Well Trump supporters... Are we great again yet?

[[DHT]Osiris]

Fair enough, but I think you get my point. Alot of waste, too big govt.

I think I do, you've been convinced by others that 'government is too big and too wasteful' and your belief is that 'something needs to be done', without having a single iota of idea about how that is to be done, nor to what extent there's actually a problem.

In short, you don't even know what you don't know.

 

[dank69]

I think I do, you've been convinced by others that 'government is too big and too wasteful' and your belief is that 'something needs to be done', without having a single iota of idea about how that is to be done, nor to what extent there's actually a problem.

In short, you don't even know what you don't know.

Thank you for summarizing in a much more friendly way than I would have. I thought maybe we were chatting with a reasonable person but the more he posts the more that theory is going out the window. Hopefully somebody has the decent sense to pry open the crack about the FDA though for the lulz.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Thank you for summarizing in a much more friendly way than I would have. I thought maybe we were chatting with a reasonable person but the more he posts the more that theory is going out the window. Hopefully somebody has the decent sense to pry open the crack about the FDA though for the lulz.

No kidding, defunding the FDA would be catastrophic to basically all medical research for decades. They're years behind as it is.

 

[retrospooty]

I think I do, you've been convinced by others that 'government is too big and too wasteful' and your belief is that 'something needs to be done', without having a single iota of idea about how that is to be done, nor to what extent there's actually a problem.

In short, you don't even know what you don't know.

Honestly, you are both a bit loopy. Yes, lets go straight to - "this guy thinks govt. is too big therefore he must have been convinced by others". You know, it is entirely possible that some people are still left that think for themselves. I am registered independent but voted for Obama and Hilary, and I do mostly vote left mostly because of the absolutely nutty, religious, racist homophobic BS that the reps put on their platform, but the dems and big govt isnt the answer. What part of 19 trillion dollar debt are you not getting? And for the last time, I am not saying to defund the FDA or anything else. I am saying eliminate redundancies and cut costs. Our govt is simply too big and spending way more than it takes in. FFS, you guys seem to want to keep spending like money grows on trees. We are nearing the end of that rope.

 

[ivwshane]

Honestly, you are both a bit loopy. Yes, lets go straight to - "this guy thinks govt. is too big therefore he must have been convinced by others". You know, it is entirely possible that some people are still left that think for themselves. I am registered independent but voted for Obama and Hilary, and I do mostly vote left mostly because of the absolutely nutty, religious, racist homophobic BS that the reps put on their platform, but the dems and big govt isnt the answer. What part of 19 trillion dollar debt are you not getting? And for the last time, I am not saying to defund the FDA or anything else. I am saying eliminate redundancies and cut costs. Our govt is simply too big and spending way more than it takes in. FFS, you guys seem to want to keep spending like money grows on trees. We are nearing the end of that rope.

The size of government is irrelevant. The efficiency of government, I find, is more important. Sometimes that requires government to be bigger and sometimes that requires government to be smaller.

 

[dank69]

Honestly, you are both a bit loopy. Yes, lets go straight to - "this guy thinks govt. is too big therefore he must have been convinced by others". You know, it is entirely possible that some people are still left that think for themselves. I am registered independent but voted for Obama and Hilary, and I do mostly vote left mostly because of the absolutely nutty, religious, racist homophobic BS that the reps put on their platform, but the dems and big govt isnt the answer. What part of 19 trillion dollar debt are you not getting? And for the last time, I am not saying to defund the FDA or anything else. I am saying eliminate redundancies and cut costs. Our govt is simply too big and spending way more than it takes in. FFS, you guys seem to want to keep spending like money grows on trees. We are nearing the end of that rope.

This is another false belief that billionaires are spending money to make sure you continue to believe it. We are nowhere near the end of the rope.

 

[retrospooty]

The size of government is irrelevant. The efficiency of government, I find, is more important. Sometimes that requires government to be bigger and sometimes that requires government to be smaller.

I suppose I could agree, but the thing is the larger an organization is, the less efficient it is. Pretty much human nature. We are a disorganized disconnected disagreeable bunch.

 

[retrospooty]

This is another false belief that billionaires are spending money to make sure you continue to believe it. We are nowhere near the end of the rope.

So you dont think our 19 trillion dollar debt is a problem? Just keep spending?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Honestly, you are both a bit loopy. Yes, lets go straight to - "this guy thinks govt. is too big therefore he must have been convinced by others". You know, it is entirely possible that some people are still left that think for themselves. I am registered independent but voted for Obama and Hilary, and I do mostly vote left mostly because of the absolutely nutty, religious, racist homophobic BS that the reps put on their platform, but the dems and big govt isnt the answer. What part of 19 trillion dollar debt are you not getting? And for the last time, I am not saying to defund the FDA or anything else. I am saying eliminate redundancies and cut costs. Our govt is simply too big and spending way more than it takes in. FFS, you guys seem to want to keep spending like money grows on trees. We are nearing the end of that rope.

I don't recall ever mentioning your political affiliation, but you've certainly made an assumption about mine. I get that we have a 19 trillion dollar debt, can you explain to me why you feel that's something to specifically be concerned about? Why is that worse than 18 trillion? Why is 20 trillion worse?

Yes, they're big, scary numbers, but what makes you think that it means anything in the context of running a country? Again, a country is not a household.

 

[dank69]

So you dont think our 19 trillion dollar debt is a problem? Just keep spending?

I think it is a problem, but not a problem that is out of control or near some scary tipping point. I honestly don't think any such tipping point even exists. The people that want more trickle-down policy are the ones that keep pushing FUD to convince you guys that we have some scary problem.

 

[retrospooty]

I don't recall ever mentioning your political affiliation, but you've certainly made an assumption about mine. I get that we have a 19 trillion dollar debt, can you explain to me why you feel that's something to specifically be concerned about? Why is that worse than 18 trillion? Why is 20 trillion worse?

Yes, they're big, scary numbers, but what makes you think that it means anything in the context of running a country? Again, a country is not a household.

That is like saying that tumor in your head weighs 5 oz. What makes you think it's worse than 4. Why is 6 worse. What makes you think it has anything to do with your health? Hey as long as you feel OK, don't worry about it.

 

[dank69]

That is like saying that tumor in your head weighs 5 oz. What makes you think it's worse than 4. Why is 6 worse. What makes you think it has anything to do with your health? Hey as long as you feel OK, don't worry about it.

No, it's not like that at all. Except for the part that there isn't much difference between the sizes.

 

[agent00f]

Or is that part still coming? Are you enjoying Putin laughing his ass off at us? Are you enjoying the divisiveness and turmoil caused by our pathological liar in chief?

OK, sorry, I had to troll a bit there. Seriously though, is your faith at least waning a bit by now? If not, what would it take?

Let's be serious about this. Trump could literally rape a woman on live TV everyday and these degenerates would still parrot the same things they always do. That's why that label is the perfect apt categorization.

 

[retrospooty]

Let's be serious about this. Trump could literally rape a woman on live TV everyday and these degenerates would still parrot the same things they always do. That's why that label is the perfect apt categorization.

True... He would just say its "fake news" and the video was CGI and blame the media, or Obama, or the dem party. hehehe

I think the real problem we have in the US is that at least 1/3 of the country (being very VERY generous there) are dumber than a stump. These are the lazy, racist, jobless, unskilled, uneducated people that blame minorities and immigrants for their inability to find steady work then vote for nuts like Trump

 

[agent00f]

True... He would just say its "fake news" and the video was CGI and blame the media, or Obama, or the dem party. hehehe

It won't just be him saying it but the gop base repeating it, not because they believe it but it's just what degenerates will sink to keep their own identity/interests in office.

 

[rvborgh]

The 19 trillion debt is the base for our monetary system and what the private Fed member banks use to lever up credit. The Fed also uses this debt to vary the money supply (open market operations). If the US debt was unraveled... the world would no longer have fiat US dollars. We effectively would have no money.

Since its the base of our money supply and our population also increases... and because of the need to service interest payments... the national debt must increase.

The US had to choose between having a fiat currency backed by an ever increasing national debt, or gold. in 1933 they chose fiat internally, and in 1971 fiat externally.

So you dont think our 19 trillion dollar debt is a problem? Just keep spending?

 

[agent00f]

The 19 trillion debt is the base for our monetary system and what the private Fed member banks use to lever up credit. The Fed also uses this debt to vary the money supply (open market operations). If the US debt was unraveled... the world would no longer have fiat US dollars. We effectively would have no money.

Since its the base of our money supply and our population also increases... and because of the need to service interest payments... the national debt must increase.

The US had to choose between having a fiat currency backed by an ever increasing national debt, or gold. in 1933 they chose fiat internally, and in 1971 fiat externally.

The debt itself (or more specifically the interest on said "debt") is also just a choice in fiat currency. The treasury is entirely free to spend without incurring any; it's just an accounting abstraction either way.

 

[rvborgh]

As best as i understand it the Treasury only spends electronic or physical Federal Reserve Credit Notes... which are always backed by US debt (either past emissions of debt collected from the Taxpayers, or new debt - ie bonds).

i think there is a law that keeps the USG from emitting more than a certain amount of US Treasury Notes.

Yes, i guess you can think of the entire Federal Reserve System as an accounting database of sorts with the units enforced by the courts, the IRS, and the secret service (anti counterfeiting).

its definitely not an abstraction when the government comes down on you when you cannot pay private or public debt (taxes) though.

The debt itself (or more specifically the interest on said "debt") is also just a choice in fiat currency. The treasury is entirely free to spend without incurring any; it's just an accounting abstraction either way.

 

[agent00f]

As best as i understand it the Treasury only spends electronic or physical Federal Reserve Credit Notes... which are always backed by US debt (either past emissions of debt collected from the Taxpayers, or new debt - ie bonds).

i think there is a law that keeps the USG from emitting more than a certain amount of US Treasury Notes.

Yes there is a legal mechanism to incur debt (ie borrow to spend, or more specifically spend and then borrow to balance the accounts), but such laws are just an arbitrary choice. Contrast to the mentioned gold standard or such where the debt is physically inescapable.

 

[mect]

Let's be serious about this. Trump could literally rape a woman on live TV everyday and these degenerates would still parrot the same things they always do. That's why that label is the perfect apt categorization.

 

[flexy]

I know he's working for us and not corporate/political interests.

Trump is THE posterchild for "corporate/political interests", to a point that he symbolizes them. Amazing that millions of Americans are not seeing this respective have not seen this, and voted this man in office.

He, the man ranting against globalism, who himself has hundreds of business relations ALL AROUND THE FUCKING GLOBE who he owes his wealth to.The man who is deeply involved in business with China, the man who hires illegals for his contructions or migrants for his resorts.

You say he "works for us" and that he is anti-corporate, and he just assembled an admin that consists of the biggest corporate bigwigs in history, with Exxon execs, lawyers for Verizon.

"He works for us", except that he is about to cut EPA (do you know what EPA is?), about to cut healthcare benefits for those who would actually need them, net neutraulity.... cutting meals for school kids, JUST TO NAME a few....and each single decision here is absolutely against the people" and solely and 100% only benefiting big money interests - and you still believing he works for you?

Trump IS ALL about corporate interests! It is the FUCKING ESSENCE of his presidency since he believes that America can only be "Made Great" by giving them all the power they can get and that the wealth of these elites then would magically trickle down to everyone else. It is mind boggling that you don't seem to grasp this and just stated that you think he doesn't work for corporate interests "but for us".

He is also (AND OF COURSE) working for political interests because he *just* got Exxon execs and X and Y and Z execs and lawyers into the admin and literally and very real gave them power to govern and to make laws.

 

[Phokus]

Obstruction of justice, collussion with russians, destroying american institutions, trying to ram through a disasterous healthcare bill, i can't stand all this winning!

 

[ivwshane]

True... He would just say its "fake news" and the video was CGI and blame the media, or Obama, or the dem party. hehehe

I think the real problem we have in the US is that at least 1/3 of the country (being very VERY generous there) are dumber than a stump. These are the lazy, racist, jobless, unskilled, uneducated people that blame minorities and immigrants for their inability to find steady work then vote for nuts like Trump

I don't think they are lazy or they are deliberately racist but they are ignorant but so is the vast majority of the country. They do appear to have economic and racial anxieties though.

 

[retrospooty]

Obstruction of justice, collussion with russians, destroying american institutions, trying to ram through a disasterous healthcare bill, i can't stand all this winning!

Dont forget standing up to all the lies that the dems, the msmedia, his staffers and the FBI are telling about him.

 

[0roo0roo]

Its been great watching the left burn its own credibility

in every way possible.

You are the reds under the bed.