welcome to 4th generation warfare

[norseamd]

It's too bad Islam didn't have their middle ages at the same time Christianity did. Instead of RPG's and AK's they would have just had Scimitars and composite bows and by the 21st century you would be able to entertain and isolate them like we do with NASCAR and Bass Pro Shops.

Can you explain in English with sense what this is supposed to mean at all?

 

[TheSlamma]

Can you explain in English with sense what this is supposed to mean at all?

This is from the guy who couldn't read the blog correctly about kids and HEAVY USE of devices. No matter how I explain it I don't think you will get it, but here goes the most simple version:

Islam is another primitive religion that makes people do stupid things for made up reasons and it's time for it and other religions to go away.

 

[sm625]

The notion that this is some kind of "4th generation" warfare is absurd. ISIS is no different than Al Qaeda: a western funded militant group created for the sole purpose of serving wealthy banking interests. Besides, warfare is in its 40000th generation at this point.

 

[werepossum]

A relatively small amount of Western Special Operations Forces supported by air power are enough to keep ISIS off balance and without international reach. For the most part, the region is seeing those who hate America killing others who hate America at little cost to us Americans. I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch over the humanitarian crisis, as worse things have been happening in Africa every day for the past 30 years.

It doesn't sit well with me to see American soldiers die in a fight that the Iraqi military has fled from at every turn. They deserve only what they're willing to fight for and nothing more, IMO.

Well said, sir.

It's too bad Islam didn't have their middle ages at the same time Christianity did. Instead of RPG's and AK's they would have just had Scimitars and composite bows and by the 21st century you would be able to entertain and isolate them like we do with NASCAR and Bass Pro Shops.

Maybe, but Islam is fundamentally different from Christianity in two ways. First, Christ was here as sacrifice; Muhammad was here to conquer. Jesus preached love; Muhammad preached submission.

Second, in Islam the Quran is considered to be the literal word of G-d. Where it conflicts, the official ruling is that G-d changed His mind, so the later version rules. Most (not all) Christians accept that the New Testament is not the literal word of G-d, but rather is divinely inspired but written by mortal men. Therefore the Bible requires interpretation but the Quran requires only submission and is thus much harder to change.

 

[Jaskalas]

Of course they aren't mere news stories to the people involved, I was commenting on the Americans who would commit genocide to get rid of the mere news stories.

Does one support genocide and slavery if they desire that we take no action to oppose it? If not force - then what action do you propose instead?

 

[Jaskalas]

It's too bad Islam didn't have their middle ages at the same time Christianity did. Instead of RPG's and AK's they would have just had Scimitars and composite bows and by the 21st century you would be able to entertain and isolate them like we do with NASCAR and Bass Pro Shops.

Middle ages? Surely you mean the Renaissance. IMO, that is when modern Western Civilization was born.

 

[hal2kilo]

We need to help these countries, and peoples, establish Governments that are not based in Religion, but rather in the belief that all men are created equal, or...

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

George Bush, went a long way towards this, when he assumed control of Iraq, but he lost sight of the goal, and succumbed to the pressures of the "liberals."

Nation Building is exactly what has to be done in these areas. They have a lot to offer. Including poppy seeds.

-John

Hows life on Fantasy Island?

 

[norseamd]

Middle ages? Surely you mean the Renaissance. IMO, that is when modern Western Civilization was born.

He apparently has no understanding of history nevermind logic, sense, or coherency.

 

[werepossum]

Middle ages? Surely you mean the Renaissance. IMO, that is when modern Western Civilization was born.

His point was that if Islam was as old as Christianity, then it would have worked out its collective bloodthirstiness before it could kill people at the wholesale level. Instead Islam is seven hundred years younger than Christianity, and seven hundred years ago in a Christian land you would not have wanted to be a different religion or even a Christian sect differing from the one in power.

 

[norseamd]

This is from the guy who couldn't read the blog correctly about kids and HEAVY USE of devices.

Never actually read that article. My response was based of the quote from the OP.

 

[Jaskalas]

His point was that if Islam was as old as Christianity, then it would have worked out its collective bloodthirstiness before it could kill people at the wholesale level. Instead Islam is seven hundred years younger than Christianity, and seven hundred years ago in a Christian land you would not have wanted to be a different religion or even a Christian sect differing from the one in power.

I think it'd be great if we could isolate the root cause of Europe's success in that regard. Of Democracy and Human Rights. To repeat the psychology and sociology involved would benefit many people across the world. We need to understand how it evolved in one area but not another.

 

[norseamd]

His point was that if Islam was as old as Christianity, then it would have worked out its collective bloodthirstiness before it could kill people at the wholesale level. Instead Islam is seven hundred years younger than Christianity, and seven hundred years ago in a Christian land you would not have wanted to be a different religion or even a Christian sect differing from the one in power.

Not sure that has any influence as peace and conflict come and go in rolling waves more than a gradual advance towards what some might refer to as civilized humanity.

Regardless this is also in some ways misleading as there is this exaggerated idea that religions are responsible for all of human suffering especially among Atheists when it is more like a surface influence on the deep complexities of humanity. Honestly I would say religion is probably more than that with lots of interconnections and interdependencies even on the deep level with humanity but I think the religion scapegoating is way too fucking overblown.

 

[norseamd]

I think it'd be great if we could isolate the root cause of Europe's success in that regard. Of Democracy and Human Rights. To repeat the psychology and sociology involved would benefit many people across the world. How it evolved in one area but not another.

This is a very complex topic and Liberalism or Enlightenment or related subjects are only partially responsible for the success of Europeans. The somewhat backwards Europeans learning knowledge and technology from the Muslims and the Renaissance resulting from that led to a massive increase in European exploration resulting from Islamic naval technology. This led to the discovery on the New World and new passages to India and Asia which meant not only greatly increased trade but also the full resources of 2 full fucking continents.

So the huge success of the Europeans probably has more to do with being able to conquer 2 full continents and thus a huge lead over other civilizations in territory, resources, and population.

There is a good book on this subject named Guns, Germs, and Steel that was written by Jared Diamond. More than a few on this forum will have read this well known book so you can find out more from them or buy it for yourself.

Honestly I have only got so far into this book and that is something I need to consider reading through finally. Also I have been thinking about reading The Third Chimpanzee first as it would be good material to base reading Guns, Germs, and Steel off of and thus that would give me more understanding and insights when I am reading all the shit.

 

[TheSlamma]

Middle ages? Surely you mean the Renaissance. IMO, that is when modern Western Civilization was born.

Have to have a dark ages first (which they are having right now with their primitive warmongering) before you can have a renaissance. We'll see if that religion is capable of having one.

EDIT: Nevermind, werepossum covered it already and better than I did

His point was that if Islam was as old as Christianity, then it would have worked out its collective bloodthirstiness before it could kill people at the wholesale level. Instead Islam is seven hundred years younger than Christianity, and seven hundred years ago in a Christian land you would not have wanted to be a different religion or even a Christian sect differing from the one in power.

 

[TheSlamma]

Not sure that has any influence as peace and conflict come and go in rolling waves more than a gradual advance towards what some might refer to as civilized humanity.

Regardless this is also in some ways misleading as there is this exaggerated idea that religions are responsible for all of human suffering especially among Atheists when it is more like a surface influence on the deep complexities of humanity. Honestly I would say religion is probably more than that with lots of interconnections and interdependencies even on the deep level with humanity but I think the religion scapegoating is way too fucking overblown.

I'm 100% fine with people having individual faith, it's religion that I have a problem with. Some things referenced in life/history are used a lot because the fact is they are simply true. Religion has been a vehicle for intolerance since it's inception, it's being used in the very article you posted in the OP so how you can pass it as overused is kind of confusing.

 

[norseamd]

I'm 100% fine with people having individual faith, it's religion that I have a problem with. Some things referenced in life/history are used a lot because the fact is they are simply true. Religion has been a vehicle for intolerance since it's inception, it's being used in the very article you posted in the OP so how you can pass it as overused is kind of confusing.

Not what I meant about religion at all.

What I meant is that some ignorant individuals have this idea that if religion went away everything would be peace and flowers which is obviously way off base.

 

[SSSnail]

The really disturbing thing is that there are "normal" posters here who would have no problem nuking a city of people just because the news stories frighten them
Daesh is subjugating some people.
Their solution? Nuke them all and make the horrible news stories go away

Sometimes, you have to sacrifice a part of your body to save yourself from cancer. I'm OK with it.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Does one support genocide and slavery if they desire that we take no action to oppose it? If not force - then what action do you propose instead?

America "liberated" a hundred thousand innocent Iraqis out from under Saddam's tyranny last time
I suppose if you keep on "liberating" Iraqis all your problems will be solved

 

[Orignal Earl]

Sometimes, you have to sacrifice a part of your body to save yourself from cancer. I'm OK with it.

Brain cancer survivor eh
Good for you

 

[Victorian Gray]

Brain cancer survivor eh
Good for you

You owe me a new monitor and keyboard.

 

[SSSnail]

Brain cancer survivor eh
Good for you

Not bad, not bad, took you about 20 minutes to come up with that. Bravo, bravo.