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[fskimospy]

It amounts to the same thing. If the majority hate what Trump is doing but won't risk being uncomfortable to stop him then they're accepting his actions.

So by your logic you approved of what Obama and Biden did. Who knew!

 

[WelshBloke]

It amounts to the same thing. If the majority hate what Trump is doing but won't risk being uncomfortable to stop him then they're accepting his actions.

Eh? So if someone robs you with violence and you give them your wallet because you don't want to get shot then that means that you support their actions?

Edit: and according to Trump a lot of the US is in such a state of protest he has to send the troops in!

 

[Pontius Dilate]

So by your logic you approved of what Obama and Biden did. Who knew!

By the same logic I think we can safely say if people who oppose it accept it then people who voted for it explicitly agree with it.

 

[ivwshane]

It amounts to the same thing. If the majority hate what Trump is doing but won't risk being uncomfortable to stop him then they're accepting his actions.

Honestly, I don’t think you are wrong but that doesn’t mean they approve of them.

Apathy is a democracy killer.

 

[Greenman]

Eh? So if someone robs you with violence and you give them your wallet because you don't want to get shot then that means that you support their actions?

Edit: and according to Trump a lot of the US is in such a state of protest he has to send the troops in!

If that straw man catches fire half the state will burn down.
Lets come back to reality. The people being taken off the streets aren't supposed to be here. The few that are accosted and have ID that supports their right to be here walk away after a couple questions.
The protesters that try to interfere with ICE get dragged away have their day in court. They also have legal representation.

Every person in this country is a legal resident or an illegal resident (excluding travelers who are temporary). It's a binary situation, and one that's the case in every first world country. I don't think there is any other first world nation that would tolerate over 13 million illegal immigrants.

 

[Brainonska511]

The people being taken off the streets aren't supposed to be here. The few that are accosted and have ID that supports their right to be here walk away after a couple questions.

Tell that to >170 US citizens who have been detained by ICE, some for >2 days.

 

[fskimospy]

If that straw man catches fire half the state will burn down.
Lets come back to reality. The people being taken off the streets aren't supposed to be here. The few that are accosted and have ID that supports their right to be here walk away after a couple questions.
The protesters that try to interfere with ICE get dragged away have their day in court. They also have legal representation.

Every person in this country is a legal resident or an illegal resident (excluding travelers who are temporary). It's a binary situation, and one that's the case in every first world country. I don't think there is any other first world nation that would tolerate over 13 million illegal immigrants.

Let's come back to reality, yes.

First, your statement that people can walk away after a few questions is ludicrously false:

More Than 170 U.S. Citizens Have Been Held by Immigration Agents. They’ve Been Kicked, Dragged and Detained for Days.

The government does not track how often immigration agents grab citizens. So ProPublica did. Our tally — almost certainly incomplete — includes people who were held for days without a lawyer. And nearly 20 children, two of whom have cancer.

www.propublica.org

Hell, we are even deporting US citizens.

Families with citizen children deported by ICE sue Trump administration • Louisiana Illuminator

The deported children range in age from 2 to 11 years old, and one — a 4-year-old — has stage-four kidney cancer, according to the lawsuit.

lailluminator.com

Armed with this knowledge are you willing to admit you've made a grievous error in supporting Trump?

 

[Jaskalas]

Hell, we are even deporting US citizens.

MAGA Nazis do not consider "anchor babies" to be US citizens.
They want them deported, is that not so?
So your example is a feature, not a bug.

 

[HomerJS]

The critical question asked before I need to hand them a credit card number: Why hasn’t a resistance movement materialized here?
There are several very good reasons why that hasn't happened, and it only takes a few seconds of thought to come up with the answers. But the broadest and most inclusive answer is simple, the majority people agree with what Trump is doing to some extant. They might not like all of it, but enough to stand by and see how it all shakes out. That's me by the way. Not 100% behind Trump but more than 51%.

I know you people hate the comparison but a majority of Germans(>51%) in 1939 did not approve of Hitler starting another war and somehow they were unable to stop him.

 

[fskimospy]

I know you people hate the comparison but a majority of Germans(>51%) in 1939 did not approve of Hitler starting another war and somehow they were unable to stop him.

In the last free and fair election held in Weimar Germany the Nazis got ~33% of the vote.

November 1932 German federal election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

@Greenman - were 51% of Germans actually secretly in support of the Nazis?

 

[Moonbeam]

The critical question asked before I need to hand them a credit card number: Why hasn’t a resistance movement materialized here?
There are several very good reasons why that hasn't happened, and it only takes a few seconds of thought to come up with the answers. But the broadest and most inclusive answer is simple, the majority people agree with what Trump is doing to some extant. They might not like all of it, but enough to stand by and see how it all shakes out. That's me by the way. Not 100% behind Trump but more than 51%.

In my opinion this would be the natural conclusion of someone who believes that real conservative values are under threat. Let’s take the example of a pre civil war conservative slaver holding bigot. His wealth and system of social advancement depends on his capacity to earn a living on the backs of slaves and so his live is good as long as the system is maintained. The abolitionists are therefore seen as evil and that feeling is easily cemented by the threat to his good life calling him evil for his self-centered bigotry. In the world that he inhabits, the majority feel the same.

Every person whose value system is based on wrong notions off what is good, easily understood by every ferr nan who has been enslaved, will clutch at every self- justification to flatter and worship his own personal good.

In short, liberals are telling you that what you call the good is blind bigotry and you will reject it because they try to use condemnation of your morality as a means to force you to change. Such threats to your assumptions as to what the good really is will only affirm your suspicions that you are up against real evil.

That is why I believe the only cure for bigotry is sincerity, a love of the truth no matter the personal cost. This is why to be a liberal you have to be a conservative first. To be conservative is to hold to one’s values, to be liberal is to see which values are real.
My opinion.

 

[Moonbeam]

I know you people hate the comparison but a majority of Germans(>51%) in 1939 did not approve of Hitler starting another war and somehow they were unable to stop him.

Dictators come to power on the back of the presence of injustice. They skillfully divide by playing a blame game. After WW1 the victors imposed undue punishment on Germany and that was projected on the ajews. Victorious Europe killed 6 million Jews and up to 80 million people high estimate died. The Nazis got the blame.

No injustice after the first war, no Hitler rising to power.

No capitalisn created inequality, no Trump.

 

[HomerJS]

It amounts to the same thing. If the majority hate what Trump is doing but won't risk being uncomfortable to stop him then they're accepting his actions.

Wow, who knew the majority of people are for protecting pedophiles

 

[brycejones]

It amounts to the same thing. If the majority hate what Trump is doing but won't risk being uncomfortable to stop him then they're accepting his actions.

This post has”legitimate rape” vibes. Congrats!

 

[Paratus]

Greenman believes we are a weak country. 3-4% of the country being “illegal” immigrants can easily overthrow our way life and subjugate real American citizens. There is simply no way we could absorb these non-Americans. I mean 6 democratic senators are too much. How can we possibly deal with millions of immigrants.

Any response, even masked gunmen grabbing a few hundred real citizens off the street by “accident” is preferable to allowing the anarchy caused by illegal immigrants in border cities like Portland and Chicago.

 

[WelshBloke]

If that straw man catches fire half the state will burn down.

I mean it was exaggerated to make a point! But if you got taken off the streets and detained there's a good chance you'd lose your job? Then lose your health care, maybe lose your house?
That would put me off protesting too much!

Lets come back to reality. The people being taken off the streets aren't supposed to be here. The few that are accosted and have ID that supports their right to be here walk away after a couple questions.

I'm going to have to disagree with you here. There's plenty of reports of people being held for no reason.

The protesters that try to interfere with ICE get dragged away have their day in court. They also have legal representation.

Or just get shot in the head with "non lethal" rounds at peaceful protests.

Every person in this country is a legal resident or an illegal resident (excluding travelers who are temporary). It's a binary situation, and one that's the case in every first world country. I don't think there is any other first world nation that would tolerate over 13 million illegal immigrants.

This is ignoring that even if you are ok with what ICE are doing in US cities there's a ton of other stuff that Trumps doing that's unconstitutional, illegal and things that if a Democratic President were doing I'm fairly sure you'd be having a shit fit over!

 

[hal2kilo]

Greenman believes we are a weak country. 3-4% of the country being “illegal” immigrants can easily overthrow our way life and subjugate real American citizens. There is simply no way we could absorb these non-Americans. I mean 6 democratic senators are too much. How can we possibly deal with millions of immigrants.

Any response, even masked gunmen grabbing a few hundred real citizens off the street by “accident” is preferable to allowing the anarchy caused by illegal immigrants in border cities like Portland and Chicago.

Probably going to need a /s.

 

[Paratus]

Probably going to need a /s.

Sadly you are probably right.

 

[Pontius Dilate]

Let's come back to reality, yes.

First, your statement that people can walk away after a few questions is ludicrously false:

More Than 170 U.S. Citizens Have Been Held by Immigration Agents. They’ve Been Kicked, Dragged and Detained for Days.

The government does not track how often immigration agents grab citizens. So ProPublica did. Our tally — almost certainly incomplete — includes people who were held for days without a lawyer. And nearly 20 children, two of whom have cancer.

www.propublica.org

Hell, we are even deporting US citizens.

Families with citizen children deported by ICE sue Trump administration • Louisiana Illuminator

The deported children range in age from 2 to 11 years old, and one — a 4-year-old — has stage-four kidney cancer, according to the lawsuit.

lailluminator.com

Armed with this knowledge are you willing to admit you've made a grievous error in supporting Trump?

Willful ignorance is a helluva drug and Greenman’s a hopeless addict.

 

[fskimospy]

Willful ignorance is a helluva drug and Greenman’s a hopeless addict.

Yes, and you can tell because when he is confronted with things like this he just shuts down.

 

[IronWing]

If that straw man catches fire half the state will burn down.
Lets come back to reality. The people being taken off the streets aren't supposed to be here. The few that are accosted and have ID that supports their right to be here walk away after a couple questions.
The protesters that try to interfere with ICE get dragged away have their day in court. They also have legal representation.

Every person in this country is a legal resident or an illegal resident (excluding travelers who are temporary). It's a binary situation, and one that's the case in every first world country. I don't think there is any other first world nation that would tolerate over 13 million illegal immigrants.

Stop lying.

Oh, and fuck off, Nazi.

 

[BoomerD]

Wow, who knew the majority of people are for protecting pedophiles

Yet he and the other righties over at that other side sure love to hammer on Red Dawn for not turning in someone (to the police…he reported it to his boss who supposedly was friends with the guy) who had child porn on a laptop Red was working on 20-30 years ago.

But that’s different…