Welshblokes fun adventures with linux!

WelshBloke

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So Microsoft have been gradually moving away from what I want in an OS so I thought that it was time to try something different instead of just quietly steaming about it.
I looked at lots of distros, My use is basic internet stuff, consuming media (spotify and various streaming services), gaming and running the odd VM. I figured that gaming was going to be the hardest thing to get working.

I wanted a distro that was user friendly and looks nice. In the end I picked Zorin as its based on Ubuntu and that has a ton of support and it uses Gnome (which based on my old dabbles with linux I’ve always found the easiest to get on with).

I did try out a few distros in VMs and very much like CachyOS but I don’t think that I’m ready for an Arch based distro!
In the end I shrank my windows partition and made a 500gig space for my new linux OS.
Installing Zorin wasnt the easiest thing as the automated installer kept trying to install to the ventoy pendrive that the ISO was on! In the end it was installed though.
OS looks very nice and, visually, there's no big shock coming from windows.

Now this is where the culture shock starts. As a windows user I’m used to going to a website, downloading an installer then clicking on it to get programs. You can do this on linux but there's a good chance that things aren't going to work without heading to the terminal and entering some arcane magic terms!

Installing things from the “App store” isnt always easy either. My first install of Steam didn’t work as I installed the APT instead of the Flatpak version. That version worked fine but it turns out that transfering Windows versions of Steam games doesn’t always work (BG3 transferred fine, it just downloaded a few bits. Warhammer3 however just kept a few bits and decided that it needed to redownload the whole game). Both those games run really well though, and while I havent compared FPS numbers much I’m running them at the same settings as I do in Windows and they feel the same. So I’m counting that as a win! Although it doesn’t seem to like you using an alternative storage setting (but that might be because its a windows NTFS disc).

Spotify has a desktop app thats exactly the same as the windows one which made life easy.
This is where I start running into Linux and its arcane “you need to know stuff, you wont find out by pointing and clicking” way of doing things! I wanted to see what bitrate the OS was using for sound as it sounded a little bit off. In Windows I can just go to the settings app and pick what bitrate I want, in Linux its very much not that easy! You need to find a conf file hidden away in a dark corner of the file system. Then you cant just find it, open it, edit it then save it because you need to be root. There doesn’t seem to be a way of doing that in the GUI you have to go to the terminal and start entering the magic terms again! Also Linux apps have the most obscure names!

Hardware wise everything important works fine. Theres some windows storge volumes I cant access (because they are windows storage spaces), and some of my Razer stuff isnt recognised by OpenRazer but I can live with that as the basic functions work.

So gaming works fine so far. Much better than I expected. Obviously basic web stuff works (I use Firefox on windows anyway so there was no learning curve there, just logged into my Firefox account and there was no difference). VMware works fine on Linux so I can use the same work VM as I use on Windows. VLC and Spotify work the same as on windows.
I have no real problems so far, I just have an uncomfortable feeling that I dont know how anything works and fixing/tweaking stuff is not easy on Linux (or at least its very, very different and obfuscated compared to Windows).

We shall see how long till everything breaks but its going fine right now!
 

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Oh just remembered something that didnt work. I have a webcam that supports Windows Hello thats been really convenient. The Linux version is Howdy and this wasnt fun for me. It took ages to get working (using lots of arcane magic terms) and when it did work it was fairly slow and didnt always work. Which was fine for logging into my account but Linux needs a root password A LOT and Howdy just wasnt up to that! It was then a PITA to uninstall as every time I was asked for my root password Howdy would try to recognize me and it doesnt fall back gracefully to asking for your password if it doesnt!
 
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lxskllr

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Sounds like you've made out ok. Gnome has really locked things down in recent years, so it might be a hassle, or require some kind of plugin, but you should be able to right click a folder or file, then pick open or edit as administrator from the context menu. Enter your password, and use the gui system you like.

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I don't do spotify, but I'd be surprised if there wasn't an easier to get to user config in your home directory. Turn on hidden files, and poke around home. Here's my home directory with hidden files shown. Everything with a "." gets hidden by default, and there's interesting stuff to see there when you need it.Screenshot_2025-07-08_16-00-31.png
 
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WelshBloke

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I wanted to change the system bitrate which involved a trip to /etc/pulse/daemon.conf

I have to say that my Conky skills are coming back. My desktop is absolutely lovely looking now!
I'm considering nuking some of my NTFS disks as I definitely don't have space for a Steam catalogue!

Also I needed to know about Timeshift awhile ago!
 
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WelshBloke

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So it looks like my webcam/howdy problems might have been to do with the way my webcam was plugged in (my USB hub is pretty "noisy", I've had problems with my DAC being plugged into it before).

How do I run a script as root at startup?

I need to run

cd Ryzen-5800x3d-linux-undervolting

then

sudo python3 ruv.py -c 8 -o -30

When my PC starts.
 

mikeymikec

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I just have an uncomfortable feeling that I dont know how anything works and fixing/tweaking stuff is not easy on Linux (or at least its very, very different and obfuscated compared to Windows).

The main thing that was a bit of a pain for me was that I have a Logitech MX Master 3S mouse with a wireless receiver, and getting Linux to handle sleep mode properly with that wasn't fun, every time it tried to sleep it would immediately resume.

I had to trawl through /proc/acpi/wakeup to find device codes, then narrow down which Logitech device I was after (wireless receivers often think they have a keyboard and mouse attached when there's only a mouse, for example), then modify the appropriate wakeup file in /sys/bus/usb/devices/.

A Linux UI to reliably handle which devices can wake the computer would be really cool.

I've found before with Linux that some things I expected to be easy were complicated and vice versa. An example of the latter was that when I migrated from my Haswell setup to zen4, I took the SSD out of the old system, connected it to the new one, used a repair utility to sort boot management (which basically fixed the problem itself), and my Linux install was good to go in the new system. Later I cloned that SATA SSD drive using clonezilla onto nvme, again no problems and handled first time. I've spent many an hour in the past fixing broken boot management on Windows installations! Drive cloning has been hit-and-miss too, even then I need to hand-hold Samsung's migration tool and feed the 'new' Windows install the recovery partition by hand.

My current Linux adventure is to set up my new server, as the previous one is on Windows. Going from "I've messed around in Linux a bit" to running what eventually has to be a live Internet-connected server that people/bots will be taking pot-shots at is something I think I've got a healthy bit of respect/trepidation about!
 
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@WelshBloke I'm in the same place as you as windows is well.. just going away from what I wanted it to be.

I tried Zorin but wasn't happy with gaming 1 year 6 months or so ago. So I eventually tried different distros.. that's the great part of linux.. you should have zero guilt in changing to another distro if you don't like it.

Basically just refer to this scale from 1 being stability and usability to 4 being cutting edge and sometimes broken.

1. Debian (ultra stable - updated once every 2 years )
2. Ubuntu (stable with with some modern kernels - usually updated 6 months)
3. Fedora (rolling release - frequent updates)
4. Arch ( rolling release with new stuff that can break systems - require tech know how on how to fix).

My wife has been using Linux Mint Debian Edition for 3 years now.. the surfing/ watching videos and socialize/ chatting works just fine for her.

I myself think Arch is not for me.. and am trying out Nobara and Bazzite (Fedora spins) that're more gaming oriented and better than just plain Fedora (which leaves you a ton of stuff to install yourself).

Since you seem to like GNOME.. Nobara does have a GNOME version. Try it out.. you might like it.
 

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@WelshBloke I'm in the same place as you as windows is well.. just going away from what I wanted it to be.

I tried Zorin but wasn't happy with gaming 1 year 6 months or so ago. So I eventually tried different distros.. that's the great part of linux.. you should have zero guilt in changing to another distro if you don't like it.
What wasn't working game wise for you?
That all seems fine for me now I know about flatpak steam not liking certain extra storage places. My Xbox controller works, my GPU seems happy (I even found an app to undervolt and over clock it!)
I was really surprised how easy gaming was!
Basically just refer to this scale from 1 being stability and usability to 4 being cutting edge and sometimes broken.

1. Debian (ultra stable - updated once every 2 years )
2. Ubuntu (stable with with some modern kernels - usually updated 6 months)
3. Fedora (rolling release - frequent updates)
4. Arch ( rolling release with new stuff that can break systems - require tech know how on how to fix).

My wife has been using Linux Mint Debian Edition for 3 years now.. the surfing/ watching videos and socialize/ chatting works just fine for her.
I kinda thought that I should go stable then realised that I'm definitely going to break things before they break themselves so that was a moot point really! I wanted something that would have a ton of stuff ready to go in the repositories that wouldn't need too much dicking around, Zorins based on LTS Ubuntu so I figured that it should have most stuff ready to go.
I myself think Arch is not for me.. and am trying out Nobara and Bazzite (Fedora spins) that're more gaming oriented and better than just plain Fedora (which leaves you a ton of stuff to install yourself).
I have CachyOS on my laptop which is Arch based but user friendly. It has a choice of desktops when you install it. I picked KDE plasma and I'm really not feeling it.
I'll have to see if changing to Gnome breaks anything!
Since you seem to like GNOME.. Nobara does have a GNOME version. Try it out.. you might like it.
It's taken me ages to get this install how I like it and there's still work to do. I need to stick with a distro for a bit I think.

I've only logged into my windows os a couple of times and that's just to shuffle files around to make room for stuff so that's a pretty good sign things are going ok!
 

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Was afk working on my garage door.. removed all the old stuff.. then hit my head against the door.. have a nice shiner on my forehead. I'll finish it tomorrow.

Anyways with Zorin I had trouble getting Steam to even launch in 2023 but it was easy to install.

The main reason I ditched it wife was having problems with Zorin like youtube vids would stutter.. at first I thought it was wifi but nope it was the distro itself.. Also I could not get a virtual keyboard to work in Thai on Zorin.

LMDE worked much better for us, same exact hardware.. (I5-3470, 16GB RAM, 128 GB Sandisk HDD) and I added a 3TB HD for her vacation pics that she can send to her mom on facebook. She's not techy so it just works for her.

The Linux Mint default Onboard keyboard works great for her as well.. but is not working on Fedora or other spins so I'm not keen on moving her off what works.

For that reason.. if it ain't broken, don't fix it! :)
 

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Was afk working on my garage door.. removed all the old stuff.. then hit my head against the door.. have a nice shiner on my forehead. I'll finish it tomorrow.
Ouch!
Anyways with Zorin I had trouble getting Steam to even launch in 2023 but it was easy to install.

The main reason I ditched it wife was having problems with Zorin like youtube vids would stutter.. at first I thought it was wifi but nope it was the distro itself.. Also I could not get a virtual keyboard to work in Thai on Zorin.
Yeah those all sound game breaking! It's obviously come on a bit!
LMDE worked much better for us, same exact hardware.. (I5-3470, 16GB RAM, 128 GB Sandisk HDD) and I added a 3TB HD for her vacation pics that she can send to her mom on facebook. She's not techy so it just works for her.

The Linux Mint default Onboard keyboard works great for her as well.. but is not working on Fedora or other spins so I'm not keen on moving her off what works.
I think that the hardest thing with Linux is picking a distro then sticking with it through the FOMO!
For that reason.. if it ain't broken, don't fix it! :)
Wait. That was the second hardest. The hardest is not fiddling with it until it breaks!
 

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I think that the hardest thing with Linux is picking a distro then sticking with it through the FOMO!

Wait. That was the second hardest. The hardest is not fiddling with it until it breaks!

I tried debian in 2001 once and was like no!

I never thought I'd actually like Linux Mint Debian edition in 2022, but I was humble enough to try it again and it worked beautifully.

So Linux is strange in the sense that while 1 version might really be broken.. it can be fixed and work better than everything else the next time you choose to try it.

BTW how's BG3? Was curious about it.. it's an mmorpg yes?
 

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BTW how's BG3? Was curious about it.. it's an mmorpg yes?
It's amazing. I'm a Baldurs Gate fanboy from way back, I have all the installation CDs stashed somewhere for all the BG and related games.

It's a single player RPG based on the D&D rules. It's got the role playing thing sorted but I guess that you need a bit of knowledge of how D&D handles things.
 
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OK, so the only things I've found not to work so far are my works email stuff (its some weird version of Microsoft exchange stuff) and some of the RGB options of my Razer stuff.

I run my work stuff in a windows VM anyway so that's absolutely not an issue and I can put up with not having all the RGB options (or I might make contact with the open razer guy and see if I can get that fixed).

This has been worryingly easy, I'm waiting for shit to go wrong now!

Linux gaming has come on a lot! At the moment I've just tried Atomfall, BG3, Cyberpunk 2077, Oblivion Remastered, GTA 5 enhanced (the online bit doesn't work but I don't really do that anyway), and Totalwar Warhammer 3 (this would have been a deal breaker if it hadn't worked) and all those work fine after clicking the force compatibility thing in Steam.

I can set the offset on my CPU, I can undervolt my GPU, Theres a lot less random internet traffic going on in the background, my PCs performance is pretty much the same from my POV.


I've tried the switch from Windows a few times in the past but this time I'm not finding anything that makes me miss logging into that windows install!
 
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You might want to try Evolution for a linux mail client. It's supposed to work with Exchange, but I haven't personally used it for that. I haven't used it at all since ~2010, but it was a decent client at the time. I just preferred Tbird.
 
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You might want to try Evolution for a linux mail client. It's supposed to work with Exchange, but I haven't personally used it for that. I haven't used it at all since ~2010, but it was a decent client at the time. I just preferred Tbird.
Tried that, I just get a weird notification that my IT dept needs to review my log in! Which they very much aren't going to do!
Still my work VM works fine and it's probably a good idea to have access to windows in some respects and I can very much happily constrain it to a VM!
 
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So it looks like my webcam/howdy problems might have been to do with the way my webcam was plugged in (my USB hub is pretty "noisy", I've had problems with my DAC being plugged into it before).

How do I run a script as root at startup?

I need to run

cd Ryzen-5800x3d-linux-undervolting

then

sudo python3 ruv.py -c 8 -o -30

When my PC starts.
The original way was /etc/rc.local . Seems like this is now driven by systemd .


 
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So I managed to set up a software raid array without using a GUI (because I couldnt find a GUI for it) and it went remarkably smoothly.
My linux install is now functionally the same as my old windows one!

I still have a dual boot with windows set up but have only logged into windows to transfer files over for the last month so I guess I'm getting to the "nuke the windows partition" stage!
 

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So yesterday I had my first showstopping problem with my Linux adventure!

Logged into my Windows install to check something and it wanted to do a big update (which is understandable, its not really been used since the start of this thread) and I didnt have any need of the PC for a bit so I let it do its update.
Rebooted and Windows had done something funky to my bootloader and I couldn't get into my Linux install.
So I tried to fix it and it was just not happening so I nuked the disk and formatted it for just Linux!

Then I decided to do Distro roulette and see if I could find something that I preferred to my original Zorin install.

So I definitely don't like KDE plasma, I'm not keen on Cosmic right now although that looks promising, so I'm stuck on Gnome.
I nearly went with Fedora but a few things didn't work smoothly for me there (weirdly enough I had a fair bit of trouble getting Steam working well!)
 
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So yesterday I had my first showstopping problem with my Linux adventure!

Logged into my Windows install to check something and it wanted to do a big update (which is understandable, its not really been used since the start of this thread) and I didnt have any need of the PC for a bit so I let it do its update.
Rebooted and Windows had done something funky to my bootloader and I couldn't get into my Linux install.
So I tried to fix it and it was just not happening so I nuked the disk and formatted it for just Linux!
I've read a lot of incidents of this happening, especially when dual-booting windows on the same drive.

So I definitely don't like KDE plasma, I'm not keen on Cosmic right now although that looks promising, so I'm stuck on Gnome.
GNOME is now my solid #2 favorite after budgie.

Then I decided to do Distro roulette and see if I could find something that I preferred to my original Zorin install.
I actually just recently switched over to Zorin on my laptop which Im using more than desktop lately. I really like the look and polish of the distro. I would generally recommend it to older people or simple users over mint. their tweaked gnome is really slick.
 

lxskllr

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What didn't you like about Plasma? The controls can be a little overwhelming, but I enjoy using it. I have that on my work box.
 

WelshBloke

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What didn't you like about Plasma? The controls can be a little overwhelming, but I enjoy using it. I have that on my work box.
Its just the look I think. Its hard to describe but it gives me WinAmp back in the day visuals!
I didnt find that it added anything that I couldnt add with gnome extensions but I couldnt get it to look as nice. Certain elements didnt scale well on my monitor.
 
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I've read a lot of incidents of this happening, especially when dual-booting windows on the same drive.
I've had it happen before but this time it was a bit harder to fix and ultimately I wasn't really using that windows install so nuking the windows partition was an easy solution!
GNOME is now my solid #2 favorite after budgie.
See now I'm going to have to fire up a VM with a Fedora Budgie!
I actually just recently switched over to Zorin on my laptop which Im using more than desktop lately. I really like the look and polish of the distro. I would generally recommend it to older people or simple users over mint. their tweaked gnome is really slick.
It definitely works as an install and dont tweak thing which is great for a lot of people. Its still Linux though so if you want to tweak it till it breaks you can do that as well!
 
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I've had it happen before but this time it was a bit harder to fix and ultimately I wasn't really using that windows install so nuking the windows partition was an easy solution!

See now I'm going to have to fire up a VM with a Fedora Budgie!

It definitely works as an install and dont tweak thing which is great for a lot of people. Its still Linux though so if you want to tweak it till it breaks you can do that as well!
it's worth noting, Ultramarine flagship is Budgie and comes with an additional app menu the Ubuntu-budgie team ported from Elementary OS. I think it's a better menu than budgie's default. https://github.com/ubuntubudgie/applications-menu/tree/e9a3453fa1657d41269da33971d23b7895eaec90
I could never figure out how to install it on Fedora budgie.
 
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So I managed to set up a software raid array without using a GUI (because I couldnt find a GUI for it) and it went remarkably smoothly.
My linux install is now functionally the same as my old windows one!

I still have a dual boot with windows set up but have only logged into windows to transfer files over for the last month so I guess I'm getting to the "nuke the windows partition" stage!
mdraid is excellent. You can configure it to email you when there's a failure.
 
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