Well Crud: IE10M Will Come With Flash

[JackMDS]

http://www.withinwindows.com/2012/0...ernet-explorer-10-will-ship-with-adobe-flash/

http://www.geek.com/articles/news/i...ill-feature-integrated-flash-player-20120524/


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[dagamer34]

There should be plenty of other ways to get desktop applications out there. If anything, it will force more open source IDEs into the mainstream. I'm assuming even WinARM will support Java, so Java development is still an option.

Still. Seeing the direction Microsoft is taking has me a little nervous. In their attempts to please everyone, they're going to irritate everyone, but mostly the developers who would normally do a lot of outside work to improve windows.

Nope. No Java support. The only languages supported on WinRT (Windows on ARM) are as follows: C++, C#, and HTML5/Javascript. No Java.

 

[Nothinman]

I had not seen that before, so thanks for pointing that out.:|

But has anyone told you that you're a total downer, Nothinman?😛

Don't shoot the messenger and just move onto environments that don't try to screw their users over.

 

[dagamer34]

I had not seen that before, so thanks for pointing that out.:|

But has anyone told you that you're a total downer, Nothinman?😛

Counterpoint: http://www.withinwindows.com/2012/0...-development-is-not-really-dead-on-windows-8/

 

[Nothinman]

Counterpoint: http://www.withinwindows.com/2012/0...-development-is-not-really-dead-on-windows-8/

A) That's not really a solution. Providing a command-line compiler isn't anywhere near providing a full IDE.
B) http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/hardware/hh852363.aspx

Read the #1 removed feature of the Win8 SDK.

 

[postmortemIA]

Nope. No Java support. The only languages supported on WinRT (Windows on ARM) are as follows: C++, C#, and HTML5/Javascript. No Java.

Java can be ported to any OS. It is just a question whether Oracle wants to do it or not.

 

[lxskllr]

Java can be ported to any OS. It is just a question whether Oracle wants to do it or not.

Any language can be ported to anything, that isn't the question. MS is locking down the down hardware, and it might as well be a refrigerator for all you can do with it. Anyone who buys a Windows tablet(or an iPad as far as that goes) is a fool.

 

[dagamer34]

Any language can be ported to anything, that isn't the question. MS is locking down the down hardware, and it might as well be a refrigerator for all you can do with it. Anyone who buys a Windows tablet(or an iPad as far as that goes) is a fool.

That's a pretty strong statement. When you consider the broader (and much larger) market, they just want an experience that works and will take whatever terms are given to them. Why else do you think they put up with the cable boxes given to them from cable companies which I am convinced are the spawn of the devil?

The average consumer doesn't care to tinker with their tablet, they just don't want it to crash or last for 3 hours. And as power users, that sucks, but there aren't enough of us to decide what the market wants.

 

[lxskllr]

That's a pretty strong statement. When you consider the broader (and much larger) market, they just want an experience that works and will take whatever terms are given to them. Why else do you think they put up with the cable boxes given to them from cable companies which I am convinced are the spawn of the devil?

The average consumer doesn't care to tinker with their tablet, they just don't want it to crash or last for 3 hours. And as power users, that sucks, but there aren't enough of us to decide what the market wants.

That might be strong, but accurate imo. You can find threads all over the place where people are complaining about their devices. That they won't play some media format, or they can't install a program they'd like to use. They don't associate the problems they're having with the nature of the device, and the terms they bought it under. If they gave it any thought, they'd realize they got exactly what they purchased.

Users don't have to be hackers to take advantage of an open system. The hackers will play around with it, and then it'll be made easy for the people who aren't as skilled.

 

[CSMR]

Paul Thurrott has posted that IE10 Metro will come with Flash built in, in spite of Microsoft's previously stated goal that IE10M would not offer any kind of plugin functionality. So now we have Flash whether we want it or not. Great...

This is ok. The main problem with flash for me is the quality of the software, with very obtrusive updates. MS will do a better job.

This can be a step towards removing the desktop in Windows RT.

Flash is popular. It is a nasty language, but so is Javascript. Maybe now MS will preserve silverlight which allows using much better programming languages on the web.