Westboro idiots have their tires slashed

[Nebor]

No, what you both MEANT to say is that publicly you'll pretend to support free speech but privately you really don't believe in free speech, and will secretly work to undermine it.

I can't speak for them, but that's what I meant to say. Thank you for summing it up so concisely.

The government should not infringe on the rights of the people. If private entities cause those rights to be limited in one way or another, well, that's not the government's fault, and it isn't a constitutional issue. :sneaky:

 

[preCRT]

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Sadly that gets borderline dangerous for commercial establishments. In the same way a restaurant can't discriminate against customers based on race,the Westboro church looks for such discrimination as a means to self-finance themselves by lawsuit. So could the Westboro church sue a open for business repair business that declined them service?

Hateful bigots are not a protected class, everyone is free to discriminate against them.

 

[Zebo]

I still don't understand their fundamental argument. The United States military is one of the only standing institutions that can legally discriminate against gays and yet they still attack the military? Their logic is as flawed as their intelligence.

Attention whores.

I'm not sure it's right to be a vandle tho on protected speech. Emotions sometimes can get the better of us tho. One of those Chris Rock "I understand" deals Like a dad killing a child molester or torture of you got a ticking bomb scenario. It aint 100% right and American but "I understand"

 

[Tristicus]

Hateful bigots are not a protected class, everyone is free to discriminate against them.

As long as they are white.

 

[Linflas]

I can't speak for them, but that's what I meant to say. Thank you for summing it up so concisely.

The government should not infringe on the rights of the people. If private entities cause those rights to be limited in one way or another, well, that's not the government's fault, and it isn't a constitutional issue. :sneaky:

So when law enforcement in the south ignored crimes committed against blacks it was ok since it was just private entities limiting their (black people) rights? How about when the unionization movement was just starting and law enforcement routinely ignored thugs hired to break up the unionization efforts? If the government turns a blind eye to law enforcement depending on the views of the people involved then it is infringing on the rights of the people. Much like the Westboro folks are not free to trespass on private property while engaging in their protests their foes are not free to destroy their property. Funny how a group of bikers like the Patriot Guard Riders seems to understand this simple concept. They counter speech with speech of their own while staying within the law.

 

[nobodyknows]

Both of you are apparently vocabulary-challenged. "Condone" means pardon, forgive, overlook, give tacit approval to. Clearly both of you DO "condone doing this", because loaning a knife is tacit approval for the act of slashing tires.

No, what you both MEANT to say is that publicly you'll pretend to support free speech but privately you really don't believe in free speech, and will secretly work to undermine it.

Speaking of "challenged", I challenge you to prove that I knew in adavnce that I was loaning my knife to someone who was going to commit a crime with it.

Somewhere in your pursuit of lofty ideals you must have run across the concept of "innocent until proven guilty"?

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

How hard do you think the authorities would work to find the Westboro Baptist Church Killer? The nation would applaud him. Vigilantes can be very popular.

I'm not at all afraid to say that bad people need to die so that the good people on this planet don't have to deal with them. Sick? I don't think so. Bad people are bad, m'kay?

Just because you a sick $#@% doesn't excuse anything. Just because a certain percentage of the population would applaud it doesn't change anything.

It's still murder, and a crime. Is that hard to understand? You guys just love ignoring the law when it suits you. You and nickkie1985 will scream bloddy murder if your rights are violated one little bit, but then you come in and endorse and support murder. Way to go guys, real lack of class and morals you have.

 

[DietDrThunder]

Are you a member?

You don't need a knife, just a cheap valve stem removal tool from Sears ($5.69).

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...ku=SPM31014192

First, remove the valve cap. As the cap is small and easily lost, put it in your pocket or some other safe place.

Second, Using your valve stem removal tool or a slotted metal valve cap, turn the valve stem counterclockwise several turns until it comes out of the valve. You will feel and hear a rush of air if the tire is pressurized. As with your valve cap, put the valve stem in a safe place, as it is small and easy to lose.

 

[nick1985]

Just because you a sick $#@% doesn't excuse anything. Just because a certain percentage of the population would applaud it doesn't change anything.

It's still murder, and a crime. Is that hard to understand? You guys just love ignoring the law when it suits you. You and nickkie1985 will scream bloddy murder if your rights are violated one little bit, but then you come in and endorse and support murder. Way to go guys, real lack of class and morals you have.

GarfatfucktheCat! I can alter someone's handle too!

 

[Atreus21]

Two wrongs don't make a right, much as some posters here would like to think.

Oh, they do. They totally do.

For the resident bleeding-hearts, there is legal principle for failing to mitigate damage to yourself. If I were to walk around a predominantly black neighborhood screaming ethnic slurs all day, and wound up getting my ass kicked, the first things the cops would ask me is "What the hell were you thinking?"

When you ask really hard for an ass kicking, you reduce your reasonable expectation of people to act civilly, and the justice system takes account of that.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

GarfatfucktheCat! I can alter someone's handle too!

I see your recent vacation has not helped your anger management issues. Seek help.

And you never answered what the ACLU has to do with anything. Avoiding the question?

 

[nick1985]

I see your recent vacation has not helped your anger management issues. Seek help.

So you can dish it but you cant take it?

And you never answered what the ACLU has to do with anything. Avoiding the question?

Nebor summed it up well.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Oh, they do. They totally do.

For the resident bleeding-hearts, there is legal principle for failing to mitigate damage to yourself. If I were to walk around a predominantly black neighborhood screaming ethnic slurs all day, and wound up getting my ass kicked, the first things the cops would ask me is "What the hell were you thinking?"

When you ask really hard for an ass kicking, you reduce your reasonable expectation of people to act civilly, and the justice system takes account of that.

Wow, just wow.

So let me get this straight. You, Nebor, and Nick1985 all believe in this:

1. WBC is doing something that is 100% legal, although disgusting. Read the 100% legal part again, to make sure you understand what it means.

2. Despite WBC being law abiding citizens, you wish to commit (or help commit, or let others get away with committing) crimes, including murder?

Are you serious? You guys are totally sick and perverted. Just because you don't like them, it's magically OK to commit murder?

Do you also think it's OK for anti-abortion people to murder abortion doctors? It's the exact same thing.

Grow up and realize it's not about what you like, it's about what is legal.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

So you can dish it but you cant take it?

??

You got vacationed for abuse, not me, and I see you still love to throw random insults around. Again, seek help.

To be clear, you are OK with breaking the law despite WBC following the law? You would murder them, or support and help others that would, or otherwise break the law to hurt them?

 

[nick1985]

I'm not saying that I advocate someone killing them. I'm saying that if someone were to kill them, nobody would lose any sleep over it and law enforcement wouldn't try too hard to find them. Thats fine with me.

But please, dont let me stop you from spinning your own narrative.

 

[nick1985]

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Given the question marks, I see you are confused. Let me help break it down for you.

1. You called me "nickie1985", implying that I am a girl.

2. I returned your insult calling you "garfatfuckthecat", implying that you are overweight.

See how that works? You threw a punch, I threw one right back. Dont go whining about being attacked, its making you look like a tard because you struck 1st.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

I'm not saying that I advocate someone killing them. I'm saying that if someone were to kill them, nobody would lose any sleep over it and law enforcement wouldn't try too hard to find them. Thats fine with me.

But please, dont let me stop you from spinning your own narrative.

You agreed that the nation would applaud the murder of them. That would seem to indicate that you support murder, even if you wish to not get your own hands dirty. Unless you are trying to play both sides now.

Did you not give a thumbs up to Nebors post? Nebor specifically stated that he had no problem with someone blowing WBC all up, which is murder.

And again, seek help for your anger issues. Growing up and not swearing every other word would be a good start.

 

[nick1985]

You agreed that the nation would applaud the murder of them.

Yes, I think its not hard to believe most people wouldn't give a fuck if they were killed.

That would seem to indicate that you support murder, even if you wish to not get your own hands dirty.

No

Unless you are trying to play both sides now.

no

Did you not give a thumbs up to Nebors post? Nebor specifically stated that he had no problem with someone blowing WBC all up, which is murder.

I did. If someone were to kill them I wouldn't care. I'm not out there advocating it, just saying if they were found dead in a gutter my day wouldn't be ruined.

And again, seek help for your anger issues. Growing up and not swearing every other word would be a good start.

Aww...did you get called out for throwing the 1st personal attack so you are just going in circles saying the same crap instead of admitting you started it?

 

[Moonbeam]

Nebor and nick are bigots who, in a lawless society would have their tires slashed on a regular basis. But you can't expect them to understand this. They have huge egos and see themselves as holy. Their particular form of bigotry makes monsters of folk like the Phelps family who in turn make monsters out of dead folk from the military. Monsters are always created by other monsters, one bigot against another bigot of a different stripe, both arrogant assholes who know that what they believe is absolute truth entitling them to act as righteous prosecutors. All you need is hate and the certainty that your hate is justified and that's not a challenge for bigots. We have to extend the same tolerance to nick and Nebor as we do to the Phelps family because they are exactly the same kind of bigots differing only in what they decide to hate so long as they talk without acting on what they say. You can't cure their bigotry with more bigotry. Folk like these were created by hate. Hating them more won't change anything.

The Phelps, nick, Nebor and folk like them are lost in their own hatred, a hatred of themselves. If you hate them you become one with them. They were made to feel contempt so they act contemptuously. Don't confuse the fact they are assholes with reality. They were made to be assholes by other assholes. If you hate them then they have done it to you.

We are all bigots. If you hate bigotry you will fix and make permanent your own bigotry. We have been forgiven, but only if we can forgive. If you can forgive the bigotry of others you can forgive your own. It's the only way. There are so many bigots of course, because the way of hate is so much easier than the way of love. It takes a giant like maybe Jesus to love folk like the Phelps, but you can be sure He does. just as surely as he loves you. Ahahahahahahahahaha

 

[Nebor]

I'm not saying that I advocate someone killing them. I'm saying that if someone were to kill them, nobody would lose any sleep over it and law enforcement wouldn't try too hard to find them. Thats fine with me.

This.

 

[Nebor]

You agreed that the nation would applaud the murder of them. That would seem to indicate that you support murder, even if you wish to not get your own hands dirty.

I don't think it's a stretch to say that most of the nation wouldn't shed tears over their deaths. In fact, I'd bet dollars to donuts that more ironic "protesters" showed up to their funeral than actual grievers.

But yeah, if I were at a gas station and noticed a guy in a box truck hosing down his pile of fertilizer with diesel fuel and a bumper sticker that said "Westboro Baptist or Bust," I wouldn't be in any rush to call the authorities.

I'm not saying I would be that guy. But then, they haven't protested any of my friends or soldiers' funerals.

 

[Zebo]

Wow, just wow.

So let me get this straight. You, Nebor, and Nick1985 all believe in this:

1. WBC is doing something that is 100% legal, although disgusting. Read the 100% legal part again, to make sure you understand what it means.

2. Despite WBC being law abiding citizens, you wish to commit (or help commit, or let others get away with committing) crimes, including murder?

Are you serious? You guys are totally sick and perverted. Just because you don't like them, it's magically OK to commit murder?

Do you also think it's OK for anti-abortion people to murder abortion doctors? It's the exact same thing.

Grow up and realize it's not about what you like, it's about what is legal.

Hard to argue this. Thanks,

 

[Darwin333]

So, if enough people don't like the message of a speaker, it's OK to slash the tires of the speaker.

I guess this falls under the same theory of freedom as murdering abortion doctors.

Just because some of us won't shed a tear that it happened doesn't mean that we condone illegal activity.

I don't condone bikers beating the shit out of you but if you walk into a biker bar, stand on a barstool, and yell that anyone who wears leather is a i love you....... the story of your asskicking would get half a shrug from me. The people who broke the law should be prosecuted but its one of those things that falls into the "it ain't right but I understand" categories.

 

[shira]

Their speech is protected, and needs to be. That being said I'd find it hard not to resort to violence if one of my family were killed in Iraq/Afghanistan and they showed up to protest. I wouldn't be right, but they are illiciting that kind of response.

They really are the most distasteful and disgusting people and I feel sorry for the kids they are twisting into their hateful image.

I really don't understand this need to physically punish those who engage in hateful acts. What's your intent? to TEACH them something? To CHANGE them? To make them "see the light?" Do you really think you can make them stop?

The world is filled with highly irrational people whose behavior is infuriating. I see dozens of them every day on ATPN. When PJABBER or Spidey or Nick prove yet again what morons they are, should I slash THEIR tires to send them a message? And, yes, I find their smug vapidity just as infuriating as the actions of the members of the Wesboro church.

Ultimately, the only sane approach to morons is to take comfort in the knowledge that they have no choice but live out their pathetic, misguided lives limited by their deficient intellects. That's punishment enough.

 

[nick1985]

Nebor and nick are bigots

The Phelps, nick, Nebor and folk like them are lost in their own hatred, a hatred of themselves.

How did I guess your dumbass "self hate" theory would make an appearence? rofl

We are all bigots.

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