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What am I missing? Not that impressed with the 7800 GTX!
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Aquila76
Diamond Member
Yep. Botched on the high end cards, but OK on the 6600 series and 6800NU.
I haven't gotten the WMVHD decoding to work right yet on my SLI'd 6600GT's. I think I have a driver issue, though. I used a beta 76 series driver that apparently FUBAR'd the video subsystem. I removed and Driver Cleaned the 76 driver and installed the 71.89 (and MS's WMVHD acceleration patches), but it still isn't running as smooth as it should. At least it's not BSoD'ing anymore.
I'll be waiting to see how the G70's actually perform, but I may take a midrange SLI pair, if it's worth it.
Wow, I cannot believe all of the nonsense in this thread. Let's look at a couple of things:
1. First of all, any and all early results from both the G70 and r520 cards should be taken with a grain of salt. Why do you ask? BECAUSE NON OF THESE ARE FINAL CARDS. Until we have RETAIL samples in the possess of enthusiasts and credible websites then all of these scores are moot. Hell, many of the "results" we have seen today could have been easily forged for all we know.
2. Even if the 3D Mark 05 results were true, it's really not a good basis to say "This card is better than the other, and so on." Anyone familiar with the Futuremark suite knows that benchmarks simply cannot account for real-world performance across all platforms. Let's take the 6600GT as an example. For the most part, a 9800 Pro will always outperform a 6600GT in 3D Mark 2001. Does this mean that the 9800 is a better video card? Of course not; real-world performance benchmarks have clearly shown us that the 6600GT has the edge especially when overclocked. The same analogy can be said about the x800XT and a 6800 Ultra; a higher 3D Mark score for either card does not necessarily translate to real-world performance.
3. Some of you have made it a point to bash individuals who claim to know more but cannot say anything due to NDA (non-disclosure agreements for all you out there). To those that fit in this category: you ought to be ashamed. How can you ask for prove from those who are legally bound to silence? Nothing more than simple egging on in this case. Worst of all, such behavior does nothing but deteriorates this thread further. I could name a few names, but those individuals already know who they are.
What have we learned today?
1. Don't believe the numbers unless we have credible reviews.
2. Fanboyism is pretty lame: I don't think that NVIDIA or ATI is paying any of you to rant so much.
3. Benchmarks aren't everything.
1. First of all, any and all early results from both the G70 and r520 cards should be taken with a grain of salt. Why do you ask? BECAUSE NON OF THESE ARE FINAL CARDS. Until we have RETAIL samples in the possess of enthusiasts and credible websites then all of these scores are moot. Hell, many of the "results" we have seen today could have been easily forged for all we know.
2. Even if the 3D Mark 05 results were true, it's really not a good basis to say "This card is better than the other, and so on." Anyone familiar with the Futuremark suite knows that benchmarks simply cannot account for real-world performance across all platforms. Let's take the 6600GT as an example. For the most part, a 9800 Pro will always outperform a 6600GT in 3D Mark 2001. Does this mean that the 9800 is a better video card? Of course not; real-world performance benchmarks have clearly shown us that the 6600GT has the edge especially when overclocked. The same analogy can be said about the x800XT and a 6800 Ultra; a higher 3D Mark score for either card does not necessarily translate to real-world performance.
3. Some of you have made it a point to bash individuals who claim to know more but cannot say anything due to NDA (non-disclosure agreements for all you out there). To those that fit in this category: you ought to be ashamed. How can you ask for prove from those who are legally bound to silence? Nothing more than simple egging on in this case. Worst of all, such behavior does nothing but deteriorates this thread further. I could name a few names, but those individuals already know who they are.
What have we learned today?
1. Don't believe the numbers unless we have credible reviews.
2. Fanboyism is pretty lame: I don't think that NVIDIA or ATI is paying any of you to rant so much.
3. Benchmarks aren't everything.
Sentential
Senior member
More scores:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24068
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24068
It could also be a trojan horse. Although doubtfull but not too far fetched. Releaseing this card say set back 10% and Getting ATI to release its card then Nvidia magically releases updated drivers which pop the video card into full power leaving ATI with the slower card. Only time will tell.
If these numbers are correct, I'll be waiting for the apology from those of you who said I was nuts in the early months of this year speculating SLI'd GTs and Ultras were giving us next gen (or close to it) performance back then. (I got 8700 on 3dmark05 last I ran it)
That being said, at $549 MSRP, that low of heat and power consumption, and that level of performance, I think nV OEMs are going to sell a lot of these.
This is exactly why I would not buy into SLi. (1) Next gen GPU will most likely alway's beat/equal (2) old gen GPU. However, i'm not an early-adopter-performance-to-the-max- freak. I just want something fast enough to play my favorite game at a decent framerate and at a deceent resolution with all eye-candy on 🙂
blckgrffn
Diamond Member
I would agree, Rollo, only so long as we get prices down towards $400. I never doubted that a single next gen card would be overpowered by two of todays very high end cards. Looking back in history, when have we seen more than a 2x jump in performance between generations? I am not familiar with the pre-geforce era, but since then 20-30% performance increases have been pretty typical, except for the debut of the 9700Pro and the Nvidia 6800 Series.
My dream card for the next generation: a 12 pipe 6600 successor running at ~525 core clock and with 256 megs of DDR on a 256 bit interface @ ~ 800 mhz. I would love to see a card like that for about $250. It would easily compete with the 6800GT and if it ran cooler and with less power that would just be awesome 🙂 Too bad we probably won't see anything like it until the first part of next year...
My dream card for the next generation: a 12 pipe 6600 successor running at ~525 core clock and with 256 megs of DDR on a 256 bit interface @ ~ 800 mhz. I would love to see a card like that for about $250. It would easily compete with the 6800GT and if it ran cooler and with less power that would just be awesome 🙂 Too bad we probably won't see anything like it until the first part of next year...
yeah, I'm not a performance to the max person as well. I had always bought midrange cards since I had my 17" CRT and LCD monitors because I only played my games at 1024x768 or 1280x1024. My games were never exactly demanding though. I only bought a 6800GT because I purchased a 2005FPW as well and I figured I needed something a little better to run at a higher resolution for a while. I'm pretty happy just sticking to what works 🙂
Its not only that a single next gen works for every game not just a handfull when in SLI. In some benchmarks a single same generation outperforms SLI.
ATI may change that because they are doing things different but still thats a lot of coin. !st the $60.00 for the mobo then double the video card price for only a few games increase. Ouch. Wish I were rich.
Sentential
Senior member
More Scores:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24076
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24076
imported_Rampage
Senior member
You only buy into SLI if you are into next-gen performance, today.
Aquila76
Diamond Member
Yup. SLI is (mostly) for those that have enough money to build monster rigs AND want to have every last bit of 'performance-to-the-max-freak'iness they can get in a system right now.
There is also a 'budget' value to it, if you get a midrange card now and a second card later to get at/near next-gen performance at a sizeable discount.
imported_Rampage
Senior member
Better watch your mouth. I never say that part because theres always some troll bopping around who wants to argue it is not, nor ever will be a good upgrade path (no matter what happens to pricing/availability).
Just a heads up.
Ya right anything That shows higher value benchies is been done on higher clocked CPU'S(FX57 not released yet) Higher clocked nvidia cards and memory is this how you tested by O/C LOL (Its as I said they will take the higher numbers and say see I was right . If your test were conducted at these higher clocks its an invalid test) I want stock numbers not O/C same as what anand well test them at . If tested with FX 57 the numbers are going to be higher .
In all fairness the benchies we are interested in well be done on a FX 55 (not FX 57)
Ati'S was tested with FX55 (these are the prerelease numbers only. There well be no smoke screen this time.
Actually...I believe Ronin probably is under NDA, as he claims:
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showuser=1036
Appears he may be closely affiliated with nVIDIA.
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showuser=1036
Appears he may be closely affiliated with nVIDIA.
Sure, when the situation is cpu limited and SLIs overhead makes it perform a little worse. A person with SLI would never be running at settings that low though. As far as the "handful of games" goes, you're wrong there as well. You can force SLI on any game with a drop down in the drivers. If the game is GPU limited on your system, you'll likely get more speed.
Checkout Asus A8N SLI pricing, $40 more for SLI vs. non last I checked. And again, it's not a "few games" it's a lot of games.
Sentential
Senior member
I agree. Especially in light of this, an actual review of the card:
http://translate.google.com/translate?u...=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools
And if you look the 7600-7800 number still stands. I wonder what he has to say for himself now after this nonsense...
Honest to god. There is no need for this at all. Its one thing to use silence or say "I dont know" but its another to insult your own loyal customers. That alone makes me not want to purchase one.
http://tinyurl.com/8mp2r
Yeah, but if they give it a two-slot fan I think it can get real high OCs...
Yeah, but if they give it a two-slot fan I think it can get real high OCs...
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