The man behind the curtain sent Dorothy back to Kansas. You should take heed and return to reality yourself.Originally posted by: kylebisme
He obviously prefers to shill for the man behind the curtain.
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
The man behind the curtain sent Dorothy back to Kansas. You should take heed and return to reality yourself.Originally posted by: kylebisme
He obviously prefers to shill for the man behind the curtain.
Originally posted by: nerp
Truthers are dumbasses. And that's a fact.
BTW, I do think that the flight 93 or whatever was shot down and the whole 'let's roll' thing was just a nice story to make the families feel better about it. But that's the only "conspiracy" I think there is. The rest of it is a bunch of whackjobs flying planes into buildings that werent' designed to handle jetliners flying into them.
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Originally posted by: nerp
Truthers are dumbasses. And that's a fact.
BTW, I do think that the flight 93 or whatever was shot down and the whole 'let's roll' thing was just a nice story to make the families feel better about it. But that's the only "conspiracy" I think there is. The rest of it is a bunch of whackjobs flying planes into buildings that werent' designed to handle jetliners flying into them.
Don't say the government would lie... That taints everything they say...
They have the tapes and ear witness testimony. IF anyone is not relating accurately it would be those who only using memory embellished their testimony....
Shows how long it's been since I've watched the WoO.Originally posted by: LunarRay
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
The man behind the curtain sent Dorothy back to Kansas. You should take heed and return to reality yourself.Originally posted by: kylebisme
He obviously prefers to shill for the man behind the curtain.
Objection, your honor... Facts not in evidence!
The Good Witch, the blond one, told Dorothy how to get home.... heheheheheh. I think she sorta cast a spell on them ruby slippers too...
The alleged wizard with all his bells and whistles couldn't do it... but then, he didn't have ALL the tools...
Originally posted by: nerp
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Originally posted by: nerp
Truthers are dumbasses. And that's a fact.
BTW, I do think that the flight 93 or whatever was shot down and the whole 'let's roll' thing was just a nice story to make the families feel better about it. But that's the only "conspiracy" I think there is. The rest of it is a bunch of whackjobs flying planes into buildings that werent' designed to handle jetliners flying into them.
Don't say the government would lie... That taints everything they say...
They have the tapes and ear witness testimony. IF anyone is not relating accurately it would be those who only using memory embellished their testimony....
As much as I hate conspiracy theories, I do say it wouldn't be hard to make 'phone calls' from the plane and create a 'wife' who 'recieved those calls' etc yadda yadda. The legit wives and husbands on the ground never get any calls. Just because someone is teary-eyed on dateline doesn't mean she/he isn't an operative.
It's not about numbers, it's about percentages, 100% of the resistive force to hold the building up as it stood, and then right about 0% through around the first 105' of the fall.Originally posted by: LunarRay
Yes the numbers to prove the assertion are missing alright..
You can boggle on the complexities of it, or iterate them out in detail as NIST did in their model, but you can't change the fact that the free fall could not have happened without some yet to be identified forces acting on the system. That is why NIST can't release their model, but rather only tiny video clips of it which show no free fall or anything which could even come close to allowing for it, which they did while they were still denying free fall.Originally posted by: LunarRay
To do that analysis is mind boggling when one tries to sort out all the possibilities... In my mind it is like having two kings only on a chess board and trying to figure out the first move...
I don't think it can be done.. with less than a really good program and a really good computer and a year of time on it.. if then...
Simple stuff this is not..
It almost boils down to ... well, I'm not sure anyone can argue in numbers NIST's stuff... but in concept I think one can muster some argument.
No, the conclusion is the value of Fr, as you noted previously.Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Note: I am NOT a 9/11 truther, I just wanted to make a quick correction here. In the equations posted above the mass cancels and we're solving for Fr, so it doesn't make sense to plug number in for those values. However the maths makes the assumption that mg=ma, which is the conclusion it's trying to prove. In other words the reasoning is circular - the conclusion is assumed in the premises.
Right, and I showed were NIST had done that in the OP.Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
If we just wanted to show that the building fell at free-fall then we'd calculate the amount of time the building fell for and compare that with free fall time. If they're equal then the building fell freely.
Rather, the bitching for equations from people who can't even make a mathematical argument of their own is the handwaving, as is their bitching about how simple the math is even though I had previously told them it would be, and handwaving is all the falsers have as there is no way to prove the official story of WTC7's fall correct, mathematically or otherwise.Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
All of the equations posted in this thread are hand-waving to try to confused anyone who failed high school physics.
TLC falsely accuses me of not being able to understand this fact, yet it exactly that which allows me to know that around 8 stories worth of supporting structure worth were displaced by some yet to be identified forces, as to suggest the supports failed first and then the building drops is Looney Toons physics.Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
...you still can't comprehend why when 8+ floors of support structure fails the mass above is going to come down @ free fall speed.
Originally posted by: kylebisme
TLC falsely accuses me of not being able to understand this fact, yet it exactly that which allows me to know that around 8 stories worth of supporting structure worth were displaced by some yet to be identified forces, as to suggest the supports failed first and then the building drops is Looney Toons physics.
Originally posted by: kylebisme
Again. the mythological explanation is the one were the building fell without some yet to be identified forces taking out around 8 stories of the structure. But I do understand that is an ugly truth for many to face.
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: kylebisme
Again. the mythological explanation is the one were the building fell without some yet to be identified forces taking out around 8 stories of the structure. But I do understand that is an ugly truth for many to face.
You're the only one talking of "yet to be identified forces".
As far as those of us here goes I am, while most of the rest of you are digging your heads in the sand. Perhaps if you saw a retired NASA engineering executive talk about it you might find that more convincing. The part about WTC7 starts at 1:27:00 of the video linked here.Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: kylebisme
Again. the mythological explanation is the one were the building fell without some yet to be identified forces taking out around 8 stories of the structure. But I do understand that is an ugly truth for many to face.
You're the only one talking of "yet to be identified forces".
Originally posted by: kylebisme
Again. the mythological explanation is the one were the building fell without some yet to be identified forces taking out around 8 stories of the structure. But I do understand that is an ugly truth for many to face.
Originally posted by: kylebisme
As far as those of us here goes I am, while are digging your heads in the sand. Perhaps if you saw a retired NASA engineering executive talk about it you might find that more convincing. The part about WTC7 starts at 1:27:00 of the video linked here.Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: kylebisme
Again. the mythological explanation is the one were the building fell without some yet to be identified forces taking out around 8 stories of the structure. But I do understand that is an ugly truth for many to face.
You're the only one talking of "yet to be identified forces".
That seems very unlikely. Are you asking because you do, or are you just not capable of developing and/or expressing your own thoughts?Originally posted by: Ozoned
So, do you believe the directed energy weapon turned the structure to dust?
Did you follow the link there to this page? If so, and that doesn't work, I'd try updating Flash first, and if that doesn't work perhaps try with a different web browser.Originally posted by: LunarRay
Some unidentified force is keeping me from figuring out how to get that link to play the broadcast?
Originally posted by: kylebisme
That seems very unlikely. Are you asking because you do, or are you just not capable of developing and/or expressing your own thoughts?Originally posted by: Ozoned
So, do you believe the directed energy weapon turned the structure to dust?
Did you follow the link there to this page? If so, and that doesn't work, I'd try updating Flash first, and if that doesn't work perhaps try with a different web browser.Originally posted by: LunarRay
Some unidentified force is keeping me from figuring out how to get that link to play the broadcast?
Originally posted by: kylebisme
I'm interested in talking about the facts, not beliefs. Granted, I know you falsers have trouble with that.
Rather, I'm aware of the fact that the official story contradicts long understood and constantly demonstrable laws of physics, and that fact is the topic of this thread. If you want to talk about beliefs, please make your own thread.