeptics have been hammering away how jet fuel burns at only about 1000C, not hot enough to melt steel. The engines of the airplane were made made from titanium alloys, which would require at least 1600C to melt... and even greater temps to vaporize. So how is it that those components just happened to melt?

The flip side is IF by some magic circumstance most of the plane just vaporized, then how were the authorities able to identify the victims by DNA, which supposedly did not vaporize?

Really? How many plane crashes into buildings have you seen?

The plane HIT the Pentagon at nearly 800 feet per second. That's approximately 550 miles per hour. Not only did it hit the Pentagon, but the core damage extended nearly 250 feet into the building. The plane was full of jet fuel, which immediately started burning and, as we know, airplanes are made of a rather fragile metal called aluminum.

There is photo evidence of debris at the crash site. There is photo evidence of debris charred IN the building and there is photo evidence of debris scattered across the lawn of the Pentagon. As expected, the largest pieces of debris are the engines, of which we have photographs.

 

[jonks]

Are ALL these people who saw the plane that hit the pentagon Government Agents?

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

Originally posted by: Cogman
There is no point arguing with you if you are going to completely deny reality.

I suggest that nobody else address him because honestly, what is the point of arguing with someone that will completely deny that the planes crashed into the building, despite thousands of eye witnesses and videos to the contrary.

You're dealing with a guy who believes that "Al Qa'ida" translates to "the database," and that it was created in the bowels of the CIA to drive us all toward the end-times, that those times are now upon us, and that we all need to arm ourselves and prepare for Armageddon.

I just wanted to put it in perspective for ya... the guy is one seriously (un?)medicated whackjob. At one point, I think he even admitted here to growing up or living in a halfway house. For all I know, he could be posting here from a laptop in his tent across the street from the White House.

event8horizon and kylebisme are the same way. Approach with caution.

Here is an example of pure BS. The recently found semerian tablets. This is so funny.

I went to a Catholic school and we were taught all about the semerians . Fact is we knew back in the 50,s that which is just now being excepted as fact . LOL ! You guys got screwed in public schools bigtime . We at least knew the Church was bias at the time as no public school books had this info . Problem is they taught us so much we seen the lies . Hence the HRCC was correct in its early history to keep reading for upper class only or put to death . It was my generation that proved there murdering ways were correct for keeping people in the dark. My generation brought down the power of the unholy church.

150 years ago if I wrote this publicly I would be in a vatcant prison or put to death fact.

So ypu go ahead and believe the lies . We were taught part of trueth long ago . You guys never even got a glimps of trueth. Math is only thing that doesn't lie .

Also if ya read the samerian tablets you will find out 5 citie states were started and built . I can name them can you . Problem is 4 of these city states according to your history all were built in differant Time periods not true. All were built at exact same time . How lonf ago did Christ die? Find this ans. and proof of it and you shall know all you know are lies.

umm... I rest my case?

:laugh:

You haven't made a case for anything . Next few years I will not enjoy but ya all deserve what your going to recieve. The day I die . You die.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
http://www.911myths.com/assets...entagon_Debris_151.jpg

I love this pic . Look at no parking sign. It put into perspective the size of hole . Also note no markings for were wings hit building sides. Hows that ? Also since ya post engine pics.

Get a bigger pic showing more area . I would simply point out those engines are wing mounted. Were did it hit building . Your scarred little boy . You should be . But to put faith in USA government is just retarded. These people are mere puppets . And that hole was not made by a plane.

Also lets see debris from other ground crash . Ya know the one with the American heros onboard. LOL! Were the debris . LOL

That wall was 310 feet from where the plane entered the building.

Pic showing 2 holes in pentegon required than if it 300 feet away on a outside wall . NO parking remember., There is no such hole. only 2 holes entrance/ exit

English please. Whatever you're trying to say doesn't make any sense.

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
You haven't made a case for anything . Next few years I will not enjoy but ya all deserve what your going to recieve. The day I die . You die.

:laugh:

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: munky
The problem is that the pictures from the pentagon don't show enough debris that would resemble an actual plane crashing there. There were no large sections of engines, or tail piece, or wing sections. Of course you already knew that, right? The official story claims it was just vaporized in the heat.

Now, the pseudoskeptics have been hammering away how jet fuel burns at only about 1000C, not hot enough to melt steel. The engines of the airplane were made from titanium alloys, which would require at least 1600C to melt... and even greater temps to vaporize. So how is it that those components just happened to melt?

The flip side is IF by some magic circumstance most of the plane just vaporized, then how were the authorities able to identify the victims by DNA, which supposedly did not vaporize?

they didn't, and photos of them and the wheels are all over the place.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
You haven't made a case for anything . Next few years I will not enjoy but ya all deserve what your going to recieve. The day I die . You die.

:laugh:

Seriously, what the fuck?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Pic showing 2 holes in pentegon required than if it 300 feet away on a outside wall . NO parking remember., There is no such hole. only 2 holes entrance/ exit

you're aware that the pentagon is built in concentric rings with exterior space between the rings, right?

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: jonks
Are ALL these people who saw the plane that hit the pentagon Government Agents?

Did your teachers ever play this game ? Ya start a story and whisper it to first pupil. (not student) Than he turns and whispers the story to another than so on ans so forth . At the end the story isn't the same . 2001 was along me ago . Our government has many resources that belong to us . But are used against us . Trueth is so very hard to grasp when none know its meaning . If something is built on a lie even tho some trueth remain the whole is a lie . Period. Bible is best example. Many trueths remain . Those are way to spot its the lies that really stick out . Like PAUL the ROMAN pig. Who was gay and a liar who used the word I way to much to be of GODS Spirit. Moses only used it once and was not allowed into the promised land . When he struck the rock . He said I command water come forth . IIIIIIIIIIII . Any who use are not of the spirit. Also war . Christians cann't kill for any reason . None . Why would they if their beliefs are true? Na you believe the lies to protect the I word . All things come from GOD I has little to do with anything other than self . Which is none christian / and jewish . Jews can fight wars tho in their beliefs. Because they reject the trueth as do almost all others.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: munky
The problem is that the pictures from the pentagon don't show enough debris that would resemble an actual plane crashing there.

No, the problem is, once again, that you have zero ability to weigh evidence.

On one side we have your argument that the pictures of the wreckage at the pentagon don't show enough debris.

On the other hand we have dozens of reported eyewitness accounts of the plane as it headed to and ultimately struck the pentagon.
http://www.geocities.com/someg...ntknow33/witnesses.htm

In any normal person's view, what happened isn't really up for debate. Of course we've established truthers are by no means normal so this isn't surprising.