We're living in a simulation

[Muse]

As someone who grew up reading sci-fi in the 80s & 90s, I'm personally wounded by this.

I wanna get my ass to Mars

No, you don't. I imagine you've read The Martian. Made into a very good movie, it was a really good book. The movie stuck to the book, basically.

 

[Muse]

I feel good about climate change because I think we've now passed the point of no return in regards to acceptance of renewables and the world is moving towards sustainable energy. The dream I had about everyone being their own utility with solar and batteries and people driving EV are now becoming reality. There's tremendous amount of work still to be done and it will take decades but I'm now more certain than ever this is the path we're headed and nothing can stop us now. So I won't die from climate change. I'll die from natural old age, disease/illness, or unfortunate accident.


Elon has done more to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy than anyone. He's saving our beautiful planet through his companies despite people like you demonizing him for profiting off his work. Make your own money and spend it how you wish instead of trying to tell others how they should spend theirs. And don't try to steal their money.

You've snorted a bunch of junk about Elon and climate change. Past the point of no return means there's no stopping the coming catastrophe. You anticipate a wonderful old age because we're moving in the right direction. Huh? There's some positive stuff but the emissions are every day than they were the day before. And by a lot. You've been snowed. And Elon's a gigantic ego headed jerk. This doesn't even get into DOGE and Musk's hacking 1/2 the life out of the US government.

 

[igor_kavinski]

As a guy with a degree in mathematics I'm here to tell you that any hocus pocus about integers fucked around pointing to something else is goddamn hogwash and anybody hocking that crap is a total jerk.

It depends. If you are willing to tell me your number (day you were born), I can tell you a few things about you. But the problem is, 99% chance you won't tell me because people who don't believe aren't willing to take a risk that they might be wrong. And even if what I tell you seems about right, you may not want to admit it. I do this all the time at work. People fit into numbers almost exactly like they are supposed to. I've seen almost no deviation from my expectations.

 

[Muse]

It depends. If you are willing to tell me your number (day you were born), I can tell you a few things about you. But the problem is, 99% chance you won't tell me because people who don't believe aren't willing to take a risk that they might be wrong. And even if what I tell you seems about right, you may not want to admit it. I do this all the time at work. People fit into numbers almost exactly like they are supposed to. I've seen almost no deviation from my expectations.

Oh boy. I'm not the least bit interested in hearing you expound about me based on my birth date. Gawd.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Oh boy. I'm not the least bit interested in hearing you expound about me based on my birth date. Gawd.

See?

 

[sandorski]

Scroll of Truth
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The Wizards are fighting!

 

[zinfamous]

But it is code based, the code is mathematics. You cannot define a single thing in our entire reality that isn't definable by mathematics.

math is a human construct that very effectively explains natural laws. Still, it is a model system that makes sense to us, because we posited all of these theories that, for the most part, stand up to scrutiny until the point where a better-supported idea, or better math, replace an earlier faulty premise.

Still, it's a human construct that we've created to make the best sense of the world that we can currently make.

it doesn't mean that "something" is there to make order for us, which is what all of this simulation nonsense is dragging us towards.

 

[zinfamous]

Probably not (or at least I'm not aware of a way to prove it false), it's potentially provable true though, or at least provide evidence that can't reasonably be explained outside of a simulation hypothesis.

I personally think we've already observed a few pieces of evidence for this, it just hasn't been formally identified as such.

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So now you're simply defending a new religious text but want to call it fancy-science-thinking. Seriously, just stop this horseshit. It comes to this, then doesn't? These simulation nimrods just want to spend endless amounts of oxygen arguing for a self-proving deity that they refuse to call a deity, because they are desperate to pretend not to be theists.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

math is a human construct that very effectively explains natural laws. Still, it is a model system that makes sense to us, because we posited all of these theories that, for the most part, stand up to scrutiny until the point where a better-supported idea, or better math, replace an earlier faulty premise.

Still, it's a human construct that we've created to make the best sense of the world that we can currently make.

it doesn't mean that "something" is there to make order for us, which is what all of this simulation nonsense is dragging us towards.

Hi. Math exists whether humans exist or not. It's no more a human construct than stars or galaxies themselves. The terms we use are human invented but there would be an allegory to any species that has discovered mathematics. It's integral to the functionality of our reality.

No, it doesn't mean that something is there to make order for us. That doesn't mean it isn't worth exploring, though.

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So now you're simply defending a new religious text but want to call it fancy-science-thinking. Seriously, just stop this horseshit. It comes to this, then doesn't? These simulation nimrods just want to spend endless amounts of oxygen arguing for a self-proving deity that they refuse to call a deity, because they are desperate to pretend not to be theists.

As I said earlier, if you're looking for god, you can find it anywhere. I'm not, but that's just me.

 

[repoman0]

math is a human construct that very effectively explains natural laws. Still, it is a model system that makes sense to us, because we posited all of these theories that, for the most part, stand up to scrutiny until the point where a better-supported idea, or better math, replace an earlier faulty premise.

Still, it's a human construct that we've created to make the best sense of the world that we can currently make.

it doesn't mean that "something" is there to make order for us, which is what all of this simulation nonsense is dragging us towards.

I don’t agree that math is a human construct. Everything in mathematics is provable and would be discovered by any other advanced sentient species, and I don’t think we have a great explanation for why natural laws seem to be perfectly describable within its language. There is no such thing as better math, only better physics. I don’t think that means there are servers running the universe somewhere though.

 

[jpiniero]

It's all because they killed that gorilla.

 

[Kaido]

It's all because they killed that gorilla.

 

[nakedfrog]

No, you don't. I imagine you've read The Martian. Made into a very good movie, it was a really good book. The movie stuck to the book, basically.

I mean, you're right in that technically I don't really want to live on Mars, but the idea of visiting if we came up with a more practical travel method is appealing.
But I was actually referencing a different book/movie involving the planet, Total Recall No, I haven't read/seen The Martian.

 

[lxskllr]

I amuse myself with the thought of Perseverance cruising up to a hillside, scraping a little off the front, and uncovering a manufactured brick wall, and the looks on everyone's faces when the images get back to Earth.

 

[igor_kavinski]

No, I haven't read/seen The Martian.

Watch it!

 

[Chaotic42]

A simulation? My man!

 

[Muse]

I mean, you're right in that technically I don't really want to live on Mars, but the idea of visiting if we came up with a more practical travel method is appealing.
But I was actually referencing a different book/movie involving the planet, Total Recall No, I haven't read/seen The Martian.

Total Recall was pretty good but last time I saw it I thought it didn't hold up. Some movies stand the test of time FWIW, I figured it didn't. The Martian is an excellent book, movie too.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Total Recall was pretty good

It has a remake too which I thought was a bit more intense.

 

[Torn Mind]

We must find out what the programmers want and try to please them

God is the programmer.

 

[IronWing]

God is the programmer.

Which is why the simulation idea isn’t amenable to science.