What are legitimate reasons for citizens owning guns?

[J.Wilkins]

Most of us don't want out and agree with how our supreme court ruled on the Constitution 2A. Your first mistake is believing that your opinion is absolute truth and anyone who doesn't agree is nuts.

Yeah, well regulated militia surely does give you the idea of any idiot even if mentally ill or blind... I mean, that is obvious to everyone who is functionally on the level of an amoeba.

Look anyone of sound mind can just read it and understand that you already have what is required in the form of the National Guard which is the states well regulated militia.

Anyone can do this and understand it except the people who have decided that they do NOT want to understand it. Those people are not any different than the people who have decided that they do NOT want to understand basic biology because it would interfere with their religion.

Not only does that mean that the dumbest people alive are the ones agreeing with what anyone of sound mind understands entirely differently but it also means that the most well armed are those that are functionally on the level of idiots.

So to me, it's unsurprising that something like the LA shooting or the Texas church shooting would happen, when idiots think that gun ownwership is great, only the idiots will own guns.

 

[J.Wilkins]

I'm aware enough that i'm sad for you. Bless your little heart.

*Pats the little child on the head*

She's not your mother, you can't threaten her with telling the neighbours that she's a whore like you would your mother.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Which is the most unrealistic, unachievable dream?

Playing nice will never happen, the "tool" is the only addressable aspect.

Well, you could become more like other western nations, all you would have to do is get rid of your false history that makes you believe that you are an exceptional nation filled with people who are better than anyone else.

If you could do that, if you could accept that the US was founded on oppression from the get go and teach that, then you might embrace your heritage and understand that you are a lot less exceptional which means that you COULD stand to learn from how other nations have handled problems before you.

And maybe then, you could realize that what worked in every single other western nation might just work in the US too.

 

[bradly1101]

Well, you could become more like other western nations, all you would have to do is get rid of your false history that makes you believe that you are an exceptional nation filled with people who are better than anyone else.

If you could do that, if you could accept that the US was founded on oppression from the get go and teach that, then you might embrace your heritage and understand that you are a lot less exceptional which means that you COULD stand to learn from how other nations have handled problems before you.

And maybe then, you could realize that what worked in every single other western nation might just work in the US too.

I agree, but we're too shortsighted. Learn the truth? Making up history is well-embraced propaganda. There are so many issues here that other modern countries don't have (healthcare, guns, discrimination...). I don't buy the arguments that we're too big or too diverse to fix anything. They could be saviors instead of excuses. Better minds are rare in our leadership, and swing we will, and swing back we will too. But the dream of fewer guns seems lost as is the dream that people will be, or will stay peaceable.

 

[FerrelGeek]

I love you, man!

/brohugs

Just to make it clear though, none of those things you're now committed to apply to me. I do own a Glock and I did take a basic safety class (along with my wife and older son) before I bought it. The first time I went shooting, I went with an experienced coworker who made sure I did everything by the book. I don't have a CCW and have no current wish to get one. I take the responsibility of owning a gun very seriously and am perfectly fine with people who don't want to have anything to do with them. That's what real freedom should be. But whatever.

Your last sentence was correct, btw.

Well you convinced me there is a legitimate reason to own a gun. In fact your argument is so convincing I just joined the NRA , turned republican, got myself a white pointy hat and cape, got a triple pass to the Ark museum, museum of creation and the newly opened museum of the bible. And I have become an ignorant asshole to finish my transformation.

Can we be friends now?

 

[Rifter]

Holy shit. How righteous you believe yourself to be. Thank Gawd someone has finally appointed themselves as the determiner of who values life more! You've a gift... Well, you may consider a gift. It's true, sometimes we must make a negative a positive.

I still hope if you are unarmed in a shit situation that you are safe. But what do I know? I don't value life.

Perhaps you should reread this very thread, its already happened here.

I chose "other" because the "hunting" option included "sporting" with it.

And then I only support it for hunting if proven there is a need in order to feed your family and even then I still think the guns (equipped with a tracking device) should have to be checked out for the day and returned. After rigorous training and a thorough background check that includes legal, military (if applicable) and mental records

Can't think of another reason (and this one doesn't even really count) any "citizen" should own a gun.

This guy thinks owning guns for hunting is ok, but not protection of life. Hunting is not needed to survive in this day and age, 200 years ago sure, but not today with grocery stores on every street corner, your life i would argue is indeed needed to survive. Thus placing the value of hunting above your right to protect your life.

None of the ones listed.

The only one I accept is farmers. They need to protect livestock and crops from rodents and wild predators.

Everyone else doesn't hold a legitimate reason. They hold an emotional one.

Spoiler

The emotion is fear! Boo!

This guy thinks only valid reason is for farmers to protect livestock and crops. But not for humans to protect human life, thus placing a higher value on livestock life and plant life than human life.

And thats just from this thread alone, if you look at the other firearms right threads you will see alot of the gun grabbers under the impression that you do not need a firearms to defend your life, and they try and offload their own personal security onto the goverment/police, which have no mandate to offer that protection. I would argue that someone who wants to use a firearm to take their personal security into their own hands, and realizes thats because they have to no one else will protect your life for you, this person values human life alot more than someone trying to offload their own personal security onto a government agency with no obligation to protect said life.

 

[jackstar7]

You do not need firearms to defend your life. I don't value livestock and crops above human life. Quite the inverse, given that I think guns end lives and so are not helpful to preserving it.

I'm also not here to grab anyone's guns.

Looks like you are riddled with insecurities.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Well, you could become more like other western nations, all you would have to do is get rid of your false history that makes you believe that you are an exceptional nation filled with people who are better than anyone else.

If you could do that, if you could accept that the US was founded on oppression from the get go and teach that, then you might embrace your heritage and understand that you are a lot less exceptional which means that you COULD stand to learn from how other nations have handled problems before you.

And maybe then, you could realize that what worked in every single other western nation might just work in the US too.

You guys miss the point of the 2A. The death from firearm homicide is rather low in this country, probably exceedingly slow if you never decide to commit suicide and don't live in an inner city. Not worth taking the rights of all for something that is a bigger worry in your mind than in reality. And I don't care what other countries do.

 

[Younigue]

*Pats the little child on the head*

She's not your mother, you can't threaten her with telling the neighbours that she's a whore like you would your mother.

That never bothered me anyway. Few women exist who haven't been called a whore. I know who I am. Whore does not apply therefore easily dismissed. Tajjy is weak and simple... It is sad that he knows who he is and embraces it.

 

[Younigue]

Perhaps you should reread this very thread, its already happened here.



This guy thinks owning guns for hunting is ok, but not protection of life. Hunting is not needed to survive in this day and age, 200 years ago sure, but not today with grocery stores on every street corner, your life i would argue is indeed needed to survive. Thus placing the value of hunting above your right to protect your life.



This guy thinks only valid reason is for farmers to protect livestock and crops. But not for humans to protect human life, thus placing a higher value on livestock life and plant life than human life.

And thats just from this thread alone, if you look at the other firearms right threads you will see alot of the gun grabbers under the impression that you do not need a firearms to defend your life, and they try and offload their own personal security onto the goverment/police, which have no mandate to offer that protection. I would argue that someone who wants to use a firearm to take their personal security into their own hands, and realizes thats because they have to no one else will protect your life for you, this person values human life alot more than someone trying to offload their own personal security onto a government agency with no obligation to protect said life.

I agree with jackstar. Where our paths diverge is if I had the ability or power, I would remove guns.

200 years? I'm from a very small town. The hunting my father (who didn't particularly enjoy having to do) did fed us through the winters.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

That never bothered me anyway. Few women exist who haven't been called a whore. I know who I am. Whore does not apply therefore easily dismissed. Tajjy is weak and simple... It is sad that he knows who he is and embraces it.

I just ignore it, usually from you and always from him. I highly value women, especially capable ones and I find your posturing repugnant, but knock yourself out.

 

[jackstar7]

You guys miss the point of the 2A. The death from firearm homicide is rather low in this country, probably exceedingly slow if you never decide to commit suicide and don't live in an inner city. Not worth taking the rights of all for something that is a bigger worry in your mind than in reality. And I don't care what other countries do.

I thought you needed the guns to defend yourself from the imminent threat of gun-murder-crime?

Lots of conflicting feelings in this thread from the gun-huggers.

 

[Atreus21]

So... You live in a city that resembles a third world shithole where this is needed? I live in London, I don't even lock my front door at night and apparently I'm smack in the middle of a "no go zone" according to Fox News.

I live in New Orleans. Yes it is needed. Things tend to cone into focus rather clearly when your neighbor next door gets carjacked sitting on her porch in the middle of the day.

 

[Atreus21]

You don't get the argument so you think it's just insults... I've not yet decided if you are plainly stupid or actually wilfully ignorant and yes, one is far worse than the other.

Whereas you seem oblivious to irony.

 

[bradly1101]

I live in New Orleans. Yes it is needed. Things tend to cone into focus rather clearly when your neighbor next door gets carjacked sitting on her pitch in the middle of the day.

Letting the car go is better than being in a gunfight, isn't it?

 

[ivwshane]

Letting the car go is better than being in a gunfight, isn't it?

Not to that cowboy hero! With a gun in his hand he's a well trained, cool under pressure, focused like a laser beam, type of individual and not, pants wetting, bumbling, idiot he portrays himself to be on the internet.

 

[wahdangun]

With so many crazy antifa, you american should have a gun

 

[mindless1]

Letting the car go is better than being in a gunfight, isn't it?

No, not necessarily. If the odds of it happening are low that's one thing but if you're in an environment were time after time you're dealing with punks, it would be foolish not to have some self defense. Merely showing a gun can deter many to move on to a softer target.

Remember, if crackhead car thieves were rational people they'd have a better way to score a ride. There's no certainty they won't take you along for their ride, rape you and dump your body in the river. Leaving you behind lets you call the police.

Nobody is forcing you to arm yourself. Ideally people would seek to move to a safer area.

The people who shouldn't have guns are those so emotionally unstable that they can't even have a conversation on the internet without attacking each other. If a little bit if text gets you that unhinged, sure you should stay away from anything more dangerous than a spoon.

 

[Atreus21]

Letting the car go is better than being in a gunfight, isn't it?

Putting one's life and that of one's family at the mercy of criminals is certainly not better.

You know I don't understand you. Earlier in this thread you said you had no faith in humanity. Yet you prefer, in this case, that a law abiding citizen entrust her life to a criminal.

What's increasingly striking in this thread are those that prefer (or say they prefer) powerlessness to power if they should ever be forced to fight for their lives.

 

[bradly1101]

No, not necessarily. If the odds of it happening are low that's one thing but if you're in an environment were time after time you're dealing with punks, it would be foolish not to have some self defense. Merely showing a gun can deter many to move on to a softer target.

Can't it also encourage them to pull out their gun (assuming they haven't already)? Doesn't the back and forth on this expose the folly of a weaponized society? "He might have a gun, therefore I should have one." "My gun will outweigh his threat, even the odds." Many reasons.

Remember, if crackhead car thieves were rational people they'd have a better way to score a ride. There's no certainty they won't take you along for their ride, rape you and dump your body in the river. Leaving you behind lets you call the police.

Yes much is possible.

The people who shouldn't have guns are those so emotionally unstable that they can't even have a conversation on the internet without attacking each other. If a little bit if text gets you that unhinged, sure you should stay away from anything more dangerous than a spoon.

Yet despite being unhinged and emotionally unstable, I (edit: or they I think?) could easily, legally buy a gun just like most other loons.

 

[bradly1101]

Putting one's life and that of one's family at the mercy of criminals is certainly not better.

What is the greater threat? If someone really wants to kill you they will, "brandishing" (God I hate that that word is in our lexicon) seems risky. Killing them first in an imagined scenario is brave, but is it realistic? Otherwise (IMO) risking lives over property is not wise.

You know I don't understand you. Earlier in this thread you said you had no faith in humanity. Yet you prefer, in this case, that a law abiding citizen entrust her life to a criminal.

I never said that, please don't try to put words in my mouth. As for the last sentence, I'm sorry, I have no words to even address your assertion.

What's increasingly striking in this thread are those that prefer (or say they prefer) powerlessness to power if they should ever be forced to fight for their lives.

Again nothing I could say about power and perceived power would be meaningful to you I think.

 

[Atreus21]

What is the greater threat? If someone really wants to kill you they will, "brandishing" (God I hate that that word is in our lexicon) seems risky. Killing them first in an imagined scenario is brave, but is it realistic? Otherwise (IMO) risking lives over property is not wise.

Any scenario is possible. Being armed may or may not save my life. But by being armed my chances of survival surely improve.

]I never said that, please don't try to put words in my mouth.

You are correct. Sorry about that.

As for the last sentence, I'm sorry, I have no words to even address your assertion.

Again nothing I could say about power and perceived power would be meaningful to you I think.

Being armed versus unarmed is an actual power imbalance, not just a perceived one.

 

[jackstar7]

Putting one's life and that of one's family at the mercy of criminals is certainly not better.

You know I don't understand you. Earlier in this thread you said you had no faith in humanity. Yet you prefer, in this case, that a law abiding citizen entrust her life to a criminal.

What's increasingly striking in this thread are those that prefer (or say they prefer) powerlessness to power if they should ever be forced to fight for their lives.

Maybe he just believes in not escalating already heightened situations. It's a fairly logical position to take, particularly when one might be escalating a situation where one's family is directly at risk.

 

[bradly1101]

Any scenario is possible. Being armed may or may not save my life. But by being armed my chances of survival surely improve.

You are correct. Sorry about that.

Being armed versus unarmed is an actual power imbalance, not just a perceived one.

Dude, you couched this thread as a way to learn what people's reasons are to have a gun. Did you learn anything new? Did any non-gun-person's comment(s) give you pause to reconsider anything? Or are you now more entrenched in what you already believed before you created this thread? Was all this for justification?

[Edit: I know that calling someone "dude" is an offense in some places, but around these parts it's a term of endearment.]

 

[EduCat]

OP needs to worry less about guns and more about moving his family out of the ghetto, IMO. Guns ain't gonna save you lol.