I've heard some stories from one of the guys I work with who spent an extended period of time at one of our manufacturing sites. He had a union grievance filed on him for moving a rolling office chair across the hall because it was in his way. To be fair, management made these guys lives miserable and they would try to get back at them anyway they could. When I moved offices, my manager told me I wasn't allowed to move anything, but if I did it was best to do it before 7AM or after 4PM wink, wink.
moshquerade
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I realize it is probably worded somehow in their contract that only they are to move anything. I don't have to read it. It's a good assumption for anyone reading this thread to conclude.
My point was it's stupid whether it's within their "put this in or we'll go on strike" rights or not. This is what gives unions a bad name. Stupid ass grievances over stupid ass things. I am sure contained within the same contract is the "don't look at me funny or I'll file a complaint against you" clause.
I'm all for unions that protect worker's rights. It's the unions that have gone overboard with nitpicky shit that bug me.
NL5
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I really didn't want to help derail this thread, but again, you are displaying a total lack of understanding how a union and union contract work. They are not "going on strike" - I am sure there is a clause in the contact that forbids them from going on strike. I'm sure you knew that though, right? The purpose of a grievance is to complain to the company about contractual violations. They are made to the company. That is it. I suppose in a non union shop there are no complaints filed ever, right? No petty bullshit complaints filed ever, right? Everything is perfectly harmonious without a union, right? Everyone is perfectly happy all the time............ Oh wait, I guess it really is not that different after all, just a different system of accomplishing the same thing. I personally don't prefer to work in a union shop, but both systems have their pluses and minuses for sure.
moshquerade
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"I am sure there is a clause in the contact that forbids them from going on strike"
Sarcasm, right?
And whatever with the rest. I understand what's going on. I'm closely connected to someone who has to deal with the union mentality every single day.
NL5
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Originally posted by: moshquerade
"I am sure there is a clause in the contact that forbids them from going on strike"
Sarcasm, right?
And whatever with the rest. I understand what's going on. I'm closely connected to someone who has to deal with the union mentality every single day.
Nope, no sarcasm.
Again, you are proving you have almost no grasp on the entire union/union contract concept.
Sorry, but you fail at Unions 101.
ViviTheMage
Lifer
oogabooga
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Well
First Period
Meltdown +1 for calling the 'union bashing'
Mosh +1 for saying it's a situation that warrants it.
NL5 +1 for pointing out we don't know the specifics and while he isn't a fan he hates how people bash on them constantly +1
Mosh +1 for point out that *this situation* (a key play in tonights spar) warrants it. How can people not help themselves and possibly be punished? This is why unions get bashed +1
Score through the first period
Meltdown 1
Mosh 3
NL5 2
We turn to our studios for indepth analysis for the first period
Analyst 1 - Well, meltdown started strong but has disappointed since. We liked his performance early on but where has he been.
Analyst 2- Indeed, he hasn't shown up, but you know who has MOSH.
Analyst 1- Oh I agree, but NL5 only had one line in there, I expect more in the second half
Charles Barclay - I don't like Golden State. I've been there, and it smells. Dallas has this
Analyst 1 - .... back to you
Second Period
NL5 - So you have read the contract, or do we still not know the details +2. How could a legal contract b/w two parties have no bearing +1. Pointing out again 'people' bash, not singling out mosh. And appologizes (classy, +1)
Mosh - Contract speculation (that lets face, is probably right +1), mentions the strike bomb +1, stupid ass grievances over stupid ass things +1. All for unions that protect peoples rights but not going overboard +1
Nl5 - Doesn't want to derail thread (-1) but calling out an apparent lack of understanding +1, goes on about unions.. +1, calls out that non union people 'never complain' right? +1
Score through the first period
Meltdown 1
Mosh 7
NL5 8
Analyst 1- Mosh put up an amazing second, but this was NL5's show
Analyst 2- He showed up and he threw down. He lost a point for not wanting to derail the thread, afterall, this is atot and this is what we do. He knows the rules
Analyst 1- I'd love to see the third.
Third period
Mosh - More stuff about unions and strikes, use of smiley face +1, and mentions personal connection +1
Nl5 - Sticks to the message +1, no sarcasm? -1, use of blue emoticon +1
Mosh 9, NL5 10.
It's a close one folks, stay tuned for the fourth.
[yea, I really don't have enough to do tonight at work
]
meltdown75
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lmao
yo Clappy, what are the odds of seeing PICS of this chicky?
be our covert ops ghey dude on the inside with ninja pics
yo Clappy, what are the odds of seeing PICS of this chicky?
be our covert ops ghey dude on the inside with ninja pics
Originally posted by: oogabooga
It's a close one folks, stay tuned for the fourth.
[yea, I really don't have enough to do tonight at work
The score should be 9-9, double check your math.
NL5
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Originally posted by: oogabooga
Well
First Period
Meltdown +1 for calling the 'union bashing'
Mosh +1 for saying it's a situation that warrants it.
NL5 +1 for pointing out we don't know the specifics and while he isn't a fan he hates how people bash on them constantly +1
Mosh +1 for point out that *this situation* (a key play in tonights spar) warrants it. How can people not help themselves and possibly be punished? This is why unions get bashed +1
Score through the first period
Meltdown 1
Mosh 3
NL5 2
We turn to our studios for indepth analysis for the first period
Analyst 1 - Well, meltdown started strong but has disappointed since. We liked his performance early on but where has he been.
Analyst 2- Indeed, he hasn't shown up, but you know who has MOSH.
Analyst 1- Oh I agree, but NL5 only had one line in there, I expect more in the second half
Charles Barclay - I don't like Golden State. I've been there, and it smells. Dallas has this
Analyst 1 - .... back to you
Second Period
NL5 - So you have read the contract, or do we still not know the details +2. How could a legal contract b/w two parties have no bearing +1. Pointing out again 'people' bash, not singling out mosh. And appologizes (classy, +1)
Mosh - Contract speculation (that lets face, is probably right +1), mentions the strike bomb +1, stupid ass grievances over stupid ass things +1. All for unions that protect peoples rights but not going overboard +1
Nl5 - Doesn't want to derail thread (-1) but calling out an apparent lack of understanding +1, goes on about unions.. +1, calls out that non union people 'never complain' right? +1
Score through the first period
Meltdown 1
Mosh 7
NL5 8
Analyst 1- Mosh put up an amazing second, but this was NL5's show
Analyst 2- He showed up and he threw down. He lost a point for not wanting to derail the thread, afterall, this is atot and this is what we do. He knows the rules
Analyst 1- I'd love to see the third.
Third period
Mosh - More stuff about unions and strikes, use of smiley face +1, and mentions personal connection +1
Nl5 - Sticks to the message +1, no sarcasm? -1, use of blue emoticon +1
Mosh 9, NL5 10.
It's a close one folks, stay tuned for the fourth.
[yea, I really don't have enough to do tonight at work
I can't believe you took the time to do that, but that was effin hilarious! +1million for you!
moshquerade
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Originally posted by: oogabooga
Well
First Period
Meltdown +1 for calling the 'union bashing'
Mosh +1 for saying it's a situation that warrants it.
NL5 +1 for pointing out we don't know the specifics and while he isn't a fan he hates how people bash on them constantly +1
Mosh +1 for point out that *this situation* (a key play in tonights spar) warrants it. How can people not help themselves and possibly be punished? This is why unions get bashed +1
Score through the first period
Meltdown 1
Mosh 3
NL5 2
We turn to our studios for indepth analysis for the first period
Analyst 1 - Well, meltdown started strong but has disappointed since. We liked his performance early on but where has he been.
Analyst 2- Indeed, he hasn't shown up, but you know who has MOSH.
Analyst 1- Oh I agree, but NL5 only had one line in there, I expect more in the second half
Charles Barclay - I don't like Golden State. I've been there, and it smells. Dallas has this
Analyst 1 - .... back to you
Second Period
NL5 - So you have read the contract, or do we still not know the details +2. How could a legal contract b/w two parties have no bearing +1. Pointing out again 'people' bash, not singling out mosh. And appologizes (classy, +1)
Mosh - Contract speculation (that lets face, is probably right +1), mentions the strike bomb +1, stupid ass grievances over stupid ass things +1. All for unions that protect peoples rights but not going overboard +1
Nl5 - Doesn't want to derail thread (-1) but calling out an apparent lack of understanding +1, goes on about unions.. +1, calls out that non union people 'never complain' right? +1
Score through the first period
Meltdown 1
Mosh 7
NL5 8
Analyst 1- Mosh put up an amazing second, but this was NL5's show
Analyst 2- He showed up and he threw down. He lost a point for not wanting to derail the thread, afterall, this is atot and this is what we do. He knows the rules
Analyst 1- I'd love to see the third.
Third period
Mosh - More stuff about unions and strikes, use of smiley face +1, and mentions personal connection +1
Nl5 - Sticks to the message +1, no sarcasm? -1, use of blue emoticon +1
Mosh 9, NL5 10.
It's a close one folks, stay tuned for the fourth.
[yea, I really don't have enough to do tonight at work
hilarious! :laugh: you win this thread :trophy;
just buy a box of chocolates and tell her to stuff her mouth as much as she wants. that'll keep her quiet
NL5
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A couple quick union notes for those that are unaware of just what a union contract stipulates (this applies to 99.9% of all union contracts) -
1. Both parties agree to the contract and it's rules. Most people act like the union makes the rules. This is 100% untrue. BOTH parties agree to ALL the rules. Period.
2. The first stipulation of every contract is that the "company" has discretion to basically do whatever they want, save for the few rules outlined in the contract.
3. The second stipulation is generally a "no strike, no walkout, etc" clause. I know many of you find this shocking, but a union under contract CANNOT go on strike. They strike when a contract has expired. This is certainly their right, just as much as the company has a right to not re-hire union labor, which brings us to point 4.
4. Companies are not required to use union labor. Their are benefits to Union labor, believe it or not. Also note, that when US manufacturing was at the pinnacle in the 50's, 60's and early 70's, and we had booming auto sales, steel, etc who was doing all that labor? Unions. And they had much more power then than they do now. Reagen stripped away much of the power they did have. So, I ask, how are the weakened Unions (who generally make far less now when adjusted for inflation, than they did in their heyday), become the poster child for what's wrong with American Manufacturing?
5. Zycoplasm said she moved something electrical. If this is the case, and he didn't mean electronic, it was probably an OSHA requirement that a licensed union person move it - but I suppose OSHA has ruined America as well huh?
1. Both parties agree to the contract and it's rules. Most people act like the union makes the rules. This is 100% untrue. BOTH parties agree to ALL the rules. Period.
2. The first stipulation of every contract is that the "company" has discretion to basically do whatever they want, save for the few rules outlined in the contract.
3. The second stipulation is generally a "no strike, no walkout, etc" clause. I know many of you find this shocking, but a union under contract CANNOT go on strike. They strike when a contract has expired. This is certainly their right, just as much as the company has a right to not re-hire union labor, which brings us to point 4.
4. Companies are not required to use union labor. Their are benefits to Union labor, believe it or not. Also note, that when US manufacturing was at the pinnacle in the 50's, 60's and early 70's, and we had booming auto sales, steel, etc who was doing all that labor? Unions. And they had much more power then than they do now. Reagen stripped away much of the power they did have. So, I ask, how are the weakened Unions (who generally make far less now when adjusted for inflation, than they did in their heyday), become the poster child for what's wrong with American Manufacturing?
5. Zycoplasm said she moved something electrical. If this is the case, and he didn't mean electronic, it was probably an OSHA requirement that a licensed union person move it - but I suppose OSHA has ruined America as well huh?
SunnyD
Belgian Waffler
#1 - You can work at a "unionized" company, opt not to be in the union, and yet still have to pay union dues. WTF? :roll:
#2 - She's (by description) fairly hot... so why not let her move stuff? Especially if there's bending over, high hemlines and low-cut blouses involved?
#3 - Props to Reagan for supposedly castrating unions (they still make too much anyway).
#4 - If I went on strike, I'd be fired. Must be nice to get loads of money for doing nothing!
#5 - Still want actual :camera:'s particularly in poses described by #2.
#6 - Go Mosh! WE LOVE YOU!!!
#2 - She's (by description) fairly hot... so why not let her move stuff? Especially if there's bending over, high hemlines and low-cut blouses involved?
#3 - Props to Reagan for supposedly castrating unions (they still make too much anyway).
#4 - If I went on strike, I'd be fired. Must be nice to get loads of money for doing nothing!
#5 - Still want actual :camera:'s particularly in poses described by #2.
#6 - Go Mosh! WE LOVE YOU!!!
moshquerade
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moshquerade
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Oh c'mon.... now you've really lost us.
#4 - when they go on strike they make nothing.
i thought you knew everything about unions. they get strike pay. that's a fact. granted, it's not as much as their regular paycheck, but it's something.
zinfamous
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Originally posted by: oogabooga
Well
...snippy...
It's a close one folks, stay tuned for the fourth.
[yea, I really don't have enough to do tonight at work
Post of the year. I haven't actually lol'd in a while.
It's Barkley, btw....and I love how accurately you portray his analysis skills
:thumbsup:
hanoverphist
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made me giggle... i kept thinking if he meant his toe or someone elses tho. id give up 40 or 50 toes to have hotties work here... just not my own.
NL5
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First off, not all unions pay strike benefits. Second off that is money the members paid into an account - much like a savings account - to use in case of strike. They do not get PAID a dime. If I take money out of my savings account does that count as "getting paid"?
Again, you fail to understand even the most rudimentary facts about unions.
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