What are the fates of the Yankees

[Toasthead]

Originally posted by: NutBucket
Nobody in their right mind would take Brown. Quantrill is fine reliever but I believe he has some health issues? At any rate he's still got a year on his contract. While I do think they'll go after Beltran I also agree that they should look for more pitching. Not sure if Hudson is still tops though. His numbers were really down towards the end of season. Maybe he's got some nagging health issues as well. I say they go after Nomar and stick him at 2nd

Dont forget, the Yanks can afford to just give the team all the money it takes to coverhis salary. So its not impossible to get rid of him ( or anyone else they choose)

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Nutdotnet

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: UDT89
Tell the "poorer" teams to get better scouts. Think about Posada, Jeter, Rivera, Bernie, dont remember them being bought. I'm not 100% about rivera, im a met fan.

Many of these 'poorer' teams have great scouts. The problem is that they cannot retain their talent. Look at the costs of retaining these players that you have come up with.

Like the A's for example.... They've lost Tejada, Giambi...might lost Zito.

Or the Twins...who couldn't keep Hawkins, Guardado, Ortiz, and so on.

Uh, didn't you guys LET Ortiz go? It wasn't a money issues was it?

And, thank youselves that you lost Hawkins and Guardado. What did they do? Nothing!

His team is the Mets, not Twins. IIRC, they couldn't afford to resign Ortiz, and that amount of $ was actually chump change. Boston got a steal by signing him cheap, and just renewed his contract this year...

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: Nutdotnet

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
So do you think the Yanks will aquire Beltran and half of the A's Pitching Staff during the off season?

Haha...they won't get our pitching this year, MAYBE next. We gotta sign Huddy and either Mulder or Zito. One is gonna have to split, and that's OK. We have Harden, and Blanton looked good down the stretch. We get rid of Redman, and I say Mulder. Why? More value and we need bats. I think Zito is a great number #3.

Not this year, but next I think our rotation will look like this-

Huddy
Harden
Zito
Blanton
Free Agent Pick up

You're an A's fan right? I'll say this, I think 2005 is our best shot @ winning the World Series. We have $$$ from Dye leaving, we have some primetime rooks ready to get their shot, and after we looked like a bunch of pansies down the stretch there will be a fire to get NorCal back in the playoffs!

I would have to disagree with you on who to keep. If it wasn't for the last few games where Mulder just lost it, he was our #1 starter and was last year too. Zito the last year was our #3 guy and this year was our #4 with Harden at #3. I say keep Hudson and Mulder

Mulder
Hudson
Harden
Blanton
Free agent/or redman

But I don't think 2005 is our best shot. We need a better bullpen and a stronger offense than this year's. And I don't see anyone out there that we can get for cheap that can replace Dye's offense. So we most likely will not have a strong offense next year and thats what killed the A's this year down the stretch.

 

[Ranger X]

Originally posted by: Nutdotnet

Haha...they won't get our pitching this year, MAYBE next. We gotta sign Huddy and either Mulder or Zito. One is gonna have to split, and that's OK. We have Harden, and Blanton looked good down the stretch. We get rid of Redman, and I say Mulder. Why? More value and we need bats. I think Zito is a great number #3.

Not this year, but next I think our rotation will look like this-

Huddy
Harden
Zito
Blanton
Free Agent Pick up

You're an A's fan right? I'll say this, I think 2005 is our best shot @ winning the World Series. We have $$$ from Dye leaving, we have some primetime rooks ready to get their shot, and after we looked like a bunch of pansies down the stretch there will be a fire to get NorCal back in the playoffs!

Don't forget, the A's need a closer. Dotel just flat out SUCKS. The Astros should be glad he's gone because Lidge is so much better than him.

 

[geecee]

Originally posted by: maddogchen
As for the yankees. i think they should get rid of....Kevin Brown, Tom Gordon, Quantrill, Giambi, and Vasquez.
Kevin Brown: overpaid, over the hill.
Tom Gordon: can't even finish 1 inning without having to be bailed out by Rivera.
Quantrill: will not make it out of 1 inning.
Giambi: without the roids he's useless and a defensive liability.
Vasquez: he's the goat that gave up the grandslam to johnny damon.

Agree on Brown. I know people have been talking about it. I think the Yankees can buy him out or something like that.
Disagree on Gordon. He was pretty good during the season. The Sox just have his number I guess. He didn't help himself either with all the walks he issued in those appearances. He may get help anyway, as Karsay should be back and ready for next year.
Quantrill started off the season strong then I think had some injury issues. He wasn't great, but he wasn't bad in the ALCS either.
Giambi, if he doesn't get over his myriad health issues, that's a lot of money we owe him.
Vasquez just needs to get his mechanics or his head straightened out. He looked like a very different pitcher earlier in the season.

In addition, I don't know that the Yanks can get rid of Lofton, but I got really sick of his unprofessional whining for playing time. That's not something that would've been tolerated on Yankee teams of the late 90s. Also agree with Presence about Clark and Sierra. Two excellent bench players who contributed mightily this year. It would be a shame for them to go, although Tony is getting a little long in the tooth. (Don't the Yankees also have Travis Lee stashed on an injury list somewhere?) I also liked Cairo. I thought he was a gritty player who may not be a big star like the rest of the Yankee infield, but certainly played with heart and every ounce of talent that he has. A starter to go with Moose and Lieber would be an excellent addition. The Yankee farm system looks rather bare so FA appears to be the only option.

Maybe we need to add Nomar. The successful Yankee teams of the last few years all had a prominent ex- Red Sock on them (i.e. Boggs & Clemens). Maybe that's the secret?

 

[geecee]

Originally posted by: Gibson486
I am not disagreeing with you guys, but maybe Arod's offensive shut down was due more to good pitching. Manny did absolutely nothing in this seires, but no one is saying that he quit on them.

The great ones find a way, good pitching or not. Had the Sox lost last one of the last two games, you can be sure there would be people pointing Damon & Ramirez's lack of production. And again, "quit" was a bit harsh on my part. I was playing the part of disappointed Yankee fan earlier.

 

[Glitchny]

Originally posted by: isasir
Realistically the Yankees are stuck with most of these guys, since they're the only team that could've afforded to pay their bloated salaries in the first place.

No one in their right mind would take Brown unless the Yankees paid most of his salary and even then, no one in their right mind would take Brown. Yanks are stuck with Giambi also.

Maybe the Yankees will buy Scott Kazmir from Tampa Bay.

No the yanks cant buy Kazmir, I want the Sox to buy him after they let Pedro or Lowe go..

 

[ThePresence]

I'm thinking Lowe may be a Yankee next year. He doesn't get along with Francona and he is a Boras guy too.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: geecee
Agree on Brown. I know people have been talking about it. I think the Yankees can buy him out or something like that.
Disagree on Gordon. He was pretty good during the season. The Sox just have his number I guess. He didn't help himself either with all the walks he issued in those appearances. He may get help anyway, as Karsay should be back and ready for next year.
Quantrill started off the season strong then I think had some injury issues. He wasn't great, but he wasn't bad in the ALCS either.
Giambi, if he doesn't get over his myriad health issues, that's a lot of money we owe him.
Vasquez just needs to get his mechanics or his head straightened out. He looked like a very different pitcher earlier in the season.

In addition, I don't know that the Yanks can get rid of Lofton, but I got really sick of his unprofessional whining for playing time. That's not something that would've been tolerated on Yankee teams of the late 90s. Also agree with Presence about Clark and Sierra. Two excellent bench players who contributed mightily this year. It would be a shame for them to go, although Tony is getting a little long in the tooth. (Don't the Yankees also have Travis Lee stashed on an injury list somewhere?) I also liked Cairo. I thought he was a gritty player who may not be a big star like the rest of the Yankee infield, but certainly played with heart and every ounce of talent that he has. A starter to go with Moose and Lieber would be an excellent addition. The Yankee farm system looks rather bare so FA appears to be the only option.

Maybe we need to add Nomar. The successful Yankee teams of the last few years all had a prominent ex- Red Sock on them (i.e. Boggs & Clemens). Maybe that's the secret?

Gordon had been lights out earlier in the season, so one can only ascertain that he was tired, along with Quantrill. Prior to the AS Break Quantrill's numbers were sparkling, after AS Break his ERA was 4.00 and just kept climbing. Giambi is probably washed up, ever since his laser surgery and *maybe* going off roids and losing all that muscle he's never been the same. He can no longer help NY "win now" and has become a liability, I think they need to move him and his salary. Vazquez was pitching superb earlier in the year, I think eventually the NY pressure got to him and he choked (like Conteras). He will be better next year... Brown, after pulling the stunt with his hand, needs to be shipped somewhere to a team that will either foot 100% or 50% of his salary. He's just too injury prone and not worth the investment.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I'm thinking Lowe may be a Yankee next year. He doesn't get along with Francona and he is a Boras guy too.

Do you really want to take a chance on Lowe??? Cashman would be strung up if he brought Lowe to NY... and btw did you know BK Kim is the 8th highest paid on Boston, more than Ortiz and Millar even? wth

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: tagej
Last nights games showed clearly two things. They showed what it great about baseball, and they showed what is so wrong with baseball.

It was great to see the sox and yanks battle it out all the way down to game 7. It was great watching the Cards win in 12 to push it to game 7.

It also showed what's wrong with baseball. The yankees will go out and just take the best players from other teams (Beltran, Zito etc), and be back in the playoffs next year. Meanwhile, other teams with less money still have no chance. It's like playing monopoly where 1 or 2 players start of with 5 times as much money as the rest of the players. Gee, who will win?? I don't blame the yankees, they are simply doing everything they can given the current system to win. I blame baseball owners and union leaders for not getting a proper revenue sharing model or salary cap in place so it's more of a level playing field.

You do realize that many of Boston's elite players were also bought? Manny from Cleveland, Pedro from the Expos, Foulke from the A's, Schilling from Arizona (yes, I know he was traded for, but the DBacks had to dump his salary and gave him away for peanuts).

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I'm thinking Lowe may be a Yankee next year. He doesn't get along with Francona and he is a Boras guy too.

Do you really want to take a chance on Lowe??? Cashman would be strung up if he brought Lowe to NY... and btw did you know BK Kim is the 8th highest paid on Boston, more than Ortiz and Millar even? wth

he certainly made a case for himself the way he pitched down the stretch and in bigtime games in the ALCS. Let's see how he pitches in the WS.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: Nutdotnet

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
So do you think the Yanks will aquire Beltran and half of the A's Pitching Staff during the off season?

Haha...they won't get our pitching this year, MAYBE next. We gotta sign Huddy and either Mulder or Zito. One is gonna have to split, and that's OK. We have Harden, and Blanton looked good down the stretch. We get rid of Redman, and I say Mulder. Why? More value and we need bats. I think Zito is a great number #3.

Not this year, but next I think our rotation will look like this-

Huddy
Harden
Zito
Blanton
Free Agent Pick up

You're an A's fan right? I'll say this, I think 2005 is our best shot @ winning the World Series. We have $$$ from Dye leaving, we have some primetime rooks ready to get their shot, and after we looked like a bunch of pansies down the stretch there will be a fire to get NorCal back in the playoffs!

I would have to disagree with you on who to keep. If it wasn't for the last few games where Mulder just lost it, he was our #1 starter and was last year too. Zito the last year was our #3 guy and this year was our #4 with Harden at #3. I say keep Hudson and Mulder

Mulder
Hudson
Harden
Blanton
Free agent/or redman

But I don't think 2005 is our best shot. We need a better bullpen and a stronger offense than this year's. And I don't see anyone out there that we can get for cheap that can replace Dye's offense. So we most likely will not have a strong offense next year and thats what killed the A's this year down the stretch.

They need to move to Santa Clara or San Jose so they can get butts in the seats so they can afford a larger payroll, that's what they need!

 

[spanky]

the yankees should sign pedro. after all, they are his daddies :laugh:

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I'm thinking Lowe may be a Yankee next year. He doesn't get along with Francona and he is a Boras guy too.

Do you really want to take a chance on Lowe??? Cashman would be strung up if he brought Lowe to NY... and btw did you know BK Kim is the 8th highest paid on Boston, more than Ortiz and Millar even? wth

he certainly made a case for himself the way he pitched down the stretch and in bigtime games in the ALCS. Let's see how he pitches in the WS.

You do know his ERA was higher than the number of continents on the earth this season? Also, maybe NY Yankee hitters just went completely cold and shut down due to the pressure and it wasn't Lowe? 2 starts against the same team doesn't tell me much, I think his reg season stats are more relevant.

 

[geecee]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I'm thinking Lowe may be a Yankee next year. He doesn't get along with Francona and he is a Boras guy too.

Do you really want to take a chance on Lowe??? Cashman would be strung up if he brought Lowe to NY... and btw did you know BK Kim is the 8th highest paid on Boston, more than Ortiz and Millar even? wth

he certainly made a case for himself the way he pitched down the stretch and in bigtime games in the ALCS. Let's see how he pitches in the WS.

You do know his ERA was higher than the number of continents on the earth this season? Also, maybe NY Yankee hitters just went completely cold and shut down due to the pressure and it wasn't Lowe? 2 starts against the same team doesn't tell me much, I think his reg season stats are more relevant.

Considering what the Yankees already have, the last thing they need is another Jekyll and Hyde head case on the staff.

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

They need to move to Santa Clara or San Jose so they can get butts in the seats so they can afford a larger payroll, that's what they need!

yes, hopefully the Expos moving to Washington DC and taking Baltimore's territory can help the A's case against the Giants.

 

[Storm]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I'm thinking Lowe may be a Yankee next year. He doesn't get along with Francona and he is a Boras guy too.

Do you really want to take a chance on Lowe??? Cashman would be strung up if he brought Lowe to NY... and btw did you know BK Kim is the 8th highest paid on Boston, more than Ortiz and Millar even? wth

he certainly made a case for himself the way he pitched down the stretch and in bigtime games in the ALCS. Let's see how he pitches in the WS.

You do know his ERA was higher than the number of continents on the earth this season? Also, maybe NY Yankee hitters just went completely cold and shut down due to the pressure and it wasn't Lowe? 2 starts against the same team doesn't tell me much, I think his reg season stats are more relevant.

Agreed a hell no on Lowe...

 

[Wag]

Costanza gone

Were the Yankees wearing all-cotton uniforms for this game?

 

[ThePresence]

Brian Cashman said today that George told him he still has his job for next year. *Whew*

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: JeffCos
Cashman...GONE!

nuh uh

 

[raildogg]

Flash Gorgon is one of the reasons we lost this series. And to some extent Rivera for giving the hit to Ortiz in game 4.

Yes Heredia is gone, but Gordon should be worried. You dont know what an "Angry" Boss will do ...

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: chrisms

Originally posted by: faenix
Seattle..

*chuckles*

Yes.. I see why you laugh. But words cannot explain my hatred for the Yankees.. and I don't mean that as sign of respect for them. I just really really hate them.

hate them, you arent the last one to hate them. we really dont care, because your team sticks so bad all you can do is hate the winner. No, the Yanks havent won the series in the past 4 years, but they define the word WINNER

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: isasir
Is Randy Johnson a free agent now?

If Olerud can be re-signed for cheap (He got paid $7mil this year apparently), then he'll stay. Giambi better get his ass into top form tho' since he ain't cheap.

I really hope Olerud comes back, hes a great guy and one of the best defesive first basemen. Hes also got a sweet swing ... not to mention hes one of the smarter players in baseball

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: chrisms
After reading this thread, I am even more sure that the Yankees and their fans are bastards.

EDIT: Bastards whose owner spends so much more on his team than any other organization that they are able to be the first to lose a series after leading 3-0. As I Mariners fan, I say go Red Sox

I hate people who come into other fans' team threads and talk about how much they hate a team especially when its completely irrelevant to the topic and right after a heartbreaking loss. Even the Sox fans have enough class to leave it alone. Or are they just too busy celebrating?

Nah, most of them are in the slammer this morning [/quote]

rofl