So you are a coward who believes the ultimate of atrocities has been committed but are willing to do nothing about it. You may consider me hopeless, but at least I've got honor and integrity. You are a shameless little wimp who will let this go on and do nothing about it. You wnat someone else to do the "wet work".
So you are a coward who believes the ultimate of atrocities has been committed but are willing to do nothing about it. You may consider me hopeless, but at least I've got honor and integrity. You are a shameless little wimp who will let this go on and do nothing about it. You wnat someone else to do the "wet work".
I would say that if what Morkinva proposes is true then all of the people involved perpatrated something along the lines of Hitler and the Nazis. Would you prefer Stalin? Pol Pot? Which analogy is inoffensive to your tastes. Are you REALLY a leftist twit with a Kerry signature in your sig calling me out on comparing Bush to Hitler? lol
So what is wrong with my logic - if he TRULY believes this scenario - and is doing nothing about it - then he is a coward. So is anyone who believe it. It wouldn't be treason - he'd be a patriot liberating us from a tyranny far beyond the British.
What's funny is Rainsford is the only stand-up liberal that will come in here and call a spade a spade. You come flouncing in here and want to lend credence to this - calling it an "alternative viewpoint". You're as much scum as he is. I suppose somebody posts "holocaust never happened" scenarios, you're going to go defend them too?
I have an alternative viewpoint. You and your family are all child rapists. I'm going to create a webpage and post "evidence" of it. Couldn't this be a plausible theory? In fact - based on you defending morkinva - you must have a link with him, and you are part of a child-rapist 9/11 theorist gang!
Wow. Where to begin. I come here posting benign assertions asking for some understanding and you counter with more personal attacks. I'm tempted to stay away from your partisan hackery but will respond to defend myself from your bigotry.
In the ideolistic sense of the word he would indeed be a "patriot liberating us from a tyranny far beyond the British" but in realistic terms he would be seen as the equivelant of a terrorist who is attempting to overthrow the Government. He is like his analogy states a person with a pea shooter because he, being one man, simply cannot overthrow the Government. You are acting too ideolistically and surely must realize it is futile for the one man to go running up to the establishment (whether you believe it to be the White House, the CIA building, any federal building, etc...) with bombs on his person. One could also argue that by presenting his viewpoint as he did that he is doing something and not nothing as you suggest. By presenting his viewpoint with what he determines to be the facts to back it up he is doing a lot more than merely attempting to overthrow a tyrannical regime.
This viewpoint is an alternative viewpoint. In simple terms, it is what the definition implies ... it is "different from the usual or conventional (m-w.com)." As I commented earlier your argument becomes all the more null once you begin to argue against the messenger and rather against the actual words themselves. Calling me "scum" neither hurts me nor helps you. It's only there to inflate your ego. And as far as the "holocaust never happened" retort what is that about? Why do you bring up past events that are established fact in history in an attempt to discredit your opponent? If you care, which I doubt you do because it seems your mind is made up, I acknowledge that the Holocaust happened and as a result millions of people died at the hands of a horrible dictator. Now what? This subject isn't to be taken lightly and your casual usage of it to discredit me is morely reprehensible.
As far as the last point about me and my family being "child rapists." I personally am a firm believer in the first ammendment and no matter how much I despise or even hate what you say, I will fight to the death for your right to say it. If you were to assume your alternate viewpoint as true and me and my family were child rapists then I would demand proof. If you could provide firm proof to the fact that we were "child rapists" then I would have to agree with it but would fight with bitter tooth an nail to have your ideas discreditted by the facts that I provide. You're more than welcome to post what you wish wherever and about whomever you want but I also have the right to defend myself by any means necessary. Remember, your freedom ends where my nose begins.
According to the video, which I consider unreliable, it was blasting.
In the world trade center complex, there are multiple buildings that sit on a single foundation. The whole city is built that way. After having the foundation so severely damaged by the fall of the towers, I'm surprised they could find a blasting crew that was willing to go inside it to wire it with explosives.
In the world trade center complex, there are multiple buildings that sit on a single foundation. The whole city is built that way. After having the foundation so severely damaged by the fall of the towers, I'm surprised they could find a blasting crew that was willing to go inside it to wire it with explosives.
More reprehensible, or morally reprehensible? I'm not sure what morely reprehensible means. Anyhow, someone like yourself shouldn't be lecturing anyone on morals. Your morals are subverted by some notion that the first amendment trumps everything. It doesn't, as extensive court cases have shown. But hey, if you're the type that you're fascinated by conspiracy theorists and defending the "rights" of NAMBLA, more power to you. And besides, if you are so concerned with 1st amendment rights, then why are you concerned with your conspiracy buddy's and not mine, eh?
What is the holocaust quote about? You yourself said "Why do you bring up past events that are established fact in history in an attempt to discredit your opponent?", well that's what 9/11 is - established fact in history, and that historical fact does not include a vast government conspiracy, period. It's been disproven through bipartisan commissions, it's been disproven through independent media investigations, and it's been disproven by simple logic that even a 10 year old could understand. But you and Morkivna don't accept that - which of course either means your mentality is lower than a 10 year olds, or there is really something quite different going on - probably a desparate longing for anything anti-bush, as evidenced by your has-been signature.
Anything else is an insult to the memories of those who perished. So if your morals include defending those who would insult those memories, then you ARE scum! IMHO of course...
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Why are you so irate toward chambersc? It seems to me he's said nothing to deserve the kind of abuse you're dishing out.
Cause he wants to argue with me
That, and he doesn't seem to want to accept that this is tinfoil nonsense.
I meant the latter, thanks for picking that one out.
Also, the first amendment, like Article 1 of the Constitution, is placed at the beginning because they trump everything. The first Amendment is placed at the beginning both symbolically and realistically. It is there to convey the idea that the founding fathers had envisioned -- one of Freedom for all the people the Constitution protects. It is there to guarntee such basic freedoms as the press, right to religion, speech and to peasibly assemble. The placement is vital to the rest of the bill of rights for this reason. Both symbolically and realistically the First Amendment is there to illustrate the basic beliefs that the rest of the bill was meant to convey and to firmly establish certain unalienable rights that the people of the Americas have.
Also, I have never hinted my position on the subject yet in this thread. I have neither said whether I'm for or against the alternative viewpoint because I was arguing a different subject altogether. I was merely pointing out the fact that you unjustly attack an opponent whom is trying to inform about his viewpoint. My signature has little relevance to my party affiliation. Just because I have a quote from John Kerry in my signature doesn't necessarily mean I support him or the Democratic party.
Lastly, like I've said about two other times in this thread, calling people names is a bad thing to do. It degrades your argument, which isn't much, and frankly makes you look like the bully you are.
I see, Mr. Sensitivity. So since you've gone to all the trouble to post 4 or 5 times on the big mean bully minding his manners and not saying naughty things to the other children, why don't you make your first on-topic post and explain exactly what your position IS on this "alternative viewpoint"?
edit: BTW, I just noticed the ads at the bottom of AT: http://www.barremore.net/write-congress-911.html
Classic! DU-Lite has been engaged!
I'm not an idiot, and it was a conspiracy, but it was AlQaeda's conspiracy, not one hatched here. Anyone who believes that is beyond the help and protection of aluminum foil, with or without the flashing blue LED's. :roll:
Please stop arguing with me, especially when you're right. :thumbsup:Originally posted by: rahvin
Allow me to clarify, anyone who believes it was a conspiracy of the US government is an idiot.
Yep, I guess some MIT Engineer/Research Scientist is just an idiot too. core columns left out to make pancake theory look plausible (quicktime (.mov) 67MB). More likely is that, quite simply, you are ignorant.
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I used an entire roll of tin foil, and this video still didnt make any sense...where do you conspiracy theorists buy your tin foil, as the generic store brand I bought doesn't seem to be working?
If such person is advocating that there was some conspiracy by the US government on 9/11 then yes it is quite simple, that person is an idiot. No question about it. Loonies like yourself come in all professions, obtaining a degree in a subject does not prove sanity. In fact I have found that a significant percentage of those who obtain advanced degree's from a university are in fact lacking in common sense and are quite gullible.
This is bulding 7. Why is everypone talking about the others. If you watched the video all the clips, including the owner himself said they had to "pull" the building. THey also have other references and video of other people saying that building 7 was "pulled" or a "controlled demolition."
What is there to argue about Building 7? It came directly from the horses mouth.
EDIT - is there anyone here that has actually BEEN to the site and knows where building 7 is?
What is there to argue about Building 7? It came directly from the horses mouth.
EDIT - is there anyone here that has actually BEEN to the site and knows where building 7 is?
Did it ever occur to you that he could have meant "pull the operation" out? As in pull the firefighters out? That's the context of the quote - he's talking about the firefighters in the building, and how much loss of life there had already been.
When your mommy yells into the basement, and you say "I'm almost done pulling it", does she think you are demolishing a building?
Here's the quote in context :
http://www.letsroll911.net/images/PullIt2.mp3
Not to mention his quote says "they decided" as in the FDNY to "pull it" - so the FDNY is in the massive conspiracy also - those Neocon bastards!
pull it?
is SO different from
pull out?
Silverstein: "...and I said maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse.
Are you saying that when he told them to "pull it" or "leave" the building immedialy collapsed after the firefighters came out?
When would you, or anyone refer to a team of people (Fire fighters) as an "IT."
Do you REALLY believe what your saying?
is SO different from
pull out?
Silverstein: "...and I said maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse.
Are you saying that when he told them to "pull it" or "leave" the building immedialy collapsed after the firefighters came out?
When would you, or anyone refer to a team of people (Fire fighters) as an "IT."
Do you REALLY believe what your saying?
Originally posted by: alchemize
What really happened is that Bush and his entire administration setup 9/11 to start a war for oil. So they decided to destroy the WTC. "hey, let's bring down the other buildings around it while we are at it - that will be fun!"
So they first worked with the CIA and military, setup 9/11, etc. Said "hey you guys mind if we try to take out the pentagon to start a war? Both the CIA and military said "sure - sounds like a plan".
Then they worked with demolition companies, the city of new york, fire department, etc. - explained to them "hey you guys need to join our conspiracy - mind sacrificing a few 100 of your best men for our little war"? They all said ' "Sure! sounds like a plan".
Then Bush & co (actually Rove did it - I have that on a good source) - told them all "but you have to be really quiet ok - so nobody notices, and you can't talk about it afterwards". So all 2,000 or so people said "ok - we worship you, turd blossom".
So they rounded up some military planes and crashed them into the towers - made all the passengers vanish. Then fired a missile into the pentagon. For some reason they ran out of planes.
Then in a carefully choreographed manuever, they also demolished Building 7!
Masterful plan, I tell you. I'm probably a dead man walking, however, for revealing the details of thsi dastardly plat
they thought most people are too dumb to see through this. some of us are as intelligent as bush and his administration. they are liars and like to cover up everything they do to pisses us off then blame it on someone else. very clever but it won't fool everyone. I've seen documentary video that said that no airplanes can bring any of the towers down even if hit numberous times, instead demolition was place inside the tower strategically and then detonated from inside out. people who were close to the building heard many explosion, they said"boom.boom..boom.." He did exactly what hitler did in the 1940's, I guess history does repeat itself.
War never ended after world war II, war never ends as long as these jerks run the country and cause mass destruction to the human race. They must be held accountable because our existent is in the balance. They take advantage of nice people that fear them because no one wants to die but they die anyway when they want them to as some kind of sick sacrificial ritual to confuse the public.
Our weakness is that we fear death, when we no longer fear death they will be powerless. This world is not theirs to control, it belongs to everyone whether they are asian, hispanic, indian, african, or european.
If you found anyone watching the news or reading newspaper for facts avert their attention away that what their seeing is what they want you to hear, not the truth. the media is very biased and make up stuff that are fictionist. I can't even convince most people that they been lied to all their life so it's hopeless but at least we're doing something about it rather then nothing.
New Yorkers also say "stand on-line". Don't they really mean "in-line"? They can't really be standing "on the line", can they?
ON vs. IN
I refer to my team or projects I work on as "it" all the time. Isn't a project or team or operation a noun? Isn't a pronoun in reference to a noun?
Anyhow, it's obvious that "IT" can refer to what I said as well. Or do you disagree?
Coudn't "IT" refer to "the firefighting operation"? Answer that question, since you won't answer my basement question. Can your de-flouridinated brain pull that out?
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