What are your opinions on a required National ID in the US?

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Czar
I'm just amazed that the US doesnt already require a photo ID to vote

since I first voted in iceland almost 10 years ago a photo ID has been required, and probably has been required for decades before that

And whats more is that you dont have to register to vote, thats just a hazzle and frankly put dumb, if you are eligable to vote then you can vote

Iceland has half the population of Wyoming, the least populous US state. So what works in Iceland cannot be said to apply to the US on a national level.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Genx87
We have had a National ID system for 70 years. It is called Social Security.

Using SSN# as a form of identification is really really stupid imo. Even my cell phone provider wants to know it. National ID would fix that.

I dont really have a problem with picture id either, so long theres no RFID in it. No way should you be required to carry it on you at all times though.

The National ID will have an RFID in it, and you will be required to carry it on you at all times. The ID number on it will be your SSN. Furthermore, it will not/cannot be foolproof, and forgeries and identity theft will occur. The only way to prevent that would be through an implanted chip and tattoo, and IMO that's where the revolution starts.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by:

Just think of the potential fiestas whenever an immigrant you know "graduates" from their Gren Card to a genuine National ID!! Cervesas all around! woohoo!

So, you're into this for the beer?

That's real, real nice.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: her209
So do only US citizens get ID cards?

yes, that's the idea.

Just think of the potential fiestas whenever an immigrant you know "graduates" from their Gren Card to a genuine National ID!! Cervesas all around! woohoo!

So if only US citizens get these National ID cards, how do you differentiate a Green card holder from someone who is here illegally?

All of the cards will be the same format, and each of them could still be called a "National ID."

Wait... you just said that only US citizens get ID cards... now you want everyone to get one?

Also, in regards to your comment about "whenever your citizenship is questioned", you're defintely going to see a loud cry about racial profiling there.

 

[piasabird]

I like how on the IL Drivers License they put the photo on the plastic. It is not some photo that is just glued in place. Then there is some kind of monogram type seal that goes over the bottom of the photo, to prove it was not changed later. I think the data should be hidden on the strip so if someone else gets your card they have to have a reader to read your info. It could even be encrypted.

Some people have said that the new way of identification is using Bio-Metrics.

 

[Hossenfeffer]

In theory, a universal, more-secure national ID is great, at least it has a lot of potential value. The fewer hoops I need to jump through, sometimes, the better. For example, I get to the airport. -I- know I'm not going to blow anything up, cause any trouble, and yet I'm forced to go through the hoops.

That being said, I'm not really for a national ID. Right now, at least. It seems more of a after-measure, a la over-the-top security at airports. I get the feeling it's a full-body cast to take care of a broken finger. (Ha. I'm annoying myself with this post right now )

Off the top of my head, a few concerns:

- Cost
- Availability (how easy/difficult would it be to obtain?)
- Forgery (How easy/difficult is it to fake?)
- Civil Liberties (when is it too much to be able to track everything? How much faith do I put in the "system")
- What are we trying to fix? (Is it to curb illegal immigration? Increasing data integrity of voting?)

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: her209
So do only US citizens get ID cards?

yes, that's the idea.

Just think of the potential fiestas whenever an immigrant you know "graduates" from their Gren Card to a genuine National ID!! Cervesas all around! woohoo!

So if only US citizens get these National ID cards, how do you differentiate a Green card holder from someone who is here illegally?

All of the cards will be the same format, and each of them could still be called a "National ID."

Wait... you just said that only US citizens get ID cards... now you want everyone to get one?

Also, in regards to your comment about "whenever your citizenship is questioned", you're defintely going to see a loud cry about racial profiling there.

I'm not adverse to racial profiling when it's reasonable.

Carlos Mencia summed up profiling very well in his first stand-up video. He said that we should hang photos of all 19 hijackers on the wall next to the security stations at airports. Then, if an Arab-looking gentleman asks "Why are you just searching me?", the security guards can reply: "Funny you should ask... look at the wall!"

As for having more than one idea: I've revised my National ID idea to include a revision to ALL forms of citizenship ID. Their introduction can be rolled up into a larger bill effecting immigration reform, employment verification, voter fraud prevention, etc.

These are just ideas... brainstorming and revision are allowed, right?