Originally posted by: kylebisme
Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Irrefutable? What about the 600 posts in this thread, the 900 posts in the last thread, and the mountains of physical and circumstantial evidence you've ignored?
I am not, and have no intrest in ingoring anything. On the other hand you insist on ingoring the fact that my OP is irrfutable by pointing to mounds of posts which fail to refute it.
Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Or have you now redefined irrefutable, just like you redefined "will of the people?"
The will of the people I was referring to is that of the vote which was blocked from being put on the ballet, as I explained previously.
That said, you have been ignoring what I pointed out here:
Originally posted by: kylebisme
Originally posted by: BeauJanglesWhy is there nearly 95% consensus among structural engineers from around the world...
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The consensus among engineers he claims seems to be a figment of his imagination. I've asked him and others to substantiate such statistical claims before, but none have manged to do anything of the sort.
So, can you substitute your claim of consensus? Or should I take your lack of doing so as evidence that you are such a falser that you have absolutely no interest in truth?
You have engaged in the most ridiculous mental gymnastics I've ever seen to avoid answering any questions that have been asked of you. Instead, you deflect everything away and keep hammering away at the same point, despite the fact that numerous people have spent the time showing you that your grasp of physics is... well... lacking.
I haven't ignored anything, there have just been numerous posts in a short period of time.
Anyway, there is no poll of structural engineers or similarly qualified people that points either way. Nobody would ever conduct such a poll and I highly doubt that many people would participate. The best evidence we have that there is an overwhelming concensus is simply the eight year global silence we've heard. While a very small number (fewer than 20) of academics have put forth claims that 911 was an inside job, they've received no support. Zero. None. Unless we're going to implicate every structural engineer in the world in a conspiracy, their silence on the issue is a vote for the status quo -- that planes brought down the towers.
Further evidence can be gleaned by the NIST and FEMA reports themselves. Both these organizations, particularly the NIST, relies heavily on scientists who have no affiliation with the government. They are academics from this country drawn together for a common purpose-- in this case it was to investigate the collapse of the towers and the pentagon crash. That work represents a consensus on a much larger level than any anti-NIST claims do.
The publications of structural engineers and demolition experts also universally support the NIST's report and have even published articles explaining their stance. Organizations such as the American Society of Civil Engineers support the NIST. NOVA and Popular Mechanics also found broad support for the NIST report when they did their investigations.
The most damning piece of evidence that there has not been a published paper in a peer-reviewed publication that offers any other explanation to the planes-brought-down-the-towers theory. None. Zero. Zip.
Even if we somehow believed that ALL of these people were in on it, the silence by the insurance group disaster investigators should also be a firm indicator of their belief that there was no foul play involved. And remember, that decision cost the insurance companies nearly 5 billion dollars.
Finally, even those who have supported a conspiracy, such as Prof Jones, have found that their support isn't that broad among their own community. Other BYU professors in his department were quick to distance themselves from him.
The point is that there is no study you can point to or I can point to that pins the number down exactly, but there is a mountain of evidence that structural and civil engineers worldwide are in agreement on what happened on 911.
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