Wendy's to install self-ordering kiosks at 1000 locations

[Jaskalas]

Here is what I know.
Sum of all wages in the USA is 15.5 Trillion
Total USA workforce is 155 million
That is basically 100,000 per person.

Why do we not have flat income in America?
Who is with me, 100,000 paycheck for everybody, PERIOD. March on Washington.

I thought for sure you misplaced a figure somewhere. But, nope. That's completely accurate.
Personal income increased to about 15.46 trillion U.S. dollars in 2015.
Which helps put into perspective my design for a $2.7 trillion basic income. It takes just ~17% to secure the economy.

 

[theeedude]

Service jobs will be automated too, and those remaining will fight for the scraps left.

 

[desura]

Service jobs will be automated too, and those remaining will fight for the scraps left.

I don't quite see that happening. You still need people to maintain the machines, and just do general tasks around the restaurant. Take out the trash, make the sandwiches, mop the floors, none of that I see being automated, one big factor is simply lack of space.

 

[Jaskalas]

I don't quite see that happening. You still need people to maintain the machines, and...

Take a measure of the number of jobs VS United States population, it's going to steadily fall.
There are only so many maintenance positions, and arguments in these details are really not a question of if they'll be automated, but when? Transportation is going to be very soon (10-20 years), the rest will follow in due time.

 

[momeNt]

The ruling class will use the militarized police force to crush your rebellion.

Might I inform you that the number of armed citizens is vastly greater than the number of militarized police.

Might I also inform you that the number of police making less than 100k is also very high. Perhaps just the Captains and Lieutenants will be the only ones left to defend the ruling class.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Lol, inform away, it won't make a difference. I'm all for what your saying, I'm also not going to pretend like the ruling class is going to let us peons steal their wealth so easily

 

[agent00f]

How is he being conservative here? He is literally advocating for a change in the current system. That is by definition antithetical to a conservative position.

He's making america great again by reenacting pre-miminal wage times.

Yeah, it's a simple model to demonstrate a simple relationship. It's generally true that more businesses will demand labor at $10/hr than will demand labor at $15/hr. But the model is not meant to deal with a complicated issue like the minimum wage. So, for example, you'd expect more demand in the marketplace as a result of the higher wages. There are tons of other effect that a chart like that can't capture.

The "models", or more accurately named assumptions, presented in 101 are meant to introduce economic thinking, not represent actual reality. Of course that doesn't mean they're "wrong", just not evidence for anything.

There's a pretty good argument that presenting neo-liberal assumptions in intro is pedagogically harmful, due to the normative/prescriptive nature of econ.

 

[Bitek]

Any place that went to app-only would lose my business.
If they still allowed ordering via mobile website, that would be acceptable, but I'm not going to have a gaggle of restaurant-specific apps on my phone.

That's the problem, plus I don't want to give them personal info just to get a burrito.

However I do see phone apps to supplement kiosks and human cashiers.

 

[agent00f]

It might not be super accurate in terms of specific numbers, but it establishes the base idea of which we see played out in the economy. That is why overall we see a flat to net loss in jobs. The model is simplified to make it clear of what the effects will be, and reality has far more inputs, but its not meant to work on a real market. His use is perfectly reasonable to establish the idea. Its why raising wages by raising the floor will reduce employment. That not happening in a vacuum has no relevance to the concept.

So when Agent says its only used by dummies he is wrong. When BJ says its not good at doing something its not supposed to do, I reply.

Oh shit we got the community college scholar over here ready to learn us something fierce.

These pedagogical models are exactly used by dummies to demonstrate they failed to grasp the purpose of econ 101.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Just wait until they start automating Forum Posts!

With some of the identities in here that's already happened.

 

[Jhhnn]

You know these kiosks are just an extension of convenience to customers. Online ordering accomplishes the very same thing eliminating the need for an order taker from the mix of things. Efficiency will continue to play a role in how jobs are automated and this is yet another example of why you should be motivated to get a degree if you don't already have one. Don't say that its impossible or that you don't have time because you're just making excuses for yourself that will not help you rise above the reality that we live in.

Old school stick in the mud group think will not help your situation any if you continue to resist change. If you are wise enough to recognize that these changes are the new normal you will also recognize the need for self efficacy to address the gap between where you currently are and where you need to be in order to have a decent job. I worked in manufacturing for 16 years and could see what globalization was doing to it first hand which is why I recycled myself before it was too late. The sad truth is that our economy is growing, just not in the old ways and now that it is mostly a service based economy you must possess the right skillsets in order to prosper in it. Manufacturing will continue to exist but it will not provide the percentage of jobs that it once did and the sooner you recognize that unless you have an education you will not be able to rise above these low paying service jobs the sooner you can get away from them.

You're right so far as it goes but so what? If everybody went back to school & got degrees we'd still have the same societal problem only with higher expectations that can't be met.

It's all tied up in the idea of ownership & what that entails, both in terms of privilege & obligation. What America is demanding from the ownership class is jobs in the face of their decreasing need for our labor. It's like trying to drink whiskey from a bottle of wine.

They won't lead us where we want to go. Hedge fund ownership assumes no greater social obligation than what we impose.

 

[Sonikku]

Good. This technological advancement will drive our failing economic model into the ground that much faster. And the sooner it implodes, the sooner a new lessons can be learned and a new model can be adopted. I just wish I was born after the crash and rebuild.

 

[disappoint]

I love AT, I've been here for many years (much longer than you). I hate what it's been allowed to become. It's also much less active and vibrant than it used to be, I wonder why?

Because it has turned into the immature tantrum throwing center for the emotional basket case man-children.

 

[disappoint]

Good. This technological advancement will drive our failing economic model into the ground that much faster. And the sooner it implodes, the sooner a new lessons can be learned and a new model can be adopted. I just wish I was born after the crash and rebuild.

Oh no! The machines are taking over our cotton pickin jobs! What are we gonna do! The sky is falling! Aaahhhhh!

 

[desura]

Seriously...has anyone here ever manned a fast food register at lunchtime? It is awful. Just one after another and saying the same thing, "would you like x side with that" twenty times over and over again.

And you actually have to train the dumb person to know the menu. How many times have I ordered something and the guy behind the menu doesn't know how to input the order? I've done it myself when I worked fast food.

If you automate this, then maybe we can have more variety in fast food options. Look at how big Sheetz's menu is.

 

[Sonikku]

I love AT, I've been here for many years (much longer than you). I hate what it's been allowed to become. It's also much less active and vibrant than it used to be, I wonder why?

When I got on the internet in 95' it was incredible. The web design sucked, sure. But it was a safer time, a communion of intellectual minds all gathered together all over the world before corporate and government interests could find a way to control it. Truly, it was an enlightened era of engagement. As internet access expanded with a meteoric rise however that all slowly slipped away. Facebook, twitter, smart phones etc. broadened the pool of people and with it lowered the bar.

We now live in an era where people devoid of intellectual engagement instead use the internet as their dumping ground for posting pictures of their dinner. We live in an era where misinformation is so cheap to spread that the internet itself has become a tool of propaganda more effective than anything under Hitler's disposal. What was once a tool to expand ones horizons has inadvertently become a means to isolate ourselves into our own safe circles and echo chambers. While the internet may have brought us all together in one sense, in the years to follow it has inadvertently made us drift further apart.

 

[Sonikku]

Oh no! The machines are taking over our cotton pickin jobs! What are we gonna do! The sky is falling! Aaahhhhh!

I believe a true A I has a distinct possibility of being created before the century is out. And when it does, the loss of the cotton picking and and burger flipping jobs will be the least of your worries.

 

[MongGrel]

Just wait until they start automating Forum Posts!

True that in many cases.

 

[disappoint]

I believe a true A I has a distinct possibility of being created before the century is out. And when it does, the loss of the cotton picking and and burger flipping jobs will be the least of your worries.

My point is why would we get upset over losing jobs that suck to machines? That's what we design machines to do, the jobs we don't want to do.

So the people that would ordinarily do those jobs will have to do something else, and that something else is unlikely to be as bad as cotton picking or burger order taking. Those jobs suck the life out of people. Let the machines do those shitty mindless drone jobs to free people up to do something more creative and fulfilling with their lives.

As far as a true AI coming so soon, I doubt it. People have a really bad track record of predicting the future, don't be one of those people.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Here is what I know.

Sum of all wages in the USA is 15.5 Trillion

Total USA workforce is 155 million

That is basically 100,000 per person.

Why do we not have flat income in America?

Who is with me, 100,000 paycheck for everybody, PERIOD. March on Washington.

Not possible.

 

[disappoint]

Here is what I know.

Sum of all wages in the USA is 15.5 Trillion

Total USA workforce is 155 million

That is basically 100,000 per person.

Why do we not have flat income in America?

Who is with me, 100,000 paycheck for everybody, PERIOD. March on Washington.

What's the incentive to get people to strive to be successful?

 

[ch33zw1z]

First, define success

 

[disappoint]

First, define success

Success is achieving what the puppet masters want you to achieve in life.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Seriously, no need to answer right away, to answer your question (which is not a bad question), define success or how you view it

 

[Jaskalas]

What's the incentive to get people to strive to be successful?

By only doing a fraction of that. At around ~17% of the total you'll have a proper social safety net while maintaining capitalist drive.
The ideas are not mutually exclusive.