Well...this 360 lasted a whole 5 days....

[Glitchny]

Hmm i've had my 360 since launch, never had an issue except 2ksports All-Star Football which freezes when you do an onsides kick in the last 2min (most likely the game not the system ;-) )

And i have played long sessions of gaming etc with no problems. Just make sure there is proper venting/space in ur entertainment center, dont put it on a carpeted floor, and in general just make sure u dont kick it etc. Also standing it up has always seemed like an invitation for failure to me.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: jman19
LOL cmdrdredd is quite the MS apologist, isn't he?

No I sound rational unlike the people who come in to a forum and say some BS about "my 3rd xbox died today" or some nonsense.

The forums are not patrolled by MS reps who can help you. Nobody here can do a thing about your "issues".

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: jman19
LOL cmdrdredd is quite the MS apologist, isn't he?

No I sound rational unlike the people who come in to a forum and say some BS about "my 3rd xbox died today" or some nonsense.

Yeah, being pissed at having your xbox break 3 times certainly isn't rational... 😕

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: jman19
LOL cmdrdredd is quite the MS apologist, isn't he?

No I sound rational unlike the people who come in to a forum and say some BS about "my 3rd xbox died today" or some nonsense.

Yeah, being pissed at having your xbox break 3 times certainly isn't rational... 😕

It's usually a lie. most people who claim something like that never owned an xbox, or didn't own 3 of them. I've seen this on other forums too.

I don't care if you think the xbox sucks, or is a junk system as far as hardware goes. Hell, what did you think when the failure rate of early PS2s was so terrible and Sony didn't do anything? At least MS tells people they will fix the system.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: nboy22
That really sucks. I'm sitting here wondering about all this though, I must have like the luckiest xbox 360.

Maybe yours and mine were from the same batch. Mine is a launch 360, and it is used in some manner almost every day - HD-DVDs and games. Never one issue at all.

I'll join you guys conditionally. I too have a launch console, but at the same time my 360 occasionally signals to my TV that it's no longer sending a video signal, and the DVD drive doesn't always open properly. Both issues correct themselves... for now.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: nboy22
That really sucks. I'm sitting here wondering about all this though, I must have like the luckiest xbox 360.

Maybe yours and mine were from the same batch. Mine is a launch 360, and it is used in some manner almost every day - HD-DVDs and games. Never one issue at all.

I'll join you guys conditionally. I too have a launch console, but at the same time my 360 occasionally signals to my TV that it's no longer sending a video signal, and the DVD drive doesn't always open properly. Both issues correct themselves... for now.

i'd wager something is amiss inside the system somewhere...

 

[Dacalo]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

All electronics have a chance for some sort of issue. Most of the time it's user error or misuse, misplacement, and not doing proper cleaning of the surrounding area and components that leads to electronic failure. For all other times, just get it fixed.

Peter Moore, is that you? 😕

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: jman19
LOL cmdrdredd is quite the MS apologist, isn't he?

No I sound rational unlike the people who come in to a forum and say some BS about "my 3rd xbox died today" or some nonsense.

Yeah, being pissed at having your xbox break 3 times certainly isn't rational... 😕

It's usually a lie. most people who claim something like that never owned an xbox, or didn't own 3 of them. I've seen this on other forums too.

I don't care if you think the xbox sucks, or is a junk system as far as hardware goes. Hell, what did you think when the failure rate of early PS2s was so terrible and Sony didn't do anything? At least MS tells people they will fix the system.

I'm not sure why you are so defensive over an issue that MS admits.

I don't think the system sucks, I want to buy one. It is disappointing that the system was not reliably constructed, however.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: jman19
LOL cmdrdredd is quite the MS apologist, isn't he?

No I sound rational unlike the people who come in to a forum and say some BS about "my 3rd xbox died today" or some nonsense.

Yeah, being pissed at having your xbox break 3 times certainly isn't rational... 😕

It's usually a lie. most people who claim something like that never owned an xbox, or didn't own 3 of them. I've seen this on other forums too.

I don't care if you think the xbox sucks, or is a junk system as far as hardware goes. Hell, what did you think when the failure rate of early PS2s was so terrible and Sony didn't do anything? At least MS tells people they will fix the system.

I'm not sure why you are so defensive over an issue that MS admits.

I don't think the system sucks, I want to buy one. It is disappointing that the system was not reliably constructed, however.

Sorry you think that way, but there are a ton of happy owners who have no issues to report. Most of the people with working systems obviously won't come shouting on a forum for you to read about. It's true however, that many of these same posts that I mention in passing are from those who either don't own an Xbox or just wish to spread false information. I won't say that every xbox is fine now, but it's not like if you buy one now you're instantly doomed to have it break in a short time. Far from that I think.

Is that fair to say? I think so.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Dacalo

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

All electronics have a chance for some sort of issue. Most of the time it's user error or misuse, misplacement, and not doing proper cleaning of the surrounding area and components that leads to electronic failure. For all other times, just get it fixed.

Peter Moore, is that you? 😕

I've even seen Broken Wiis, in fact my neighbor had a Wii that gave him a disk error right out of the box. Try getting a replacement on that piece of machinery lol.

But in all fairness, this business that every xbox is defective is a outright lie. You know it as well as I do. It'd gotten out of hand to the point where potential buyers are afraid to even get one of the NEW systems with the 65nm CPU and all which is a far sight better than the original design.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Dacalo

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

All electronics have a chance for some sort of issue. Most of the time it's user error or misuse, misplacement, and not doing proper cleaning of the surrounding area and components that leads to electronic failure. For all other times, just get it fixed.

Peter Moore, is that you? 😕

I've even seen Broken Wiis, in fact my neighbor had a Wii that gave him a disk error right out of the box. Try getting a replacement on that piece of machinery lol.

But in all fairness, this business that every xbox is defective is a outright lie. You know it as well as I do. It'd gotten out of hand to the point where potential buyers are afraid to even get one of the NEW systems with the 65nm CPU and all which is a far sight better than the original design.

It is an undisputable fact that every Xbox 360 before the Falcon revision is defective. There is a design flaw, and it causes a high rate of failure. The Falcon hasn't been out long enough to say how much better it is, if at all. But it is likely that it is better.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Dacalo

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

All electronics have a chance for some sort of issue. Most of the time it's user error or misuse, misplacement, and not doing proper cleaning of the surrounding area and components that leads to electronic failure. For all other times, just get it fixed.

Peter Moore, is that you? 😕

I've even seen Broken Wiis, in fact my neighbor had a Wii that gave him a disk error right out of the box. Try getting a replacement on that piece of machinery lol.

But in all fairness, this business that every xbox is defective is a outright lie. You know it as well as I do. It'd gotten out of hand to the point where potential buyers are afraid to even get one of the NEW systems with the 65nm CPU and all which is a far sight better than the original design.

It is an undisputable fact that every Xbox 360 before the Falcon revision is defective. There is a design flaw, and it causes a high rate of failure. The Falcon hasn't been out long enough to say how much better it is, if at all. But it is likely that it is better.

Every one is defective? My GF had her 360 from day 1 no problems, I've had mine from day 1 no problems. So no, it isn't every single one. We leave our systems on probably 20 hours a day (logged into FFXI).

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Dacalo

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

All electronics have a chance for some sort of issue. Most of the time it's user error or misuse, misplacement, and not doing proper cleaning of the surrounding area and components that leads to electronic failure. For all other times, just get it fixed.

Peter Moore, is that you? 😕

I've even seen Broken Wiis, in fact my neighbor had a Wii that gave him a disk error right out of the box. Try getting a replacement on that piece of machinery lol.

But in all fairness, this business that every xbox is defective is a outright lie. You know it as well as I do. It'd gotten out of hand to the point where potential buyers are afraid to even get one of the NEW systems with the 65nm CPU and all which is a far sight better than the original design.

It is an undisputable fact that every Xbox 360 before the Falcon revision is defective. There is a design flaw, and it causes a high rate of failure. The Falcon hasn't been out long enough to say how much better it is, if at all. But it is likely that it is better.

Every one is defective? My GF had her 360 from day 1 no problems, I've had mine from day 1 no problems. So no, it isn't every single one. We leave our systems on probably 20 hours a day (logged into FFXI).

I don't care if it hasn't had problems yet. It has a design flaw. Do you understand what that means? It's like the gas tank on the Ford Pinto. Even though they didn't all blow up, they were all affected by the same design flaw and therefore all defective.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Dacalo

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

All electronics have a chance for some sort of issue. Most of the time it's user error or misuse, misplacement, and not doing proper cleaning of the surrounding area and components that leads to electronic failure. For all other times, just get it fixed.

Peter Moore, is that you? 😕

I've even seen Broken Wiis, in fact my neighbor had a Wii that gave him a disk error right out of the box. Try getting a replacement on that piece of machinery lol.

But in all fairness, this business that every xbox is defective is a outright lie. You know it as well as I do. It'd gotten out of hand to the point where potential buyers are afraid to even get one of the NEW systems with the 65nm CPU and all which is a far sight better than the original design.

It is an undisputable fact that every Xbox 360 before the Falcon revision is defective. There is a design flaw, and it causes a high rate of failure. The Falcon hasn't been out long enough to say how much better it is, if at all. But it is likely that it is better.

Every one is defective? My GF had her 360 from day 1 no problems, I've had mine from day 1 no problems. So no, it isn't every single one. We leave our systems on probably 20 hours a day (logged into FFXI).

I don't care if it hasn't had problems yet. It has a design flaw. Do you understand what that means? It's like the gas tank on the Ford Pinto. Even though they didn't all blow up, they were all affected by the same design flaw and therefore all defective.

You can say that if you want. It's just not fucking true. If they were ALL defective they would ALL break. Since they have NOT then you are WRONG. GET IT?

Widespread problem does not mean every system will break no matter what.

 

[Andres3605]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Dacalo

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

All electronics have a chance for some sort of issue. Most of the time it's user error or misuse, misplacement, and not doing proper cleaning of the surrounding area and components that leads to electronic failure. For all other times, just get it fixed.

Peter Moore, is that you? 😕

I've even seen Broken Wiis, in fact my neighbor had a Wii that gave him a disk error right out of the box. Try getting a replacement on that piece of machinery lol.

But in all fairness, this business that every xbox is defective is a outright lie. You know it as well as I do. It'd gotten out of hand to the point where potential buyers are afraid to even get one of the NEW systems with the 65nm CPU and all which is a far sight better than the original design.

It is an undisputable fact that every Xbox 360 before the Falcon revision is defective. There is a design flaw, and it causes a high rate of failure. The Falcon hasn't been out long enough to say how much better it is, if at all. But it is likely that it is better.

Every one is defective? My GF had her 360 from day 1 no problems, I've had mine from day 1 no problems. So no, it isn't every single one. We leave our systems on probably 20 hours a day (logged into FFXI).

I don't care if it hasn't had problems yet. It has a design flaw. Do you understand what that means? It's like the gas tank on the Ford Pinto. Even though they didn't all blow up, they were all affected by the same design flaw and therefore all defective.

You can say that if you want. It's just not fucking true. If they were ALL defective they would ALL break. Since they have NOT then you are WRONG. GET IT?

Widespread problem does not mean every system will break no matter what.

Microsoft accepted there was a design problem causing a failure rate higher than usual, that is a fact, as a costumer Xbox 360 owners can express their opinion about a known issue in this forum.

The way Microsoft reacted increasing the warranty to 3 years is acceptable in my opinion, and is pretty good response in their part, but thats a whole different issue than the reported RROD issues.

<< Xbox 360 owner with no issues so far.

 

[livingsacrifice]

I've owned 3 of these things so far and have only had a problem with one of them, infact it still works, for about 10 minutes till it has a red ring error code. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: jman19
LOL cmdrdredd is quite the MS apologist, isn't he?

No I sound rational unlike the people who come in to a forum and say some BS about "my 3rd xbox died today" or some nonsense.

Yeah, being pissed at having your xbox break 3 times certainly isn't rational... 😕

It's usually a lie. most people who claim something like that never owned an xbox, or didn't own 3 of them. I've seen this on other forums too.

I don't care if you think the xbox sucks, or is a junk system as far as hardware goes. Hell, what did you think when the failure rate of early PS2s was so terrible and Sony didn't do anything? At least MS tells people they will fix the system.

I'm not sure why you are so defensive over an issue that MS admits.

I don't think the system sucks, I want to buy one. It is disappointing that the system was not reliably constructed, however.

Sorry you think that way, but there are a ton of happy owners who have no issues to report. Most of the people with working systems obviously won't come shouting on a forum for you to read about. It's true however, that many of these same posts that I mention in passing are from those who either don't own an Xbox or just wish to spread false information. I won't say that every xbox is fine now, but it's not like if you buy one now you're instantly doomed to have it break in a short time. Far from that I think.

Is that fair to say? I think so.

I didn't say ALL Xbox 360's are screwed up, but there is a higher than acceptable failure rate for this machine, and MS itself has admitted this. You are such a homer it is laughable :laugh:

 

[warcrow]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: jman19
LOL cmdrdredd is quite the MS apologist, isn't he?

No I sound rational unlike the people who come in to a forum and say some BS about "my 3rd xbox died today" or some nonsense.

Yeah, being pissed at having your xbox break 3 times certainly isn't rational... 😕

It's usually a lie. most people who claim something like that never owned an xbox, or didn't own 3 of them. I've seen this on other forums too.

I don't care if you think the xbox sucks, or is a junk system as far as hardware goes. Hell, what did you think when the failure rate of early PS2s was so terrible and Sony didn't do anything? At least MS tells people they will fix the system.

How on Earth would you know this as fact?! How can you possible think stating something like that would convince us all? Do you really think that people posting about defunct 360s are "usually" lying like you stated? Think about what you're saying here. It makes no sense.

The only reason I can argue the opposite is because MS has admitted to a hardware issue and Gamestop has stopped offering extended warranties on the 360s because its no longer a lucrative business for them.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
You can say that if you want. It's just not fucking true. If they were ALL defective they would ALL break. Since they have NOT then you are WRONG. GET IT?

Widespread problem does not mean every system will break no matter what.

I agree with Mugs actually. A design flaw does not mean that all affected devices will have an issue. A flaw requires certain events to occur (such as hitting the back of the car) to cause the flaw's consequence (such as blowing up) to occur. The 360 has an issue with cooling design that causes the board flexing that causes the solder points to break (if I remember correctly). The events are a bit harder to have occur than simply ramming the rear end of a car 😛.

 

[oznerol]

"Things break."

Anyway, I'm my experience (and opinion), the failure rate of an older 360 is pathetically high - maybe 80%? However, especially now after Microsoft has admitted to and rectified the issue, failure rates of your 2nd console is much lower.

I would also go so far to say that the more times a console dies for a single individual, the greater the odds of user error than anything else (some have claimed to have had to send it back to Microsoft 7 times!?). Apparently keeping your console running in a plastic bag isn't the best thing for it.

To the OP - I'm intrigued as to what you checked to make sure it was the "newest model for heat, etc." Just because it is an elite does not mean it is special - many are almost identical to their premium/arcade counterparts with poor cooling and the older CPUs. Also, sometimes the console crashes when the DVD drive is malfunctioning, in which case even newer consoles are vulnerable. I'd check to make sure it's not scratching your discs, and also, if you aren't doing so already, run your 360 laying flat, not standing up.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

You can say that if you want. It's just not fucking true. If they were ALL defective they would ALL break. Since they have NOT then you are WRONG. GET IT?

Widespread problem does not mean every system will break no matter what.

You're arguing semantics really. I think a flawed design is a defect, you think it is not. Potato/tomato. I'll tell you what though, I and many other people have Atari 2600s that are nearly 30 years old and still functional. I don't think anyone will be saying that about the first two years worth of Xbox 360s in even 10 years, even if you take mechanical parts like the DVD drive and hard drive out of the equation.

Not that it stopped me from buying one. Some people here would probably call me an Xbox 360 fanboy even.* I just bought mine at Costco because of the known design flaw and Costco's return policy.

* I wouldn't call myself an Xbox 360 fanboy, but others might. The Xbox was the last system I bought from the previous generation, and I had the fewest games for it. I bought the Wii first this generation. I just love my 360 because there are so many great games and Xbox Live is awesome. Not a fanboy though; I have a PS3 too, albeit with only two games.

 

[bowdenball]

Originally posted by: ducci
"Things break."

Anyway, I'm my experience (and opinion), the failure rate of an older 360 is pathetically high - maybe 80%? However, especially now after Microsoft has admitted to and rectified the issue, failure rates of your 2nd console is much lower.

I would also go so far to say that the more times a console dies for a single individual, the greater the odds of user error than anything else (some have claimed to have had to send it back to Microsoft 7 times!?). Apparently keeping your console running in a plastic bag isn't the best thing for it.

To the OP - I'm intrigued as to what you checked to make sure it was the "newest model for heat, etc." Just because it is an elite does not mean it is special - many are almost identical to their premium/arcade counterparts with poor cooling and the older CPUs. Also, sometimes the console crashes when the DVD drive is malfunctioning, in which case even newer consoles are vulnerable. I'd check to make sure it's not scratching your discs, and also, if you aren't doing so already, run your 360 laying flat, not standing up.

I checked the lot number, date of production, power wattage, and checked with a flashlight through the machine as described here many times. The disks never got scratched, but I had worn out of patience with the 360 (which i hated since the gaming selection for newer games is much better at the time being). So, the 360 was returned and I've got a PS3 in its place. So far, so good.

 

[Oyeve]

Im on my second 360, first one RRODed on me, second one works much better but I do get the occasional "cant read disc" crap. It is very annoying as MS's 3yr warranty only covers the RROD. but I live with it. Still the best console out there bar none.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: warcrow
How on Earth would you know this as fact?! How can you possible think stating something like that would convince us all? Do you really think that people posting about defunct 360s are "usually" lying like you stated? Think about what you're saying here. It makes no sense.

That is a pretty laughable claim. Most of us are regulars here, and we know what systems each other has. I highly doubt there are PS3 users who are willing to put the effort into discussing Xbox 360 exclusive games as a cover for their nefarious scheme to destroy the Xbox 360's reputation by claiming failures that didn't happen.

If anyone doubts that I own a 360 I could post a picture of my game collection as well as my dead and live 360s right next to each other. 😛

Oh wait, here's my dead one: http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/mugs/office_setup.jpg

Poor 360, I hardly knew ye. 🙁 None of the vents are obstructed, it has adequate breathing room.

 

[warcrow]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: warcrow
How on Earth would you know this as fact?! How can you possible think stating something like that would convince us all? Do you really think that people posting about defunct 360s are "usually" lying like you stated? Think about what you're saying here. It makes no sense.

That is a pretty laughable claim. Most of us are regulars here, and we know what systems each other has. I highly doubt there are PS3 users who are willing to put the effort into discussing Xbox 360 exclusive games as a cover for their nefarious scheme to destroy the Xbox 360's reputation by claiming failures that didn't happen.

If anyone doubts that I own a 360 I could post a picture of my game collection as well as my dead and live 360s right next to each other. 😛

Oh wait, here's my dead one: http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/mugs/office_setup.jpg

Poor 360, I hardly knew ye. 🙁 None of the vents are obstructed, it has adequate breathing room.

What're we drinking? 🙂