Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Originally posted by: kylebisme
Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Originally posted by: BeauJanglesWhy is there nearly 95% consensus among structural engineers from around the world...
...the most ridiculous mental gymnastics...
Anyway, there is no poll of structural engineers or similarly qualified people that points either way. Nobody would ever conduct such a poll and I highly doubt that many people would participate. The best evidence we have that there is an overwhelming concensus is simply the eight year global silence we've heard.
That is some absurd mental gymnastics you've got going on there; assuming the 95% of the structural engineers from around the world even know about WTC7's period of free fall takes some huge stretching of the imagination, let alone believing they all looked into the physics of it and agreed with the official story. Yet such imagination is is what it took for you to construct your completely fallacious argument here. So, you are clearly such a falser that you have absolutely no respect for reality, and until you change your ways by owning up to the absurdity of your consensus claim, I won't respond to another one of your posts.
What fake claim? I offered you far more substantial evidence that the vast majority of engineers throughout the world agree with what happened on 911? You have yet to show me a shred of proof that I'm wrong. I can point to organizations with thousands of members, international credited magazines, publications, and journals, and I can point to two scientific studies of the events of 911 as support for the plane-hit-the-towers theory.
Your entire argument in this thread rests on the belief that something is wrong with the WTC 7 analysis. As just about everyone has admitted here, the WTC 7 collapse is certainly shrouded in the greatest mystery. Without digging into the nitty gritty of what you've said (that's been covered), the question comes back to one simple thing.
Here it is.
If you're right, what does that mean? If I were to concede right now and tell you that I believed everything you've said, you'd still lack an argument.
What you've managed to do here is ignore every single shred of evidence that points one way and focus on the one thing you believe points the other. If there was something shady about the WTC 7 collapse, we have no evidence that there was any wrong-doing, we have no evidence for explosives or thermite or thermate or termites or anything. We have no visual or chemical evidence that explosives were ever planted.
What we do have is a detailed report that covers about 99% of the collapse with such detail and accuracy it can't really be disputed. We have some funky things that happened that are still open to questioning. In fact, many engineers DO question what happened on 911, but they do so within the framework of the planes hitting the towers.
You have a sharp tongue, but unfortunately lack the logical capacity or wit to understand that what I presented to you in the previous post is a mountain of evidence that there is near-universal support for the NIST report. I've showed you that thousands and thousands of engineers are supportive of this story.
Again, I've listed thousands of people that support the NIST, you've listed nobody who doesn't support it.
If you're going to be a child and refuse to engage in any discussion, let's just straighten out what you've failed to answer.
1) You've failed to prove that there is anything wrong with the NIST account of what happened. You keep clinging to the belief you have, but realize that the vast majority of the posters in this thread don't believe you're correct. Even the other people who believe in a 911 conspiracy have not agreed with you. You have not proven anything. I'm not just being a jerk about this point, but you continually claim that your facts are "irrefutable" yet I do not believe a single person has actually agreed with what you've said.
Again, you've basically continued to scream "I'm right!" in the face of pretty damning evidence that you're not.
You haven't convinced ANYONE in this thread.
2) You've failed to address the contextual questions about 911.
You cannot tell me how or why explosives were placed, or even who placed them.
You cannot explain why the government hijacked planes AND planted explosives.
You can't tell me why there isn't a single soul who saw anybody rigging explosives to the building.
You can't tell me why the NIST's report agrees with the planes bringing down the towers and leaves no margin of error on that.
You cannot tell me why there is no circumstantial evidence for explosives.
You cannot tell me why WTC 7 was bombed but not hit by a plane.
You can't even provide a motive for why anybody would do this.
You refuse to commit to the reality that your conspiracy implicates thousands of people, while the true story contains, at most, 50 people.
You cannot tell me if the buildings were brought down with thermite (which truthers claim there is evidence for) or brought down with traditional explosives.
You can't tell me why they used thermite and not a real explosives that, you know, blows up.
Because of the previous two points, you can't tell me why those videos you (I believe it was you) posted about "squibs" would back up your point. Thermite doesn't explode, so those explosions can't be caused by it.
3) Your systematic denial of the reality that guys like Prof Jones are in the small, small minority.
Just to reiterate my point I have cited professional organizations, peer-reviewed journals, and peer-reviewed magazines as proof that nobody in this field agrees with you. The NIST report alone is evidence that thousands of engineers are in agreement. The global silence is further confirmation of these facts. There is not one single peer-reviewed article that takes up your side of the story in a meaningful way. Unless ALL of these people are in on it, you have no support at the top of the field.
Even the evil insurance companies raised no stink about what happened, despite the fact that billions of dollars of their money was at stake.
4) Who was responsible. I covered this briefly earlier, but I'd like to point out that despite your claims to the contrary, any conspiracy you put forth immediately implicates thousands of people, many of whom aren't government employees or anything like that.
So, feel free to ignore me. After all, it's a free country, but just remember what I said earlier:
If your evidence is so irrefutable, why have you failed to convince a single solitary person that you're right?
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