What am I missing? Not that impressed with the 7800 GTX!

[Creig]

This is what we believe will happen when we analysed many intels that we got from the usual suspects.

Originally posted by: apoppin


simple as 1 . . . 2 . . . 3 [err . . 4. . . 5]:roll:

I lost track. Who's on first?

 

[ryanv12]

Ha, I love the battle for the performance crown at the top. It's not like many people even buy those top cards. It's just ammunition for the fanboys. Personally, I'm going to see which card at the ~$300-350 price point wins in OpenGL games. I suppose I'll be purchasing another nvidia card most likely.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Sentential

Originally posted by: Ronin
Go back and fanboi on their threads please. How about a P4D system, and benchmarks, before it ever saw the market? How about a Dual Opt275 and benchmarks before it ever hit the market? How about 3dMark scores of a 6800 from E3 last year, long before it hit the market?

Boy, don't trifle with me. You're out of your league.

Lol... I'm supposed to be afraid of that? Where's your proof? He's already stepped up to the plate. One can claim just about anything on the internet and say "oh well I was under NDA".

If you can prove this guy is wrong I will take what I said back. Until you can your "points / threats" hold no weight what so ever.

How can Ronin prove him wrong when he's under NDA, you frickin morons? :roll: This has been explained already in the thread, so take the time to read it or don't reply with useless nonsense.

Best post i have seen in a while ;thumbsup;.

Maybe if Zendari can take his head out of his a$$ for a while instead of flaming everyone he will understand this.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: zendari
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. You sound like such a crybaby; again, report him. Clearly if he's done this before, people have let it go.

I have no reason to doubt the accuracy of his results, regardless of NDA status.

Originally posted by: Ronin

I can cry on forums all I want.

Fixed.

Zendari:
When you sign an NDA with a firm you're making a legal agreement with the firm to not disclose any advance information you get. Beyond that, it's breaking your word to a firm that has done you a big favor by giving you access to information and hardware in advance of the public.

There's nothing "cool" or "good" about the guy breaking his NDA, he's divulging trade secrets he's legally and ethically bound to keep.

Who said anything about "cool"? The question is why you care so much...unless you work for Nvidia?

I don't care much, just puzzled why you think it's a good thing this guy is breaking NDA?
If I worked for nVidia, posting about how this is wrong in a forum isn't the way I'd go about rectifying it?

 

[Sentential]

Originally posted by: X
I thought part of the standard NDA was not to tell others you are participating it. Is that not the case for Nvidia and ATI?

Thats correct. Letting people know that he's had the card for 2 weeks breaks his NDA as it is. Unless you have a track record of pre-release stuff, please stop this nonsense.

If your scores are significantally better, wonderful. But c'mon, no sense in being such a vicious detractor. Time will prove that you are right, if you are, although I am doubtful you are.

 

[Zebo]

Man that sucks! slow!... A mild OC an a 850XT will do this easy. I score 6200 on a OC GT both a year old.

 

[ryanv12]

So when are you ordering one, Zebo?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: ryanv12
So when are you ordering one, Zebo?

meh Refresh -- nV's odd integer releases always are meh or buggy

I've bought every nforce chipset and every geforce card always the same.

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Man that sucks! slow!... A mild OC an a 850XT will do this easy. I score 6200 on a OC GT both a year old.

Zebs, I thought you of all people would know better than to make conclusions around Inquirer 3dmark benches, ffs.

 

[Zebo]

Yeah I know but I expected at least 8000 even with shotty driver supports.

 

[Sentential]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Yeah I know but I expected at least 8000 even with shotty driver supports.

I agree completely.

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: sandorski
Not breaking the NDA is fine, but he sure could tame his responses about it. He comes off like an ass.

Seconded.

Says the ATi fanboi prick.

Please, give it a rest.

If I come off like an ass, oh well. It's because I see a lot of idiocy here, and people who 'think' they know, when the reality is they don't. Creig, you're one of them. Zend is another. Bouv is another. And the list goes on. People that live to argue, and the only input they can provide is loose information off half-reputable sites.

I lose my patience when ignorance is so blatant, as most people would.

Oh, and Zend, if you're going to change a comment, at least make it funny. Yours wasn't. Get a sense of humor.

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: Sentential

Originally posted by: X
I thought part of the standard NDA was not to tell others you are participating it. Is that not the case for Nvidia and ATI?

Thats correct. Letting people know that he's had the card for 2 weeks breaks his NDA as it is. Unless you have a track record of pre-release stuff, please stop this nonsense.

If your scores are significantally better, wonderful. But c'mon, no sense in being such a vicious detractor. Time will prove that you are right, if you are, although I am doubtful you are.

Actually, no, but thanks. If you ever SIGNED an NDA, you'd actually know, but obviously you don't. Go back to your hole, troll.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
STOP MAKING ASSUMPTIONS. WAIT UNTIL THE DAMN CARD IS RELEASED

Edit: (Not directing that at you Ronin)

-Kevin

Getting stressed? This is what people do here (make asumptions) or state they are under nda and make cryptic fud. Personally I expect this to be a great card, but to compete with the upcoming consoles will be tough. I am most interested in how quiet the single slot solution is as rumours seem to indicate the Ati card is hot and therefore likely noisy.

would you rather have it dull and boring?

there are forums like that
:Q

and now you are even spreading rumours about ATI.
:shocked:

Anyway PC HW will not compete with consoles for quite awhile [especially if we include the game support] although i expect the next years' next gen GPUs to better their console counterparts.

this Fall - a 6800u or cheaper 7800 will be my last upgrade till '08 . . . other than games there is no compelling reason for me to get a faster rig than i have - when do you think Office apps and Internet browsing will require 3+ Ghz and 1GB RAM? . . . i don't mind waiting for my video to encode

in the meantime, i hope to hook up a KB+Mouse to a next gen console . . . my PC will be relegated to a few PC-only next-gen titles and office work . . . kinda sad really

[of course, i'll be back in '08 . . . when PC games take full advantage of physics cards, muiti-threaded games on HT-threaded multi-core CPUs with buckets of system RAM and SLI'd [or amr'd] [and maybe] dual-GPUs on a single card with 1GB of vRAM
:thumbsup:

How have i spread rumors about ATI?

I only capitalized because bold with lower case didn't look right

Additionally, i have no problem with a good debate. However people keep trying turning these rumors into reality, and begin making judgement on unreleased products, which is annoying.

-Kevin

All the sites are like this now. Full of people claiming to be under nda making cryptic statements and/or bizzare predictions. (must make them feel important) Problem is the people really under nda are saying nothing at this time, so this is all we have. :beer:

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Yeah I know but I expected at least 8000 even with shotty driver supports.

And the card may well do that. Besides, I'm a little more concerned with real life performance than 3dmuck. If the Inq was repoting SANDRA bandwidth scores for value RAM vs. LL, would you be disappointed?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Sentential

Originally posted by: BouZouki
im not impressed either

Even more-so are their overclocks. So far an X.I.P from xs only managed 501 / 1307. No offense but from a card on .11nm thats pretty pathetic. I would expect atleast in the 550 range.

LOL!!!! Yeah I agree. a core speed of 450 max from an 11nm X800XL is pretty pathetic. I agree with you. :roll:

You guys crack me up sometimes speaking before your thinking.
6800 222 million transistors 16 pipes .13u at 350MHz
7800 303 million transistors 24 pipes .11u at 430MHz

Look, I may have gotten up on the wrong side of the bed this morning, so I apologize ahead of time. But c'mon people, look at the specs before jumping to conclusions.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: zendari
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. You sound like such a crybaby; again, report him. Clearly if he's done this before, people have let it go.

I have no reason to doubt the accuracy of his results, regardless of NDA status.

Originally posted by: Ronin

I can cry on forums all I want.

Fixed.

Zendari:
When you sign an NDA with a firm you're making a legal agreement with the firm to not disclose any advance information you get. Beyond that, it's breaking your word to a firm that has done you a big favor by giving you access to information and hardware in advance of the public.

There's nothing "cool" or "good" about the guy breaking his NDA, he's divulging trade secrets he's legally and ethically bound to keep.

Who said anything about "cool"? The question is why you care so much...unless you work for Nvidia?

I don't care much, just puzzled why you think it's a good thing this guy is breaking NDA?
If I worked for nVidia, posting about how this is wrong in a forum isn't the way I'd go about rectifying it?

It certianly seems to be the way Ronin is rectifying it.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Sentential

Originally posted by: BouZouki
im not impressed either

Even more-so are their overclocks. So far an X.I.P from xs only managed 501 / 1307. No offense but from a card on .11nm thats pretty pathetic. I would expect atleast in the 550 range.

LOL!!!! Yeah I agree. a core speed of 450 max from an 11nm X800XL is pretty pathetic. I agree with you. :roll:

You guys crack me up sometimes speaking before your thinking.
6800 222 million transistors 16 pipes .13u at 350MHz
7800 303 million transistors 24 pipes .11u at 430MHz

Look, I may have gotten up on the wrong side of the bed this morning, so I apologize ahead of time. But c'mon people, look at the specs before jumping to conclusions.

exactly theres more to clock speeds than just the gpus process size. every time u shrink to a new fab you increase current leakage and the like and that slows things down, you've got over 300million (TRANNIES!) there and those trannies will be generating lots of sweaty heat for $5 an hour.

its never just as simple as new smaller fab = instant speed bump.

 

[Sentential]

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: Sentential

Originally posted by: X
I thought part of the standard NDA was not to tell others you are participating it. Is that not the case for Nvidia and ATI?

Thats correct. Letting people know that he's had the card for 2 weeks breaks his NDA as it is. Unless you have a track record of pre-release stuff, please stop this nonsense.

If your scores are significantally better, wonderful. But c'mon, no sense in being such a vicious detractor. Time will prove that you are right, if you are, although I am doubtful you are.

Actually, no, but thanks. If you ever SIGNED an NDA, you'd actually know, but obviously you don't. Go back to your hole, troll.

When your NDA expires prove to us why its wrong.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: sandorski
Not breaking the NDA is fine, but he sure could tame his responses about it. He comes off like an ass.

Seconded.

Says the ATi fanboi prick.

Please, give it a rest.

If I come off like an ass, oh well. It's because I see a lot of idiocy here, and people who 'think' they know, when the reality is they don't. Creig, you're one of them. Zend is another. Bouv is another. And the list goes on. People that live to argue, and the only input they can provide is loose information off half-reputable sites.

I lose my patience when ignorance is so blatant, as most people would.

Oh, and Zend, if you're going to change a comment, at least make it funny. Yours wasn't. Get a sense of humor.

You have *might* have access to cards ahead of the general public and it went straight to your ego. So far all I've seen is some little kid who knows how to "type tough".

I posted a legitimate hypothesis on ATI's upcoming video cards and you responded like some 12 year old delinquent.

Get over yourself.

 

[Ronin]

I don't need to, but you certainly should. You are part of a collective that really knows nothing at all.

Talk tough? I don't need to talk tough, but I can sure as hell walk the walk.

I responded to your idiocy, and nothing else. As far as my ego is concerned, it's well in check, but your intelligence seems to have let go a long time ago, as well as your people skills.

 

[xtknight]

who cares...it's not worth arguing over whether someone has NDA or whatever...we'll find out the real scores when it's released (even though I hate that cliche). Just wait four more days and they'll be all over review sites. IF it is the real score I'd be hoping for a little more as well. maybe driver releases will help. here's something worth noting:

Originally posted by: Sentential
Speak of the devil...

http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=AA35630

7800 GTX-$649. I can't say I'm surprised in the least. In fact I'm surprised it's that low. Regardless, there's no way I'm ever paying that much for a video card, even when hell freezes over.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Ronin
I don't need to, but you certainly should. You are part of a collective that really knows nothing at all.

Talk tough? I don't need to talk tough, but I can sure as hell walk the walk.

I responded to your idiocy, and nothing else. As far as my ego is concerned, it's well in check, but your intelligence seems to have let go a long time ago, as well as your people skills.

You're commenting on MY people skills? The guy who responded to my POLITE question with "Take your head out of your ass and look at the business aspect, and perhaps use some common sense in the interim" says I need to work on my people skills?

That's rich.

As far as "idiocy", what I described is EXACTLY what ATI has done with their last two generations of cores. They disabled pipelines on good/faulty cores in order to use them on lower end cards in order to save money and increase sales. Why WOULDN'T they continue this trend? It seems to have worked pretty well up to now. Nvidia does it as well, otherwise people wouldn't be "unlocking" 6800NUs.

If you want to carry on a civil conversation without all the name calling, then fine. I was actually asking you for useful information on current G70 yield figures if you happen to know them. If those are under NDA as well, then just say so. Otherwise I'd be interested in knowing how well Nvidia is doing with its newest release.

And contrary to what you might believe, I am no ATI fanboy. I stuck with and purchased more Nvidia cards than ATI. So far, 2 TNT2, 2 GF256, 2 GF2, 1 GF3 and my lone ATI card (9500NP) is sitting in a DFI LanParty NF2. The only reason I haven't upgraded yet is that it still manges to game to my satisfaction. When it gets that I'm no longer happy with its performance, then I'll look at both ATI and Nvidia and see which offers the best bang for my buck at the performance level I'm looking for. I don't go out and purchase every single new generation card simply for the sake of owning one. Computer hardware depreciates fast enough already without compounding it like that. I buy what I need, when I feel I need it.

The only reason I may appear to be an ATI fan is from having to refute certain members who constantly spread misinformation about ATI products only. Both ATI and Nvidia make good hardware and I prefer to see both fairly represented here.

 

[Sentential]

More scores and pictures:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=917578&posted=1#post917578

Ronin stop while you are ahead. Even if you are right it doesnt change the fact that you are being a real asshole right now.

 

[Ronin]

Oh well, bud. Doesn't change the fact that you're a world class idiot who fanboi's Xtremesystems.

You hang out over there all you want, where the egos are large and the bullshvt is larger.