Well this sucks and I hate being right all the time. Ocean's heating waaay faster than thought.

Hayabusa Rider

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WASHINGTON POST ›
Startling new research finds large buildup of heat in the oceans, suggesting a faster rate of global warming
OCTOBER 31, 2018
The findings mean the world might have less time to curb carbon emissions.
The world’s oceans have been soaking up far more excess heat in recent decades than scientists realized, suggesting that Earth could be set to warm even faster than predicted in the years ahead, according to new research published Wednesday.
Over the past quarter-century, the Earth’s oceans have retained 60 percent more heat each year than scientists previously had thought, said Laure Resplandy, a geoscientist at Princeton University who led the startling study published Wednesday in the journal Nature. The difference represents an enormous amount of additional energy, originating from the sun and trapped by the Earth’s atmosphere — more than 8 times the world’s energy consumption, year after year.
In the scientific realm, the new findings help to resolve long-running doubts about the rate of the warming of the oceans before 2007, when reliable measurements from devices called “Argo floats” were put to use worldwide. Before that, different types of temperature records — and an overall lack of them — contributed to murkiness about how quickly the oceans were heating up.
The higher-than-expected amount of heat in the oceans means more heat is being retained within the Earth’s climate system each year, rather than escaping into space. In essence, more heat in the oceans signals that global warming itself is more advanced than scientists thought.
“We thought that we got away with not a lot of warming in both the ocean and the atmosphere for the amount of CO2 that we emitted,” said Resplandy, who published the work with experts from the Scripps Institution of Oceanography and several other institutions in the U.S., China, France and Germany. “But we were wrong. The planet warmed more than we thought. It was hidden from us just because we didn’t sample it right. But it was there. It was in the ocean already.”
Wednesday’s study also could have important policy implications. If ocean temperatures are rising more rapidly than previously calculated, that could leave nations even less time to dramatically cut the world’s emissions of carbon dioxide, in hopes of limiting global warming to the ambitious goal of 1.5 degrees Celsius (2.7 degrees Fahrenheit) above preindustrial levels.
The world already has warmed 1 degree Celsius (1.8 degrees Fahrenheit) since the late 19th century. Scientists backed by the United Nations reported this month that with warming projected to steadily increase, the world faces a daunting challenge in trying to limit that warming to only another half-degree Celsius. The group found that it would take “unprecedented” action by leaders across the globe over the coming decade to even have a shot at that goal.
Meanwhile, the Trump administration has continued to roll back regulations aimed at reducing carbon emissions from vehicles, coal plants and other sources, and has said it intends to withdraw from the Paris climate accord. In one instance, the administration relied on an assumption that the planet will warm a disastrous 7 degrees Fahrenheit, or about 4 degrees Celsius, by the end of the century in arguing that a proposal to ease vehicle fuel-efficiency standards would have only minor climate impacts.
The new research underscores the potential consequences of global inaction. Rapidly warming oceans mean that seas will rise faster and that more heat will be delivered to critical locations that already are facing the effects of a warming climate, such as coral reefs in the tropics and the ice sheets of Greenland and Antarctica.
“In case the larger estimate of ocean heat uptake turns out to be true, adaptation to — and mitigation of — our changing climate would become more urgent,” said Pieter Tans, leader of the Carbon Cycle Greenhouse Gases Group at NOAA, who was not involved in the study.
The oceans absorb more than 90 percent of the excess energy trapped within the world’s atmosphere.
The new research does not measure the ocean’s temperature directly. Rather, it measures the volume of gases, specifically oxygen and carbon dioxide, that have escaped the ocean in recent decades and headed into the atmosphere as it heats up. The method offered scientists a reliable indicator of ocean temperature change because it reflects a fundamental behavior of a liquid when heated.
“When the ocean warms, it loses some gas to the atmosphere,” said Resplandy. “That’s an analogy that I make all the time: if you leave your Coke in the sun, it will lose the gas.”
This approach allowed researchers to recheck the contested history of ocean temperatures in a different and novel way. In doing so, they came up with a higher number for how much warming the oceans have experienced over time.
“I feel like this is a triumph of earth system science. That we could get confirmation from atmospheric gases of ocean heat content is extraordinary,” said Joellen Russell, a professor and oceanographer at the University of Arizona. “You’ve got the A-team here on this paper.”
But Russell said the findings themselves are hardly as uplifting.
“(It) does have implications for climate sensitivity, meaning how warm does a certain amount of CO2 make us,” Russell said, adding that the world could have a smaller “carbon budget” than once thought. That budget refers to the amount of carbon dioxide humans can emit while still being able to keep warming below dangerous levels.
The scientists calculated that because of the increased heat already stored in the ocean, the maximum emissions that the world can produce while still avoiding a warming of 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 Fahrenheit) would have to be reduced by 25 percent. This represents a very significant shrinkage of an already very narrow carbon ‘budget.’
The U.N. panel of climate scientists said recently that global carbon emissions must be cut in half by 2030 if the world hopes to remain beneath 1.5 Celsius of warming. But Resplandy said that the evidence of faster warming ocean “shifts the probability, making it harder to stay below the 1.5 degree temperature target.
Understanding what’s happening with Earth’s oceans is critical simply because they, far more than the atmosphere, are the mirror of ongoing climate change.
According to a major climate report released last year by the U.S. government, the world’s oceans have absorbed about 93 percent of the excess heat caused by greenhouse gases since the mid-20th century. Scientists have found that ocean heat has increased at all depths since the 1960s, while surface waters also have warmed. The federal climate report projected a global increase in average sea surface temperatures of as high as nearly 5 degrees Fahrenheit by 2100 if emissions continue unabated, with even higher levels of warming in some U.S. coastal regions.
The world’s oceans also currently absorb more than a quarter of the carbon dioxide emitted annually from human activities — an effect making them more acidic and threatening fragile ecosystems, federal researchers say. “The rate of acidification is unparalleled in at least the past 66 million years,” the government climate report stated.
Paul Durack, a research scientist at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California, said Wednesday’s study offers “a really interesting new insight” but is “quite alarming.”
The warming found in the study is “more than twice the rates of long-term warming estimates from 1960s and 70s to the present,” Durack said, adding that if these rates are validated by further studies, “it means the rate of warming and the sensitivity of the Earth’s system to greenhouse gases is at the upper end.” He said that if scientists have underestimated the amount of heat taken up by the oceans, “it will mean we need to go back to the drawing board” on the aggressiveness of mitigation actions the world needs to take promptly to limit future warming.
Beyond the long-term implications of warmer oceans, Russell added that in the short term, even small changes in ocean temperatures can affect weather in specific places. For instance, scientists have said warmer oceans off the coast of New England have contributed to more intense winter storms.
“We’re only just now discovering how important ocean warming is to our daily lives, to our daily weather,” she said.


Heating the ocean means the faster we cook the dominant oxygen producing organism.

Nice.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I wonder what it takes to be enough for us to take it seriously.

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Paratus

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We're pretty screwed bitches.


WASHINGTON POST ›
Startling new research finds large buildup of heat in the oceans, suggesting a faster rate of global warming
OCTOBER 31, 2018
The findings mean the world might have less time to curb carbon emissions.
The world’s oceans have been soaking up far more excess heat in recent decades than scientists realized, suggesting that Earth could be set to warm even faster than predicted in the years ahead, according to new research published Wednesday.
Over the past quarter-century, the Earth’s oceans have retained 60 percent more heat each year than scientists previously had thought, said Laure Resplandy, a geoscientist at Princeton University who led the startling study published Wednesday in the journal Nature. The difference represents an enormous amount of additional energy, originating from the sun and trapped by the Earth’s atmosphere — more than 8 times the world’s energy consumption, year after year.
In the scientific realm, the new findings help to resolve long-running doubts about the rate of the warming of the oceans before 2007, when reliable measurements from devices called “Argo floats” were put to use worldwide. Before that, different types of temperature records — and an overall lack of them — contributed to murkiness about how quickly the oceans were heating up.
The higher-than-expected amount of heat in the oceans means more heat is being retained within the Earth’s climate system each year, rather than escaping into space. In essence, more heat in the oceans signals that global warming itself is more advanced than scientists thought.
“We thought that we got away with not a lot of warming in both the ocean and the atmosphere for the amount of CO2 that we emitted,” said Resplandy, who published the work with experts from the Scripps Institution of Oceanography and several other institutions in the U.S., China, France and Germany. “But we were wrong. The planet warmed more than we thought. It was hidden from us just because we didn’t sample it right. But it was there. It was in the ocean already.”
Wednesday’s study also could have important policy implications. If ocean temperatures are rising more rapidly than previously calculated, that could leave nations even less time to dramatically cut the world’s emissions of carbon dioxide, in hopes of limiting global warming to the ambitious goal of 1.5 degrees Celsius (2.7 degrees Fahrenheit) above preindustrial levels.
The world already has warmed 1 degree Celsius (1.8 degrees Fahrenheit) since the late 19th century. Scientists backed by the United Nations reported this month that with warming projected to steadily increase, the world faces a daunting challenge in trying to limit that warming to only another half-degree Celsius. The group found that it would take “unprecedented” action by leaders across the globe over the coming decade to even have a shot at that goal.
Meanwhile, the Trump administration has continued to roll back regulations aimed at reducing carbon emissions from vehicles, coal plants and other sources, and has said it intends to withdraw from the Paris climate accord. In one instance, the administration relied on an assumption that the planet will warm a disastrous 7 degrees Fahrenheit, or about 4 degrees Celsius, by the end of the century in arguing that a proposal to ease vehicle fuel-efficiency standards would have only minor climate impacts.
The new research underscores the potential consequences of global inaction. Rapidly warming oceans mean that seas will rise faster and that more heat will be delivered to critical locations that already are facing the effects of a warming climate, such as coral reefs in the tropics and the ice sheets of Greenland and Antarctica.
“In case the larger estimate of ocean heat uptake turns out to be true, adaptation to — and mitigation of — our changing climate would become more urgent,” said Pieter Tans, leader of the Carbon Cycle Greenhouse Gases Group at NOAA, who was not involved in the study.
The oceans absorb more than 90 percent of the excess energy trapped within the world’s atmosphere.
The new research does not measure the ocean’s temperature directly. Rather, it measures the volume of gases, specifically oxygen and carbon dioxide, that have escaped the ocean in recent decades and headed into the atmosphere as it heats up. The method offered scientists a reliable indicator of ocean temperature change because it reflects a fundamental behavior of a liquid when heated.
“When the ocean warms, it loses some gas to the atmosphere,” said Resplandy. “That’s an analogy that I make all the time: if you leave your Coke in the sun, it will lose the gas.”
This approach allowed researchers to recheck the contested history of ocean temperatures in a different and novel way. In doing so, they came up with a higher number for how much warming the oceans have experienced over time.
“I feel like this is a triumph of earth system science. That we could get confirmation from atmospheric gases of ocean heat content is extraordinary,” said Joellen Russell, a professor and oceanographer at the University of Arizona. “You’ve got the A-team here on this paper.”
But Russell said the findings themselves are hardly as uplifting.
“(It) does have implications for climate sensitivity, meaning how warm does a certain amount of CO2 make us,” Russell said, adding that the world could have a smaller “carbon budget” than once thought. That budget refers to the amount of carbon dioxide humans can emit while still being able to keep warming below dangerous levels.
The scientists calculated that because of the increased heat already stored in the ocean, the maximum emissions that the world can produce while still avoiding a warming of 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 Fahrenheit) would have to be reduced by 25 percent. This represents a very significant shrinkage of an already very narrow carbon ‘budget.’
The U.N. panel of climate scientists said recently that global carbon emissions must be cut in half by 2030 if the world hopes to remain beneath 1.5 Celsius of warming. But Resplandy said that the evidence of faster warming ocean “shifts the probability, making it harder to stay below the 1.5 degree temperature target.
Understanding what’s happening with Earth’s oceans is critical simply because they, far more than the atmosphere, are the mirror of ongoing climate change.
According to a major climate report released last year by the U.S. government, the world’s oceans have absorbed about 93 percent of the excess heat caused by greenhouse gases since the mid-20th century. Scientists have found that ocean heat has increased at all depths since the 1960s, while surface waters also have warmed. The federal climate report projected a global increase in average sea surface temperatures of as high as nearly 5 degrees Fahrenheit by 2100 if emissions continue unabated, with even higher levels of warming in some U.S. coastal regions.
The world’s oceans also currently absorb more than a quarter of the carbon dioxide emitted annually from human activities — an effect making them more acidic and threatening fragile ecosystems, federal researchers say. “The rate of acidification is unparalleled in at least the past 66 million years,” the government climate report stated.
Paul Durack, a research scientist at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California, said Wednesday’s study offers “a really interesting new insight” but is “quite alarming.”
The warming found in the study is “more than twice the rates of long-term warming estimates from 1960s and 70s to the present,” Durack said, adding that if these rates are validated by further studies, “it means the rate of warming and the sensitivity of the Earth’s system to greenhouse gases is at the upper end.” He said that if scientists have underestimated the amount of heat taken up by the oceans, “it will mean we need to go back to the drawing board” on the aggressiveness of mitigation actions the world needs to take promptly to limit future warming.
Beyond the long-term implications of warmer oceans, Russell added that in the short term, even small changes in ocean temperatures can affect weather in specific places. For instance, scientists have said warmer oceans off the coast of New England have contributed to more intense winter storms.
“We’re only just now discovering how important ocean warming is to our daily lives, to our daily weather,” she said.


Heating the ocean means the faster we cook the dominant oxygen producing organism.

Nice.

Yup been posting this graph for years here:
heat_content2000m.png

So from 1969 - 2018 the oceans have gained
34 X 10^22 joules of energy. This is equivalent to:
  • 70% of the Chicxulub meteor impact (the asteroid impact that killed the dinosaurs 66million years ago)
  • Enough energy to run an average hurricane (5.2X10^19J/day) for about 18 years straight
  • The energy released by 150 “Fat Man” sized atomic bombs (21kt of tnt) being detonated every minute for 49 years straight
Now will this convince a denier that climate change is a problem? No

Science can’t really give us an answer to that. It can however bound the problem.

So by equivalence we do know that it would take more than a medium sized dinosaur killer asteroid and greater than 150 A bombs a minute to get through their thick skulls that this is a problem.
 

SlowSpyder

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I'm almost 700' above sea level... None of this matters, at worst we have to move inland. The real problem is our exploding population, this is just window dressing.
 

itsmydamnation

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I'm almost 700' above sea level... None of this matters, at worst we have to move inland. The real problem is our exploding population, this is just window dressing.

Yep those crazy inlanders , they dont need food , water or oxygen.....
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I'm almost 700' above sea level... None of this matters, at worst we have to move inland. The real problem is our exploding population, this is just window dressing.


So when the phytoplankton die off due to increasing temperatures your altitude will save you from not having enough oxygen for you and humans at large to avoid dying, along with most other animal life.

As someone keen on science perhaps you can explain how you will live without enough air? Lots of scuba tanks?
 

WelshBloke

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I'm almost 700' above sea level... None of this matters, at worst we have to move inland. The real problem is our exploding population, this is just window dressing.
Complains about rising population, is not worried that there'll be less land and less arable land to support them, doesn't realise that they will move to his area.
 
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SlowSpyder

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Complains about rising population, is not worried that there'll be less land and less arable land to support them, doesn't realise that they will move to his area.


Like I said, until we do something about our exploding population, the rest are just subnotes in regards to the environmental problems we face and will face.
 

ch33zw1z

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So when the phytoplankton die off due to increasing temperatures your altitude will save you from not having enough oxygen for you and humans at large to avoid dying, along with most other animal life.

As someone keen on science perhaps you can explain how you will live without enough air? Lots of scuba tanks?

Spaceballs style
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Like I said, until we do something about our exploding population, the rest are just subnotes in regards to the environmental problems we face and will face.

You seem to keep insisting death by asphyxia is a subnote.
 

Thebobo

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Not only sea level rise but the more freshwater from thawing ice will change the salinity and PH of the ocean and ocean currents as well and all that affects everything food climate etc. I tried for 40+ years doing what little I could it may seem like nothing but it's better than taking the opposite side and spouting denial. At this point fuck it leave it up to the deplorables.