Most people are already in the IRS database, or some other database, so talking about Big Brother is rather pointless.
At this point, a national ID can only help in terms of security, immigration, and probably even identity theft.
At this point, a national ID can only help in terms of security, immigration, and probably even identity theft.
Hell, I don't do anything wrong so what do I have to worry about. A national identity card should be required for any financial transaction, right? Not one dime changes hands without government knowledge, all money goes electronic.
I dont understand what all that fuss is about - but that is probably because here we have always had IDs not that I need it that often but the times I need it I wonder how that could possibly work without. (voting, receiving parcels, certain bank transactions (I would support it if stores would actually require ID for CC payments), getting a passport, marrying, traveling abroad)
A national ID is a silly idea, it does not solve any real problem I've heard discussed, and would be enormously expensive to implement a completely new national ID system on the scale most national ID proponents are talking about. The arguments in favor of a national ID card seem to totally misunderstand the issues being faced and the ability of a national ID card to solve them. I don't want to get into the whole argument here (and it's been discussed to death in other threads), but a national ID card strikes me very much as one of those "solutions" in search of a real problem...and it's a "solution" that has this instant appeal to people but falls a little short when you really debate the pros and cons. That's not to say that it would be totally useless, but given the hundreds of billions of dollars such a system would cost, the benefits we might gain would be very marginal...the money and effort would be far better spent elsewhere. And of course there is the very real privacy concern, while unimportant to a disturbingly large number of Americans, many of us consider MORE tracking and information gathering about regular, law-abiding citizens to be against everything this country stands for. But while many of the proposed systems are totally unacceptable to many of us because of privacy concerns, having an INeffective system is even worse.
As for voter ID, since it was brought up...I think from a security perspective it's a good idea, as long as ANYONE who is a legal voter can freely obtain a valid photo ID without expending too much effort. Having a system that unequally hinders a particular group from voting is, by definition, unconstitutional. I know the argument is frequently made that "everyone has ID", so why not simply make sure that's the case?
As for voter ID, since it was brought up...I think from a security perspective it's a good idea, as long as ANYONE who is a legal voter can freely obtain a valid photo ID without expending too much effort. Having a system that unequally hinders a particular group from voting is, by definition, unconstitutional. I know the argument is frequently made that "everyone has ID", so why not simply make sure that's the case?
It's going to be incredibly easy to forge something that's going to be produced two-hundred-fifty-million times.
There should be a national ID that is available through the state. It would be for those who don't have or need a license.
It's a form of identification -- why do privacy freaks go apeshit over a card which has their name on it? Stop using my damn SSN for every single thing tied to the government (I'm military -- it's truly insane for us) and even many commercial interests which is a far more important privacy concern than a card.
If everybody has an ID, then you can mandate that employers ask for it to check work eligibility. Also, the ID will have your permanent address, so if anybody tries to get a credit card in your name, or register a car, then the companies should be forced to send something to the permanent address to acknowledge the transaction.
What can not be forged can be stolen or sold if your last name is Ryan.
I think it is past time to updated the Social Security Card. I dont see why or how you can convince anyone that a Social Security Card is a valid form of identification. It is printed on flimsy paper of the lowest quality, it has no Photo, and only minimal information.
I think it is past time to updated the Social Security Card. I dont see why or how you can convince anyone that a Social Security Card is a valid form of identification. It is printed on flimsy paper of the lowest quality, it has no Photo, and only minimal information.
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I support the concept of a national ID. you have to have a driver's license to operate any knid of motor vehicle, banks almost all requier some type of photo ID for transactions or to set up an account, you need specific forms of ID for the I-9 paperwork to go to work, etc. If done right, this could encompass most of those items, all in one card. YES, trying to make one so that it's nearly impossible to forge will not be easy, but IMO, it's [ast time.
Immigrants have to have one, which will serve as their green card, driver's license, etc. A GOOD reliable system could help make it easier for employers to verify the legality of workers, and make it easier to prosecute employers who hire illegals...wich is something that needs to be done, to address the illlegal immigration problem...
Immigrants have to have one, which will serve as their green card, driver's license, etc. A GOOD reliable system could help make it easier for employers to verify the legality of workers, and make it easier to prosecute employers who hire illegals...wich is something that needs to be done, to address the illlegal immigration problem...
Because it's NOT "just a card with our name on it", almost every proposed system I've heard of involves gathering a lot more personal information to link with the card as well as scanning the card much more frequently. And if it IS "just a card with your name on it", what the hell do we need one for? We already have those, remember?
So you think those marginal benefits are worth the extreme cost of developing a "GOOD reliable system"? I already HAVE a driver's license, which works at the bank as a form of ID, which ALSO works as one form of ID when doing paperwork for a job. Sure, I need another form of ID in that situation, but that is a MUCH better security policy than putting all our eggs in one basket with a national ID card and assuming it's perfectly secure, instead of having to forge (or steal or buy) two different forms of ID, it's down to one...even if it's better, it will have to be a LOT better to be an actual improvement. And the problems with illegals is that employers DON'T check ID or fill out paperwork, making it easier for them to identify legality of workers is useless if they aren't doing it in the first place.
I'm not saying that a national ID card couldn't possibly be done in a secure and useful way (ignoring the privacy issues of course), but you have to consider the opportunity costs...what else could we be doing with that time, money and effort? Given the expected costs of making a halfway reasonable system, it seems like we could be doing a lot more with those resources for a lot more benefit.
I'm just amazed that the US doesnt already require a photo ID to vote
since I first voted in iceland almost 10 years ago a photo ID has been required, and probably has been required for decades before that
And whats more is that you dont have to register to vote, thats just a hazzle and frankly put dumb, if you are eligable to vote then you can vote
since I first voted in iceland almost 10 years ago a photo ID has been required, and probably has been required for decades before that
And whats more is that you dont have to register to vote, thats just a hazzle and frankly put dumb, if you are eligable to vote then you can vote
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Using SSN# as a form of identification is really really stupid imo. Even my cell phone provider wants to know it. National ID would fix that.
I dont really have a problem with picture id either, so long theres no RFID in it. No way should you be required to carry it on you at all times though.
Heh, then why is everything financial and background related tied to my SS?
Like I have said, we already have a national ID called SS. Just because we havent put it on a plastic card with a picture and require it be used as such, doesnt mean it isnt already.
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My main priority is to determine status for each person walking the streets of the U.S.
The only uses for the Nat ID's will be the few occasions when proof of your ID is crucial. Such as: voting, gaining employment, opening an account, buying/renting a car/house, crossing a border, appearing in court, receiving hospital services, and above all else, whenever your citizenship is questioned. Each of these uses could be listed and spelled out very clearly in whatever legislation mandates the use of the cards.
We also include a grace period long enough to allow for everyone to obtain an ID; at the same time, we create a program that will get free cards into the hands of the poor who cannot afford one.
The idea would be to revise the Green Card and immigration processes at the same time. Each form of the National ID will have to be made as difficult to duplicate as humanly possible. (Complex Holograms, water-marks, etc)
We could go with a simple, and very non-descriminatory, color-coded ID card system:
Red/White/Blue = Genuine U.S. Citizen.
Green = Legal immigrant with an expiration/renewel date.
Brown = Work visa with an expiration/renewel date.
All of the cards will be the same format, and each of them could still be called a "National ID."
If we make these changes as part of a more robust update to our immigration policies, I truly think that the cost is worth it.
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