Well there you have it: Assault weapons ban

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Butterbean

The Obama Marxists

Obama is an Islamofascist, too, remember.

Only Marxists could make this stuff up. Of course the gangs in the US will be let alone with their weapons and probably given gov jobs. We have psychos running the country .

Oh, the irony of you calling anyone psycho. Your brain is squirming like a toad (a la Doors).

 

[Mardeth]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Mardeth
Americans...

Thats all I can say...

... if a remember from a couple years ago when we were talking about winter war ...Finland..right.... Dont you have guns there?

I think so. Least 20 years ago you did when I was there.

I believe we have 3rd most guns per capita in the world. Right after US and Yemen (of all places). Thing is, Ive never seen a gun or heard a gun shot out side of my time in the army. Or feel that I would need one.

After 2 school shootings theyre making gun control more strict now.


My comment was more about the sillyness of the way you discuss issues like gun control. Shouting words like "liberty", "2nd amendment", "constitution" and quoting people that died 200 years ago instead of looking at cons and pros of things and whats relevant NOW. Things change. You need to be more pragmatic and except that althought the constitution is ideally the best option, and would work if everybody would be like you, that it doesnt work for society as a whole.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Modelworks
They have already been making it hard with the ammo registration requirements, a covert form of gun control.
This is the next step.
Next under attack will be concealed carry permits.

Bolded for bullshit.

Right and all the Obama fanatics during the campaign told us the gun issue was dead. Not even a month into his term and he is looking to reimplement one of the most futile pieces of gun legislation known to man. Sorry if we dont take your already proven wrong opinion seriously.

Who was that? Certainly not Obama himself. Anyone who has been paying attention knows he has always supported the assault weapons ban. Sorry, it must really stink to be wrong constantly.

PS In order for me to be proven wrong already :roll: ... there would already be a handgun ban in effect. Since there isn't, people like you are just, as per usual, being blinded by hatred and FEAR.

Many on this msgboard said with the Supreme Court decision gun bans and restricting of rights is off the table for the near future. Obviously that was a bunch of bullshit.

 

[Genx87]

I wanted to add this is some of the dumbest reasoning I have heard in awhile. Because there is violence in Mexico we will curtail the rights of Americans within our borders. I hope this blows up in this adminsitrations face.

 

[Triumph]

Look at this bullshit

"As President Obama indicated during the campaign, there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons," Holder told reporters.

Give me a fucking break. "I swear, we just want to tweak it a little bit this time, and this will be the laaaast piece of gun legislation ever!" Isn't that pretty much what they told the Jews? "Really, we just want you to wear these arm bands."
"Just move into this ghetto, we want you all to be able to live together."
"Just get into this train, we're going to take you to a wonderful magical new home!"
"Just go into these showers, we're going to give you a bath so you can be clean!"
"Just clean up those bodies, and be happy you haven't been gassed yet."

Eric Holder is an absolute piece of shit who is a disgrace to his office, and to the American constitution.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Mardeth

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Mardeth
Americans...

Thats all I can say...

... if a remember from a couple years ago when we were talking about winter war ...Finland..right.... Dont you have guns there?

I think so. Least 20 years ago you did when I was there.

I believe we have 3rd most guns per capita in the world. Right after US and Yemen (of all places). Thing is, Ive never seen a gun or heard a gun shot out side of my time in the army. Or feel that I would need one.

After 2 school shootings theyre making gun control more strict now.


My comment was more about the sillyness of the way you discuss issues like gun control. Shouting words like "liberty", "2nd amendment", "constitution" and quoting people that died 200 years ago instead of looking at cons and pros of things and whats relevant NOW. Things change. You need to be more pragmatic and except that althought the constitution is ideally the best option, and would work if everybody would be like you, that it doesnt work for society as a whole.

Wrong. The Constitution works - period. Just because we have some pantie waist libs running around scared of "scary looking guns" doesn't mean that we need to give up the rights granted by the supreme law of the land. You see, here in America - we had a little thing called a revolution. The people didn't like the heavy handed gov't and they specifically wanted the people to have the power thus wrote the Constitution and bill of rights. So now again tell us why we shouldn't use the words "liberty", "2nd amendment", "Constitution", and all the dead guy quotes?

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
We can still have guns that'll blow the shit out of people, what's the problem? If I wanted to shoot my neighbor in the head and blow his brains out I can still get a gun that's capable of that legally and if it will do that to my neighbor it should be adequate enough to do that to a home invader.

Because nothing is ever, ever good enough for the left. While a slippery slope is not always gauranteed, with many issues the left takes up, it's a certainty that they will not stop. There are some on the left, some on this forum who would be willingly accomplises, to banning all guns out of the hands of citizens. Your kook fringe doesn't just want to ban assault rifles, they want to get rid of the 2nd ammendment.

So any patriotic American with any kind of love for the freedom Americans have enjoyed their whole lives need to stand up to Obama and tell him to shove his BS arguments and non-stop straw men somewhere that he constantly uses. He's working for the special interest groups on the left here nothing more and the end result as usual will be citizens more dependant and enslaved to the federal government. That's Anti-American to the nth degree.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
We can still have guns that'll blow the shit out of people, what's the problem? If I wanted to shoot my neighbor in the head and blow his brains out I can still get a gun that's capable of that legally and if it will do that to my neighbor it should be adequate enough to do that to a home invader.

Because nothing is ever, ever good enough for the left. While a slippery slope is not always gauranteed, with many issues the left takes up, it's a certainty that they will not stop. There are some on the left, some on this forum who would be willingly accomplises, to banning all guns out of the hands of citizens. Your kook fringe doesn't just want to ban assault rifles, they want to get rid of the 2nd ammendment.

So any patriotic American with any kind of love for the freedom Americans have enjoyed their whole lives need to stand up to Obama and tell him to shove his BS arguments and non-stop straw men somewhere that he constantly uses. He's working for the special interest groups on the left here nothing more and the end result as usual will be citizens more dependant and enslaved to the federal government. That's Anti-American to the nth degree.

So it should be legal for American's to possess Rocket Launchers, Stinger Missiles, Abrahms Tanks and fully functional F16's with the whole array of armament that available for it?

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
We can still have guns that'll blow the shit out of people, what's the problem? If I wanted to shoot my neighbor in the head and blow his brains out I can still get a gun that's capable of that legally and if it will do that to my neighbor it should be adequate enough to do that to a home invader.

Can you provide any statistics that show that since the so called assault weapons ban expired in 2004 there has been an increase in these weapons being used for illegal purposes in any greater number than they were while the law was in effect? If not then what is the point of enacting new legislation other than as an ideological move to limit 2nd amendment rights?

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
We can still have guns that'll blow the shit out of people, what's the problem? If I wanted to shoot my neighbor in the head and blow his brains out I can still get a gun that's capable of that legally and if it will do that to my neighbor it should be adequate enough to do that to a home invader.

Because nothing is ever, ever good enough for the left. While a slippery slope is not always gauranteed, with many issues the left takes up, it's a certainty that they will not stop. There are some on the left, some on this forum who would be willingly accomplises, to banning all guns out of the hands of citizens. Your kook fringe doesn't just want to ban assault rifles, they want to get rid of the 2nd ammendment.

So any patriotic American with any kind of love for the freedom Americans have enjoyed their whole lives need to stand up to Obama and tell him to shove his BS arguments and non-stop straw men somewhere that he constantly uses. He's working for the special interest groups on the left here nothing more and the end result as usual will be citizens more dependant and enslaved to the federal government. That's Anti-American to the nth degree.

So it should be legal for American's to possess Rocket Launchers, Stinger Missiles, Abrahms Tanks and fully functional F16's with the whole array of armament that available for it?

That's not what I said. Explosives are an entirely different matter and the laws we have surrounding them are perfectly fine today. We're talking about assault rifles and the "few changes" Obama is planning to make and the "few changes" after that and the "few changes" after that by another leftist president, until working for the authoritarian government is the only sense of security an American can possibly have.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
We can still have guns that'll blow the shit out of people, what's the problem? If I wanted to shoot my neighbor in the head and blow his brains out I can still get a gun that's capable of that legally and if it will do that to my neighbor it should be adequate enough to do that to a home invader.

Because nothing is ever, ever good enough for the left. While a slippery slope is not always gauranteed, with many issues the left takes up, it's a certainty that they will not stop. There are some on the left, some on this forum who would be willingly accomplises, to banning all guns out of the hands of citizens. Your kook fringe doesn't just want to ban assault rifles, they want to get rid of the 2nd ammendment.

So any patriotic American with any kind of love for the freedom Americans have enjoyed their whole lives need to stand up to Obama and tell him to shove his BS arguments and non-stop straw men somewhere that he constantly uses. He's working for the special interest groups on the left here nothing more and the end result as usual will be citizens more dependant and enslaved to the federal government. That's Anti-American to the nth degree.

So it should be legal for American's to possess Rocket Launchers, Stinger Missiles, Abrahms Tanks and fully functional F16's with the whole array of armament that available for it?

It's already legal. How often do you hear of incidents happening?

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: ericlp
yeah and lets hope your brother goes to jail for possession of illegal weapons when they pass the ban. Tell me again why you need cop killer bullets and assault rifles? Oh yeah probably because your a religious freak that belongs to a terrorist organization? Yeah...yeah... that's right...

Oh I don't care about the ammo part, although if you really wanted you can just X all your rounds for the same effect.

My brother works on tactical weapons platforms for a Gov't subcontractor... he builds equipment for Marines that defend your sorry ass across the world.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Everyone laughed at me, called me a "gun nut" when I made post warning you guys months ago to get em now....

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...269383&highlight_key=y

BTW I have 10 ar15 Lowers $800 ea...LMK

My ammo is better than GOLD I think. No sale ATM.

I'm actually getting the same from my brother, $150 bare

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Awesome.

Obama is hitting on all cylinders here.

Democrats elected him into office by a huge margin, and he's taking care of the Democratic agenda point-by-point.

It's going to be a great 8 years.

Disagree. This is not an issue that's good for the party to remain in control.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Originally posted by: Mardeth

My comment was more about the sillyness of the way you discuss issues like gun control. Shouting words like "liberty", "2nd amendment", "constitution" and quoting people that died 200 years ago instead of looking at cons and pros of things and whats relevant NOW. Things change. You need to be more pragmatic and except that althought the constitution is ideally the best option, and would work if everybody would be like you, that it doesnt work for society as a whole.

You say that because you don't know what it means to be an American. That is understandable, seeing as how you are not an American. So I'll explain something important that I think many non-Americans often miss in these conversations.

Liberty is all important to most Americans. It is the central concept around which our government is formed. The basic premise of America is that if you give people liberty they will thrive, and that the only valid job of government is to protect those liberties.

We might have accepted that there are many other jobs that government needs to do, but every school kid is taught that it all starts from the idea that all men have the unalienable Rights of Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, and that it is to secure these rights that governments are instituted amongst men, and moreover that it is not just our right, but duty to for each of us to safe guard those Rights against the very governments that we institute.

We talk about the 2nd amendment because it is a part of the Bill of Rights, which is a special set of provisions set down as safeguards to prevent our government from becoming a tyranny. We were all taught to guard these rights especially because the erosion of them is the first steps in stripping us of those aforementioned unalienable Rights.

We talk about 200 year old men because their vision created this country. They warned us that the nature of government is to take away those rights. They warned us that if we should fail at the task of guarding our rights that only bloody revolution will win them back.

It is for these reasons that you hear so many 'rabid' sounding arguments about 200 year old men and amendments. We are not rabid, we are upholding a trust given to us.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
We can still have guns that'll blow the shit out of people, what's the problem? If I wanted to shoot my neighbor in the head and blow his brains out I can still get a gun that's capable of that legally and if it will do that to my neighbor it should be adequate enough to do that to a home invader.

Because nothing is ever, ever good enough for the left. While a slippery slope is not always gauranteed, with many issues the left takes up, it's a certainty that they will not stop. There are some on the left, some on this forum who would be willingly accomplises, to banning all guns out of the hands of citizens. Your kook fringe doesn't just want to ban assault rifles, they want to get rid of the 2nd ammendment.

So any patriotic American with any kind of love for the freedom Americans have enjoyed their whole lives need to stand up to Obama and tell him to shove his BS arguments and non-stop straw men somewhere that he constantly uses. He's working for the special interest groups on the left here nothing more and the end result as usual will be citizens more dependant and enslaved to the federal government. That's Anti-American to the nth degree.

So it should be legal for American's to possess Rocket Launchers, Stinger Missiles, Abrahms Tanks and fully functional F16's with the whole array of armament that available for it?

I dont know about rocket launchers and stinger missiles. But people already own tanks and fighter jets.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Genx87
I dont know about rocket launchers and stinger missiles. But people already own tanks and fighter jets.

and yet it's our government that's doing all the killing with tanks and fighter jets, not the average owner. Go figure.

 

[ayabe]

If you're worried about someone breaking into your house wearing body armor you're either a paranoid anti-gubment retard or you have dealings with organized crime.

Common criminals don't generally wear body armor geniuses, unless your house is a bank, it's not going to be targeted by someone like that.

Otherwise shoot for the head, you're all great marksmen, right?

 

[Possessed Freak]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
We can still have guns that'll blow the shit out of people, what's the problem? If I wanted to shoot my neighbor in the head and blow his brains out I can still get a gun that's capable of that legally and if it will do that to my neighbor it should be adequate enough to do that to a home invader.

Because nothing is ever, ever good enough for the left. While a slippery slope is not always gauranteed, with many issues the left takes up, it's a certainty that they will not stop. There are some on the left, some on this forum who would be willingly accomplises, to banning all guns out of the hands of citizens. Your kook fringe doesn't just want to ban assault rifles, they want to get rid of the 2nd ammendment.

So any patriotic American with any kind of love for the freedom Americans have enjoyed their whole lives need to stand up to Obama and tell him to shove his BS arguments and non-stop straw men somewhere that he constantly uses. He's working for the special interest groups on the left here nothing more and the end result as usual will be citizens more dependant and enslaved to the federal government. That's Anti-American to the nth degree.

So it should be legal for American's to possess Rocket Launchers, Stinger Missiles, Abrahms Tanks and fully functional F16's with the whole array of armament that available for it?

Slippery Slope works both ways. It is still legal to own firearms that blow people apart for now... but soon handguns will be outlawed, then slingshots, then rubber bands, then they will take away our swords, knives, clubs, rocks, furniture, and anything else those wackos want to remove in order to promote safety.

Now that we have both sides of the slippery slope bullshit out of the way can we continue with an actual intelligent debate... well as much of one as we can get on P&N... bring on the Ad Hominem attacks and Strawmen arguments!

 

[Pliablemoose]

WTF, do democrats never learn?

This shit's gonna backfire come mid terms.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: ericlp
yeah and lets hope your brother goes to jail for possession of illegal weapons when they pass the ban. Tell me again why you need cop killer bullets and assault rifles? Oh yeah probably because your a religious freak that belongs to a terrorist organization? Yeah...yeah... that's right...

First off, it is you're, not your. When trying to insult someone, at least have better grammar than a 3rd grader.

Secondly, who said anything about "cop killer" bullets? halik sure did not. Some people enjoy shooting weapons. I am such a person. Target shooting is fun, and safe if a few rules are followed. A man not knowing how to operate or shoot a weapon is sad to me.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
We can still have guns that'll blow the shit out of people, what's the problem? If I wanted to shoot my neighbor in the head and blow his brains out I can still get a gun that's capable of that legally and if it will do that to my neighbor it should be adequate enough to do that to a home invader.

Because nothing is ever, ever good enough for the left. While a slippery slope is not always gauranteed, with many issues the left takes up, it's a certainty that they will not stop. There are some on the left, some on this forum who would be willingly accomplises, to banning all guns out of the hands of citizens. Your kook fringe doesn't just want to ban assault rifles, they want to get rid of the 2nd ammendment.

So any patriotic American with any kind of love for the freedom Americans have enjoyed their whole lives need to stand up to Obama and tell him to shove his BS arguments and non-stop straw men somewhere that he constantly uses. He's working for the special interest groups on the left here nothing more and the end result as usual will be citizens more dependant and enslaved to the federal government. That's Anti-American to the nth degree.

So it should be legal for American's to possess Rocket Launchers, Stinger Missiles, Abrahms Tanks and fully functional F16's with the whole array of armament that available for it?

It's already legal. How often do you hear of incidents happening?

True, I've never heard of a Rocket Launcher being used on a School Yard. Can't say the same about an Assault Rifle.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
We can still have guns that'll blow the shit out of people, what's the problem? If I wanted to shoot my neighbor in the head and blow his brains out I can still get a gun that's capable of that legally and if it will do that to my neighbor it should be adequate enough to do that to a home invader.

Because nothing is ever, ever good enough for the left. While a slippery slope is not always gauranteed, with many issues the left takes up, it's a certainty that they will not stop. There are some on the left, some on this forum who would be willingly accomplises, to banning all guns out of the hands of citizens. Your kook fringe doesn't just want to ban assault rifles, they want to get rid of the 2nd ammendment.

So any patriotic American with any kind of love for the freedom Americans have enjoyed their whole lives need to stand up to Obama and tell him to shove his BS arguments and non-stop straw men somewhere that he constantly uses. He's working for the special interest groups on the left here nothing more and the end result as usual will be citizens more dependant and enslaved to the federal government. That's Anti-American to the nth degree.

Like the Habeas Corpus right you republicans took away on November 13th 2001?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: ericlp
yeah and lets hope your brother goes to jail for possession of illegal weapons when they pass the ban. Tell me again why you need cop killer bullets and assault rifles? Oh yeah probably because your a religious freak that belongs to a terrorist organization? Yeah...yeah... that's right...

Read your Constitution, congress can't make expo facto laws. Same reason they wont do anything to his brother is reason we can have a Full-auto M16 made prior to 1986.

Besides that you are woefully ignorant about this issue.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
We can still have guns that'll blow the shit out of people, what's the problem? If I wanted to shoot my neighbor in the head and blow his brains out I can still get a gun that's capable of that legally and if it will do that to my neighbor it should be adequate enough to do that to a home invader.

Because nothing is ever, ever good enough for the left. While a slippery slope is not always gauranteed, with many issues the left takes up, it's a certainty that they will not stop. There are some on the left, some on this forum who would be willingly accomplises, to banning all guns out of the hands of citizens. Your kook fringe doesn't just want to ban assault rifles, they want to get rid of the 2nd ammendment.

So any patriotic American with any kind of love for the freedom Americans have enjoyed their whole lives need to stand up to Obama and tell him to shove his BS arguments and non-stop straw men somewhere that he constantly uses. He's working for the special interest groups on the left here nothing more and the end result as usual will be citizens more dependant and enslaved to the federal government. That's Anti-American to the nth degree.

So it should be legal for American's to possess Rocket Launchers, Stinger Missiles, Abrahms Tanks and fully functional F16's with the whole array of armament that available for it?

It's already legal. How often do you hear of incidents happening?

True, I've never heard of a Rocket Launcher being used on a School Yard. Can't say the same about an Assault Rifle.

In how many of those incidents were the "assault weapons" legally owned by the shooter?