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What America needs. The Atlantic Magazine

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www.theatlantic.com

America Needs a Mass Movement—Now

Without one, America may sink into autocracy for decades.
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I have been considering a subscription to this publication because of the number of stories I can’t but would like to read. This is one. I have seen NYT articles and Atlantic articles here I believe that have guest invitations from subscribers.

I think this article is about exactly what America needs but I can only read the beginning of it. Is there anybody that can provide a full link? I think it would be worth reading. Hope it’s Ok to ask.
 
This article was really dumb. The mass movement is already building with the No Kings protests and 50501. And those large turnouts empower other organizations to stand up. Some pundits just love their stupid game of "wrong rock".
 
The critical question asked before I need to hand them a credit card number: Why hasn’t a resistance movement materialized here?
There are several very good reasons why that hasn't happened, and it only takes a few seconds of thought to come up with the answers. But the broadest and most inclusive answer is simple, the majority people agree with what Trump is doing to some extant. They might not like all of it, but enough to stand by and see how it all shakes out. That's me by the way. Not 100% behind Trump but more than 51%.
 
Greenman said:
The critical question asked before I need to hand them a credit card number: Why hasn’t a resistance movement materialized here?
There are several very good reasons why that hasn't happened, and it only takes a few seconds of thought to come up with the answers. But the broadest and most inclusive answer is simple, the majority people agree with what Trump is doing to some extant. They might not like all of it, but enough to stand by and see how it all shakes out. That's me by the way. Not 100% behind Trump but more than 51%.
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If wishful thinking were a post...

Trump is solidly in the red in every poll on every important issue.
 
Greenman said:
The critical question asked before I need to hand them a credit card number: Why hasn’t a resistance movement materialized here?
There are several very good reasons why that hasn't happened, and it only takes a few seconds of thought to come up with the answers. But the broadest and most inclusive answer is simple, the majority people agree with what Trump is doing to some extant. They might not like all of it, but enough to stand by and see how it all shakes out. That's me by the way. Not 100% behind Trump but more than 51%.
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Glad to see that you're finally admitting that you're okay with King Trump using the Constitution as toilet paper and all the other shit the administration is doing.
 
Greenman said:
The critical question asked before I need to hand them a credit card number: Why hasn’t a resistance movement materialized here?
There are several very good reasons why that hasn't happened, and it only takes a few seconds of thought to come up with the answers. But the broadest and most inclusive answer is simple, the majority people agree with what Trump is doing to some extant. They might not like all of it, but enough to stand by and see how it all shakes out. That's me by the way. Not 100% behind Trump but more than 51%.
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Resistance movements are indeed starting to materialize.

People are angry that ICE is hanging around outside of our elementary schools waiting to arrest children and their parents when the school day is done.

People are angry that ICE is arresting U.S. citizens and pointing guns at them.

People are angry that the Republicans cannot pass a budget and keep government open despite controlling congress and the presidency.

People are angry that we're letting Qatar establish and air base on U.S. soil.

People are angry that their money is worth 10% less today than when Trump took office.

People are angry that the price of food is up 30% since prior to the pandemic.

People are angry that they cannot get access to life saving COVID vaccinations.
 
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gothuevos said:
Such as....?
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For example, universities telling the government that their education compact for better funding can be stuffed where the sun doesn't shine. Large law firms standing up to the government (some didn't fold). Pentagon reporters and news agencies telling Hegseth to fuck off with his attempt to impose access restrictions. State governments standing up to federal overreach.

But you wouldn't know these things because you're only attuned to negative things.
 
Greenman said:
The critical question asked before I need to hand them a credit card number: Why hasn’t a resistance movement materialized here?
There are several very good reasons why that hasn't happened, and it only takes a few seconds of thought to come up with the answers. But the broadest and most inclusive answer is simple, the majority people agree with what Trump is doing to some extant. They might not like all of it, but enough to stand by and see how it all shakes out. That's me by the way. Not 100% behind Trump but more than 51%.
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I think that there's a massive leap in logic between "there's no resistance movement" and "therefore most people support him"!

There's a ton of reasons why people put up with bad things. Particularly in the US right now where it appears that you can get dragged off the street by armed paramilitaries and jailed without trial.
 
WelshBloke said:
I think that there's a massive leap in logic between "there's no resistance movement" and "therefore most people support him"!

There's a ton of reasons why people put up with bad things. Particularly in the US right now where it appears that you can get dragged off the street by armed paramilitaries and jailed without trial.
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Greenman doesn't have to worry about Kavanaugh Stops and Detentions because he's an old white man who will never face such minor inconveniences.

Also, there is a wide gulf of things between "people are quietly unhappy" and "active rebellion". But I would expect Greenman to see these things come up in his regular, right-wing news feed.
 
Greenman said:
The critical question asked before I need to hand them a credit card number: Why hasn’t a resistance movement materialized here?
There are several very good reasons why that hasn't happened, and it only takes a few seconds of thought to come up with the answers. But the broadest and most inclusive answer is simple, the majority people agree with what Trump is doing to some extant. They might not like all of it, but enough to stand by and see how it all shakes out. That's me by the way. Not 100% behind Trump but more than 51%.
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A Nazi voted for a Nazi and likes the Nazi shit the Nazi he elected is doing. Who would have thought it it possible?
 
Jaskalas said:
Just look at Russia. Russians put up with becoming meat for the grinder. Slaves to a master they are not allowed to question.
A monopoly on force and violence remains very persuasive.
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You should also consider Russian history. There is a substantially long history of being under the thumb of the government, from the Tsars through the Soviet Union.

And it's not the monopoly on force and violence. The Weberian state is the monopoly on legitimate violence. Something to keep in mind: a democracy can't legitimately unmake itself into a dictatorship, because power derives from the people, and the people cannot divest that inherent power.
 
Brainonska511 said:
Greenman doesn't have to worry about Kavanaugh Stops and Detentions because he's an old white man who will never face such minor inconveniences.

Also, there is a wide gulf of things between "people are quietly unhappy" and "active rebellion". But I would expect Greenman to see these things come up in his regular, right-wing news feed.
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I wonder which parts he supports? The weakening of American farms? Losing trade to China? Ignoring due process? Violating the constitution? Subverting the will of Congress? Giving money to foreign countries in exchange for investment that enriches Trump personally? Requiring the press to only report things their administration approves of? The threatening of private companies who have said mean things about him? Higher gas prices? The rising inflation? The gutting of federal institutions and the rehiring of the employees? The government shut down? The denial of science in various institutions? Or is it the rounding up of brown people?

Hmm…hard to say
 
Greenman said:
The critical question asked before I need to hand them a credit card number: Why hasn’t a resistance movement materialized here?
There are several very good reasons why that hasn't happened, and it only takes a few seconds of thought to come up with the answers. But the broadest and most inclusive answer is simple, the majority people agree with what Trump is doing to some extant. They might not like all of it, but enough to stand by and see how it all shakes out. That's me by the way. Not 100% behind Trump but more than 51%.
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@Greenman, you've made an assertion, care to support it with actual evidence?
 
Greenman said:
The critical question asked before I need to hand them a credit card number: Why hasn’t a resistance movement materialized here?
There are several very good reasons why that hasn't happened, and it only takes a few seconds of thought to come up with the answers. But the broadest and most inclusive answer is simple, the majority people agree with what Trump is doing to some extant. They might not like all of it, but enough to stand by and see how it all shakes out. That's me by the way. Not 100% behind Trump but more than 51%.
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The actual citizens of America say you're wrong. He's not just in the negatives overall, he's in the negatives on every major issue.


It's not hard to see why that is - the government has been simultaneously lawless AND incompetent. The economy is rapidly souring, and Trump is actively working to make it worse. People don't like that.
 
brycejones said:
@Greenman, you've made an assertion, care to support it with actual evidence?
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It's an incorrect assertion. He's making it black and white. If there is no resistance/protest, that means that Americans support what the president is doing. It's not that simple. The vast majority oppose what he is doing, but the vast majority also don't want to get tackled and tear gassed by ICE or put on a federal watch list.
 
Greenman said:
The critical question asked before I need to hand them a credit card number: Why hasn’t a resistance movement materialized here?
There are several very good reasons why that hasn't happened, and it only takes a few seconds of thought to come up with the answers. But the broadest and most inclusive answer is simple, the majority people agree with what Trump is doing to some extant. They might not like all of it, but enough to stand by and see how it all shakes out. That's me by the way. Not 100% behind Trump but more than 51%.
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It only takes a few seconds of thought to come up with an answer that matches your feels. Riveting.
 
Greenman said:
The critical question asked before I need to hand them a credit card number: Why hasn’t a resistance movement materialized here?
There are several very good reasons why that hasn't happened, and it only takes a few seconds of thought to come up with the answers. But the broadest and most inclusive answer is simple, the majority people agree with what Trump is doing to some extant. They might not like all of it, but enough to stand by and see how it all shakes out. That's me by the way. Not 100% behind Trump but more than 51%.
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Are you telling us this is the case even if Trump starts snatching white people off the streets and sending them to undisclosed locations? What you are admitting this is a racist country.

Just so we have it for the record which parts of Trump are you NOT behind? Let's see that list
 
Pontius Dilate said:
It only takes a few seconds of thought to come up with an answer that matches your feels. Riveting.
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It is actually very common in conservative circles - they often genuinely believe the country secretly agrees with them on most things but don't talk about it. It's part of why they think conservatives only lose elections because liberals cheated.

It's also immune to evidence because if you show them polls to the contrary they claim the polls are rigged too. So when they hear their views aren't popular? Fake, because it's rigged against them. When they actually lose the election in line with the polls do they reconsider and think they might have been wrong? No, that's just evidence the elections are rigged too.

There is no world where conservative are emotionally capable of admitting their views are unpopular.
 
pete6032 said:
It's an incorrect assertion. He's making it black and white. If there is no resistance/protest, that means that Americans support what the president is doing. It's not that simple. The vast majority oppose what he is doing, but the vast majority also don't want to get tackled and tear gassed by ICE or put on a federal watch list.
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Let's be honest it's now like he will respond to my post in any meaningful way, because that's how he dodges uncomfortable truths.
 
WelshBloke said:
I think that there's a massive leap in logic between "there's no resistance movement" and "therefore most people support him"!

There's a ton of reasons why people put up with bad things. Particularly in the US right now where it appears that you can get dragged off the street by armed paramilitaries and jailed without trial.
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It amounts to the same thing. If the majority hate what Trump is doing but won't risk being uncomfortable to stop him then they're accepting his actions.
 
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