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Weird stuff going down in Germany

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Sounds like their version of Jan 6th

www.theguardian.com

Reichsbürger: the German conspiracy theorists at heart of alleged coup plot

Despite description of alleged plotters by prosecutors as a ‘motley crew’, the threat was considered very real
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com


Really weird. On second-thoughts, it sounds perhaps more like the infamous 1970s "coup" plot here, involving Lord Mountbatten (that never got further than one infamous meeting, I think).

www.theguardian.com

Key figures behind alleged far-right plot to overthrow the German government

Those detained include a 71-year-old aristocrat, a retired army officer and a former MP for far-right AfD
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
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It's good to see a country call a terrorist a terrorist and who takes their threats seriously.

In order to communicate with each other, they acquired Iridium satellite telephones valued at €20,000 that would have worked even if the electricity network had collapsed – which was, apparently, also part of the plan, in order to spread chaos.
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The part I bolded sounds very familiar.
 
Seems Qanon stuff came into it as well, plus inspiration from Jan 6th.

(the "Reichburger" thing sounds like a German equivalent of that weird "Sovereign citizen" stuff).

Can't work out how serious this "plot" was, or if it was just crackpots being crackpots.

The group was apparently driven in ideology by the deep-state conspiracy theories of QAnon and the Reichsbürger (“empire citizens”) movement, which denies the right of modern Germany to exist. It was planning to renegotiate the country’s post-second world war settlement, insisting the “Deutsche Reich” still had legitimacy despite having ended with the Nazis’ defeat in 1945.
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Investigators say they quickly established strong ideological links between the members, who included Reichsbürger, as well as members of the coronavirus denial Querdenker movement and supporters of the QAnon conspiracy theory.

The group, under the leadership of Heinrich XIII and a former commander of a paratrooper battalion, had been preparing for so-called “Day X”, on which about two dozen people were to storm the Reichstag building, home to the German parliament, and to handcuff and arrest MPs and parliamentary staff in an operation taking as its example the 2021 attack on the US Capitol.

After their takeover, the group had envisioned renegotiating the treaties Germany signed after the end of the second world war. “For now, the Russian Federation was exclusively to be the central contact for these negotiations,” prosecutors said.
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I always wonder what extremists think is going to happen with plans like this. Let's say they successfully stormed the Reichstag and captured MPs, what was the government going to do? "Right, sorry, guess it's an absolute monarchy now. We're not at all going to send in the military or police."

Then again, someone who's ignorant enough to fall for conspiracy theories like this also isn't the sort to think through the consequences of their actions. Like the January 6th attackers who genuinely thought they could overturn the election if they held Congress hostage.
 
Commodus said:
I always wonder what extremists think is going to happen with plans like this. Let's say they successfully stormed the Reichstag and captured MPs, what was the government going to do? "Right, sorry, guess it's an absolute monarchy now. We're not at all going to send in the military or police."

Then again, someone who's ignorant enough to fall for conspiracy theories like this also isn't the sort to think through the consequences of their actions. Like the January 6th attackers who genuinely thought they could overturn the election if they held Congress hostage.
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The Beer Hall Putsch failed at its intended goal.

Baby steps.
 
Commodus said:
I always wonder what extremists think is going to happen with plans like this. Let's say they successfully stormed the Reichstag and captured MPs, what was the government going to do? "Right, sorry, guess it's an absolute monarchy now. We're not at all going to send in the military or police."

Then again, someone who's ignorant enough to fall for conspiracy theories like this also isn't the sort to think through the consequences of their actions. Like the January 6th attackers who genuinely thought they could overturn the election if they held Congress hostage.
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I think they have echo chamber ideas about what the public really thinks. They expect everyone to just fall in line because "real Germans" are sick of the libtard blah blah blah.
 
Commodus said:
I always wonder what extremists think is going to happen with plans like this. Let's say they successfully stormed the Reichstag and captured MPs, what was the government going to do? "Right, sorry, guess it's an absolute monarchy now. We're not at all going to send in the military or police."

Then again, someone who's ignorant enough to fall for conspiracy theories like this also isn't the sort to think through the consequences of their actions. Like the January 6th attackers who genuinely thought they could overturn the election if they held Congress hostage.
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Extremist conspiracy theory types generally confuse recognizing that a problem exists as also having a solution for said problem. Asking them for their solution to a problem invariably triggers a response that you can't even see the problem. These are the people who say "something must be done!" without ever saying that something should be. And if they actually do 'something,' why should there be consequences? It needed to be done.
These aren't ignorant people, they're just average people who want to believe they're something special. And as such, highly suspectible to the devious machinations of ambitious con artists.
 
brandonbull said:
Maybe one day people will officially recognize BLM, antifa, and their supporters in the months long riots, violence, and attacks against government officials and entities.
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Of course you know that none of those groups rioted or attacked any government offices or people, right? All of the violence in those protests was attributed to MAGA fascists, just like yourself.

This is a matter of public record. You can actually look at the arrests and prosecutions for yourself, so that you know that these were violent rightwing Trump supporters exactly like you.

I wonder why you persist in believing things that are demonstrably untrue, especially in the face of overwhelming, easily-accessible evidence. Were you born this useless and stupid, or did it take a lifetime of careful, studied practice?
 
brandonbull said:
Maybe one day people will officially recognize BLM, antifa, and their supporters in the months long riots, violence, and attacks against government officials and entities.
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You referring to the accelerationists?
"The accelerationists, if you have never heard the term, are an extreme subset of white
nationalism whose goal is to bring about chaos and destruction. The basic tenet of
accelerationism argues that since Western governments are inherently corrupt, the best
(and only) thing supremacists can do is to accelerate the end of society by sowing chaos
and aggravating political tensions. “Accelerationist ideas have been cited in mass shooters’
manifestos — explicitly, in the case of the New Zealand killer — and are frequently
referenced in white supremacist web forums and chat rooms,” Zack Beauchamp explained"


Or are you referring to the cop killers?:
www.latimes.com

Far-right 'boogaloo boys' linked to killing of California law officers and other violence

Boogaloo members, who include ultra-libertarians and white supremacists, believe in armed insurrection and attacks on the police, experts say.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com


Or the fires in Minneapolis?
www.theguardian.com

‘Boogaloo Boi’ charged in fire of Minneapolis police precinct during George Floyd protest

Ivan Harrison Hunter, a Texas rightwing extremist, bragged about helping to set the fire then was seen shooting 13 rounds at the building
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
apnews.com

AP finds most arrested in protests aren't leftist radicals

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump portrays the hundreds of people arrested nationwide in protests against racial injustice as violent urban left-wing radicals.
apnews.com apnews.com
thehill.com

Feds say far-right group coordinated attack on Minneapolis police precinct during protest

The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Minnesota on Friday announced that the FBI brought charges against a member of the far-right “Boogaloo Bois” group for organizing and p…
thehill.com thehill.com
www.forbes.com

Feds: Far-Right ‘Boogaloo Bois’ Member Fired AK-47 At Minneapolis Police Station, Yelled ‘Justice For Floyd!’

People were inside the building at the time, prosecutors say.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com



Because I am not seeing left wing violence here. Just republicans attacking law enforcement because republicans hate police officers.
 
Leeea said:
You referring to the accelerationists?
"The accelerationists, if you have never heard the term, are an extreme subset of white
nationalism whose goal is to bring about chaos and destruction. The basic tenet of
accelerationism argues that since Western governments are inherently corrupt, the best
(and only) thing supremacists can do is to accelerate the end of society by sowing chaos
and aggravating political tensions. “Accelerationist ideas have been cited in mass shooters’
manifestos — explicitly, in the case of the New Zealand killer — and are frequently
referenced in white supremacist web forums and chat rooms,” Zack Beauchamp explained"


Or are you referring to the cop killers?:
www.latimes.com

Far-right 'boogaloo boys' linked to killing of California law officers and other violence

Boogaloo members, who include ultra-libertarians and white supremacists, believe in armed insurrection and attacks on the police, experts say.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com


Or the fires in Minneapolis?
www.theguardian.com

‘Boogaloo Boi’ charged in fire of Minneapolis police precinct during George Floyd protest

Ivan Harrison Hunter, a Texas rightwing extremist, bragged about helping to set the fire then was seen shooting 13 rounds at the building
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
apnews.com

AP finds most arrested in protests aren't leftist radicals

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump portrays the hundreds of people arrested nationwide in protests against racial injustice as violent urban left-wing radicals.
apnews.com apnews.com
thehill.com

Feds say far-right group coordinated attack on Minneapolis police precinct during protest

The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Minnesota on Friday announced that the FBI brought charges against a member of the far-right “Boogaloo Bois” group for organizing and p…
thehill.com thehill.com
www.forbes.com

Feds: Far-Right ‘Boogaloo Bois’ Member Fired AK-47 At Minneapolis Police Station, Yelled ‘Justice For Floyd!’

People were inside the building at the time, prosecutors say.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com



Because I am not seeing left wing violence here. Just republicans attacking law enforcement because republicans hate police officers.
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And don't forget....all that "Antifa Antifa Antifa terrorist group" stuff was made up by Homeland Security chief Chad Wolf to politically help out his boss, Trump.

Homeland Security Admits It Tried to Manufacture Fake Terrorists for Trump (yahoo.com)

The report describes attempts by top officials to link protesters to an imaginary terrorist plot in an apparent effort to boost Trump’s reelection odds, raising concerns now about the ability of a sitting president to co-opt billions of dollars’ worth of domestic intelligence assets for their own political gain. DHS analysts recounted orders to generate evidence of financial ties between protesters in custody; an effort that, had they not failed, would have seemingly served to legitimize President Trump’s false claims about “Antifa,” an “organization” that even his most loyal intelligence officers failed to drum up proof ever existed.

Senior Homeland Security leaders pushed unfounded antifa conspiracy at 2020 Portland protests, report states - OPB

On the same day a violent mob of Trump supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol, the Department of Homeland Security received a damning internal report about its intelligence operations targeting racial justice protesters in Portland last summer.

It outlines how senior leadership pushed unfounded conspiracies about antifascists, encouraged staff to violate constitutional rights, and made spurious connections between protesters who engaged in criminal activity.
 
Hats off to Germany.... They know their traitors when they see them, unlike over here in the good ole US of A.
Maybe its because Germany suffered through Adolf Hitler. Maybe Germany has been there... done that....

And so I guess that we here in America will just have to suffer through own version of Adolf Hitler i.e. Donald Trump, before we come up to speed and treat our Donald Trump's as Germany treats her Donald Trump's. Ya think????
 
sportage said:
Hats off to Germany.... They know their traitors when they see them, unlike over here in the good ole US of A.
Maybe its because Germany suffered through Adolf Hitler. Maybe Germany has been there... done that....

And so I guess that we here in America will just have to suffer through own version of Adolf Hitler i.e. Donald Trump, before we come up to speed and treat our Donald Trump's as Germany treats her Donald Trump's. Ya think????
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Hitler reference is over-the-top. Trump's more like Mussolini, if anything Or maybe Chancellor Dollfuss (Chancellor Doofus?)
 
Germany takes action...
www.bbc.com

Germany arrests 25 accused of plotting coup

A far-right group is suspected of planning to storm parliament and install an aristocrat as leader.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

Bolivia takes action...
theconversation.com

Prosecuting ex-presidents for corruption is trending worldwide – but it’s not always great for democracy

From Europe to Latin America and the US, former world leaders are being investigated, tried and even jailed. In theory, this shows no one is above the law. But presidents and PMs aren’t just anyone.
theconversation.com theconversation.com

Peru takes action...
www.nytimes.com

Peru’s President Tried to Dissolve Congress. By Day’s End, He Was Arrested. (Published 2022)

Ahead of an impeachment vote by Congress, Pedro Castillo tried to dissolve the government and seize power. The attempt ended with his ouster and arrest.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

Brazil takes action...
www.npr.org

Ex-Brazilian President Arrested In Sweeping Anti-Corruption Probe

Former President Michel Temer was one of several political and business leaders arrested on Thursday, accused of misappropriating funds in a construction graft scam.
www.npr.org www.npr.org

Belgium takes action...
www.lemonde.fr

Belgium makes EU parliament arrests, including a vice-president, in Qatar corruption probe

Officers arrested Greek socialist MEP Eva Kaili hours after four other suspects had been detained for questioning. Belgium's federal prosecutor also conducted a series of raids at 16 addresses in Brussels.
www.lemonde.fr www.lemonde.fr

USA... talks about maybe doing something.
 
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