Weird stuff going down in Germany

[Captante]

You can actually look at the arrests and prosecutions for yourself

Why would that obvious Troll BBS bother fact-checking a thing since he doesn't care about truth, honesty or integrity one tiny bit?

 

[zinfamous]

Wow.. what does it mean that actual real life nazis plot to overthrow the German govt and your first impulse is to defend it by whatabouting to BLM and antifa?

It's even one of this typical illiterate Republican whatabouts, where their target for the whatabout is also incorrect. If Brandonbullshit had accurately whatabouted for the actual known US-based terrorists, it would have been like this:

"Just like those rightwing bugaloos and Homeland Security/border Patrol and oathkeepers and Trump supporters, ostensibly funded by Kremlin operatives and GOP Superpacs with a planned, coordinated effort to start race wars in the US?! What about our own rightwing terrorists, huh?"

Would be a pleasure to see these vile shitheads accept the actual truth for the only truth that it is.

 

[Muse]

Here's The New York Times story on this right now. This link should work for 14 days, i.e. until Xmas day:

The Prince, the Plot and a Long-Lost Reich (Published 2022)

Prince Heinrich XIII was arrested last week as the suspected ringleader of a plan to overthrow the German government. Nostalgic for an imperial past, he embraced far-right conspiracy theories.

www.nytimes.com

Snipped from the NYTimes story:

“Ever since Germany surrendered on the 8th of May, Germany has never been sovereign again,” Prince Heinrich XIII said in his speech, referring to the day of its defeat in World War II. “It was made into an administrative structure of the allies in the so-called united economy entity, Federal Republic of Germany — in other words, a commercial structure.”

It was speeches like this that began to alienate him from relatives of the House of Reuss. The head of the Reuss family, a distant cousin who, like all male heirs to the Reuss throne, is also named Heinrich, called him “a confused old man” and pointed out that even if his coup had been successful, he was only 17th in line for the throne.

“That means 16 of us would have to die before it is his turn,” he said, adding that what had propelled his distant cousin into his world of conspiracy was probably years of embitterment with the German courts.

 

[pmv]

Snipped from the NYTimes story:

“Ever since Germany surrendered on the 8th of May, Germany has never been sovereign again,” Prince Heinrich XIII said in his speech, referring to the day of its defeat in World War II. “It was made into an administrative structure of the allies in the so-called united economy entity, Federal Republic of Germany — in other words, a commercial structure.”

That theory seems remarkably similar to the "Sovereign Citizen" stuff in the US. Is it just coincidence? The far-right reinventing the exact same wheel in each country? Or did one lot crib the idea from the other? It seems like a very directly analogous kind of crazyness.

Sovereign Citizens Movement

Sovereign citizens believe they are not under the jurisdiction of the federal government and consider themselves exempt from U.S. law. They use a variety of conspiracy theories and falsehoods to justify their beliefs and their activities, some of which are illegal or violent. Their rejection of...

www.splcenter.org

The contemporary sovereign belief system is based on a decades-old conspiracy theory. Sovereigns believe that the American government set up by the founding fathers, under a common-law legal system, was secretly replaced. They think the replacement government swapped common law for admiralty law, which is the law of the sea and international commerce.


Some sovereigns believe this perfidious change occurred during the Civil War, while others blame the events of 1933, when the U.S. abandoned the gold standard. Either way, they stake their lives and livelihoods on the idea that U.S. judges and lawyers, who they believe are foreign agents, know about this hidden government takeover but argue against it, denying the sovereigns’ motions and filings out of treasonous loyalty to hidden and malevolent government forces.

 

[Muse]

That theory seems remarkably similar to the "Sovereign Citizen" stuff in the US. Is it just coincidence? The far-right reinventing the exact same wheel in each country? Or did one lot crib the idea from the other? It seems like a very directly analogous kind of crazyness.

Sovereign Citizens Movement

Sovereign citizens believe they are not under the jurisdiction of the federal government and consider themselves exempt from U.S. law. They use a variety of conspiracy theories and falsehoods to justify their beliefs and their activities, some of which are illegal or violent. Their rejection of...

www.splcenter.org

Whatever they might think or say or do they as US citizens are subject to the same laws.

 

[brycejones]

Whatever they might think or say or do they as US citizens are subject to the same laws.

Uh yes?

 

[pmv]

Whatever they might think or say or do they as US citizens are subject to the same laws.

Um, sure, but my point is merely wondering which lot - of the Riechburger and the Sov Citizens groups - copied the idea from the other. Or did they both come up with nearly-identical 'theories' (if that's not too dignified a word for this nonsense) entirely independently of each other?

Come to that, is this sort of theory ("This country is not actually a nation but is rather a corporation, as it was secretly transformed by foreign agents at some particular moment in the past") something that crops up on the far-right in other countries?

 

[MtnMan]

Seems that I am not the only one that has noticed that other free countries actually react to threats instead of just fucking talking about it,