Weightlifters: Do you push to failure on each set?

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

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How much do you bench?

Wtf? I'll never be able to bench that much.

You might have posted this in another thread, but what are your stats (measurements, height, weight, bf%, etc.)? Just curious.

I am not a body builder so I don't have any measurements, but I am 6 foot flat, currently ~285lbs, and I would guess probably 25% BF, maybe more.

I want to wrestle you!

I would lose so bad, I never wrestled in HS because I was too busy lifting for football, so everytime I would try with one of my friends I would get killed. It's all about quickness I guess.

Im just messin with you. I'm no wrestler. I just said that because 6'0 285lbs is huge, considering you're not a fata$$. I thought I was big at 5'11 202lbs.

You think 5'11" 202 is big? I only ask because I'm about that size. 6'1" 200 and 15%bf, soon to be 205-210. I still feel fairly small.

I'd honestly like to be 210-215 with about 13-15% maintenance body fat. I think that's where you really start to look bigger than normal but not quite monster.

Anyway, sorry... random thoughts from me today.

 

[Maxspeed996]

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

Originally posted by: Maxspeed996

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

Originally posted by: Maxspeed996

Originally posted by: platinumike

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor
Intensity you do not have to worry about, just make sure you give yourself enough time to recover.

As for the failure thing, it depends on what type of program you want to do and what your goals are.

My goal is to just get big and muscular, Im eating alot, and trying to gain weight. Tone is good but I know I have to get big first before I get tone.[/q]

That is one of the biggest misconceptions there is. Lets stop for a minute and think about this. I'm trying to gain "weight" (what kind of weight? Fat? Muscle?) go back to my earlier post and read what I said about this "Blanket statment" that people use when they get into working out. You do NOT want to gain WEIGHT. You want to gain LEAN MASS , or MUSCLE. You don't just put on a bunch of weight and turn it into muscle....Fat does not turn into muscle , much to the chagrin to the overweight people out there. You BUILD MUSCLE TISSUE THROUGH DIET , AND EXERCISE , AND REST.
you need to identify your goals. Do you want to be a big guy for your size. Or do you want to be defined. with a balanced phisique?
It sounds to me like the later , you want to be bigger , but you want it to be "defined" chisled , balanced.
This requires a balanced diet. A good start is your protein / carb intake. If you want to get the most growth as soon as possible. (and you need to do more homework , because I'm not going to go into everything!!) A good point to put in your head , is that you need 2 grams of protein for every pound of bodyweight you weigh. EVERY DAY. In order to adequately have enough available proteins and amino acids for your body to Generate , and repair damaged muscle tissue. If you are working out hard , and not getting enough. The first thing your body will burn up is the hard earned muscle for fuel. It's metabolized faster than fat. You need to keep the muscle you have , and add more.
Here is a litte tid bit fact.
For your body to maintain 1 lb. of fat , it only needs 1 calorie per hour to keep it.
For your body to maintain 1 lb. of muscle it needs 50 calories per hour to keep it.

By adding 10 lbs of muscle to your frame , you are increasing your bodies metabolic rate by 500 more calories. IE. your body will be burning more calories just sitting around. Which will help you to lose any of that other fat you are trying to lose. But that is where diet will make or break you.

Dude he isn't a n00b, you can stop with your basic stuff, stop trying to sound like you're an expert, because it's obvious you are not.

First of all , I never claimed to be an expert. Only experienced in the field.
Second , if you are using a computer tech forum to gain information on working out , he may not be a NooB , but he's definately needing some guidance.

3rd. just to cover all bases , the web is a good spot to gain info on this subject. But lets face it , you don't see Dorian Yates , Lee Haney , Nasser El Sonabaty , or any of the greats asking for help on the web , they are going to the people who KNOW the people in the gym. I'm just trying to point the guy in the right direction. Sorry if you feel that your "expertise" is being trampled upon. Telling someone to not worry about intensity , is like telling someone to throw away a major part of a good weight training regimen. I can honestly say , you are going to see the best results , and continue to get gains by changing your training style every 4-6 weeks. This will get you the benifits of each "Style" while not allowing your body to become accustomed to the stress of it.

Positive advice is the only thing that you will get from me. Saying nothing on the subject would be like having him go ahead , and just eat a ton of ****** , gain about 30 pounds and go to the gym because then I can turn it all into muscle. Whatever , the reason he's asking the question "do you go to failure" in the first place is because he's looking for some very basic information on a training principle.
Volumetric , Concentric , High Intensity , Low Intensity are all different principles that utilize the same basic concepts in working out. Pointing someone in the right direction must be a problem for you with this kind of attitude.

So with that in mind.....*huh huh....how much can you bench? huh huh?

560 with single ply shirt

475 Raw


How much do you bench?

LOL ! That was meant as a joke bro ,

but 6- cookies and 2- 25's on a 45 lb. bar was the heaviest I moved for a max.

 

[krunchykrome]

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

560 with single ply shirt

475 Raw


How much do you bench?

Wtf? I'll never be able to bench that much.

You might have posted this in another thread, but what are your stats (measurements, height, weight, bf%, etc.)? Just curious.

I am not a body builder so I don't have any measurements, but I am 6 foot flat, currently ~285lbs, and I would guess probably 25% BF, maybe more.

I want to wrestle you!

I would lose so bad, I never wrestled in HS because I was too busy lifting for football, so everytime I would try with one of my friends I would get killed. It's all about quickness I guess.

Im just messin with you. I'm no wrestler. I just said that because 6'0 285lbs is huge, considering you're not a fata$$. I thought I was big at 5'11 202lbs.

You think 5'11" 202 is big? I only ask because I'm about that size. 6'1" 200 and 15%bf, soon to be 205-210. I still feel fairly small.

I'd honestly like to be 210-215 with about 13-15% maintenance body fat. I think that's where you really start to look bigger than normal but not quite monster.

Anyway, sorry... random thoughts from me today.

Well, I know 5'11 202lbs is not big, but I graduated high school at 5'11 135lbs. It's been about six years since then. Im trying to reach 210 by the end of the year.

 

[bigfil]

im about 6' 2" and 255lbs with too much body fat
at my lightest i was 205lbs and that was years ago
trying to get down to 235ish

i don't push to failure on each set myself
i do 4x5s increasing weight each week

i used to be able to curl 135lbs standing with no sway
now im lucky to be able to curl 100lbs 5 times without swaying

the way i used to work out was not good at all
i only worked specific body parts and not the entire body

i feel much better as far as gains and such now thats for sure

edit: oh the workout is as follows

back biceps
shoulders triceps
chest
legs

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: bigfil
im about 6' 2" and 255lbs with too much body fat
at my lightest i was 205lbs and that was years ago
trying to get down to 235ish

i don't push to failure on each set myself
i do 4x5s increasing weight each week

i used to be able to curl 135lbs standing with no sway
now im lucky to be able to curl 100lbs 5 times without swaying

the way i used to work out was not good at all
i only worked specific body parts and not the entire body

i feel much better as far as gains and such now thats for sure

edit: oh the workout is as follows

back biceps
shoulders triceps
chest
legs

I've tried implementing that split before, but imo, it doesn't work well. On back days I hit it fairly hard with deadlifts, shrugs, lat pulls and bent-over rows. The lat pulls and rows hit the parts of the bicep pretty hard, imo, and it compromises the bicep workout.

Just my opinion. I find biceps to be better on chest or shoulder days, and triceps on back days.

 

[EmperorIQ]

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

Originally posted by: Maxspeed996

Originally posted by: platinumike

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor
Intensity you do not have to worry about, just make sure you give yourself enough time to recover.

As for the failure thing, it depends on what type of program you want to do and what your goals are.

My goal is to just get big and muscular, Im eating alot, and trying to gain weight. Tone is good but I know I have to get big first before I get tone.[/q]

That is one of the biggest misconceptions there is. Lets stop for a minute and think about this. I'm trying to gain "weight" (what kind of weight? Fat? Muscle?) go back to my earlier post and read what I said about this "Blanket statment" that people use when they get into working out. You do NOT want to gain WEIGHT. You want to gain LEAN MASS , or MUSCLE. You don't just put on a bunch of weight and turn it into muscle....Fat does not turn into muscle , much to the chagrin to the overweight people out there. You BUILD MUSCLE TISSUE THROUGH DIET , AND EXERCISE , AND REST.
you need to identify your goals. Do you want to be a big guy for your size. Or do you want to be defined. with a balanced phisique?
It sounds to me like the later , you want to be bigger , but you want it to be "defined" chisled , balanced.
This requires a balanced diet. A good start is your protein / carb intake. If you want to get the most growth as soon as possible. (and you need to do more homework , because I'm not going to go into everything!!) A good point to put in your head , is that you need 2 grams of protein for every pound of bodyweight you weigh. EVERY DAY. In order to adequately have enough available proteins and amino acids for your body to Generate , and repair damaged muscle tissue. If you are working out hard , and not getting enough. The first thing your body will burn up is the hard earned muscle for fuel. It's metabolized faster than fat. You need to keep the muscle you have , and add more.
Here is a litte tid bit fact.
For your body to maintain 1 lb. of fat , it only needs 1 calorie per hour to keep it.
For your body to maintain 1 lb. of muscle it needs 50 calories per hour to keep it.

By adding 10 lbs of muscle to your frame , you are increasing your bodies metabolic rate by 500 more calories. IE. your body will be burning more calories just sitting around. Which will help you to lose any of that other fat you are trying to lose. But that is where diet will make or break you.

Dude he isn't a n00b, you can stop with your basic stuff, stop trying to sound like you're an expert, because it's obvious you are not.

i can't say that you aren't an expert, but you're coming off as a bit rude. Even though most people say I want to gain weight, to the majority of society, we will most likely think of it as "gaining muscle mass". How many people do you honestly think will mean "dude, i just wish i was fat."

calm down man. (talking to Maxspeed996, not you f22)

 

[Maxspeed996]

Originally posted by: EmperorIQ

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

Originally posted by: Maxspeed996

Originally posted by: platinumike

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor
Intensity you do not have to worry about, just make sure you give yourself enough time to recover.

As for the failure thing, it depends on what type of program you want to do and what your goals are.

My goal is to just get big and muscular, Im eating alot, and trying to gain weight. Tone is good but I know I have to get big first before I get tone.[/q]

That is one of the biggest misconceptions there is. Lets stop for a minute and think about this. I'm trying to gain "weight" (what kind of weight? Fat? Muscle?) go back to my earlier post and read what I said about this "Blanket statment" that people use when they get into working out. You do NOT want to gain WEIGHT. You want to gain LEAN MASS , or MUSCLE. You don't just put on a bunch of weight and turn it into muscle....Fat does not turn into muscle , much to the chagrin to the overweight people out there. You BUILD MUSCLE TISSUE THROUGH DIET , AND EXERCISE , AND REST.
you need to identify your goals. Do you want to be a big guy for your size. Or do you want to be defined. with a balanced phisique?
It sounds to me like the later , you want to be bigger , but you want it to be "defined" chisled , balanced.
This requires a balanced diet. A good start is your protein / carb intake. If you want to get the most growth as soon as possible. (and you need to do more homework , because I'm not going to go into everything!!) A good point to put in your head , is that you need 2 grams of protein for every pound of bodyweight you weigh. EVERY DAY. In order to adequately have enough available proteins and amino acids for your body to Generate , and repair damaged muscle tissue. If you are working out hard , and not getting enough. The first thing your body will burn up is the hard earned muscle for fuel. It's metabolized faster than fat. You need to keep the muscle you have , and add more.
Here is a litte tid bit fact.
For your body to maintain 1 lb. of fat , it only needs 1 calorie per hour to keep it.
For your body to maintain 1 lb. of muscle it needs 50 calories per hour to keep it.

By adding 10 lbs of muscle to your frame , you are increasing your bodies metabolic rate by 500 more calories. IE. your body will be burning more calories just sitting around. Which will help you to lose any of that other fat you are trying to lose. But that is where diet will make or break you.

Dude he isn't a n00b, you can stop with your basic stuff, stop trying to sound like you're an expert, because it's obvious you are not.

i can't say that you aren't an expert, but you're coming off as a bit rude. Even though most people say I want to gain weight, to the majority of society, we will most likely think of it as "gaining muscle mass". How many people do you honestly think will mean "dude, i just wish i was fat."

calm down man. (talking to Maxspeed996, not you f22)

platnumike...I appologize if I came across rude , I didn't think I was coming across that way at all. Just trying to answer your question. There was good info from quite a few people here. Keep workin out, that's the best thing you can do for yourself. Set small goals , and keep good form , and flip your routine from time to time. Keep the protein / carb intake balanced. And you'll do well.
The main question you have about going to failure , well , if you are doing high intensity training , then yes, shoot for failure. 1 good warm up set , then 3-4 sets , unless you are doing drop sets or strip sets.....then one big bad set till you are wiped out. Just keep a spotter close when doing this.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: Maxspeed996

Originally posted by: EmperorIQ

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

Originally posted by: Maxspeed996

Originally posted by: platinumike

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor
Intensity you do not have to worry about, just make sure you give yourself enough time to recover.

As for the failure thing, it depends on what type of program you want to do and what your goals are.

My goal is to just get big and muscular, Im eating alot, and trying to gain weight. Tone is good but I know I have to get big first before I get tone.[/q]

That is one of the biggest misconceptions there is. Lets stop for a minute and think about this. I'm trying to gain "weight" (what kind of weight? Fat? Muscle?) go back to my earlier post and read what I said about this "Blanket statment" that people use when they get into working out. You do NOT want to gain WEIGHT. You want to gain LEAN MASS , or MUSCLE. You don't just put on a bunch of weight and turn it into muscle....Fat does not turn into muscle , much to the chagrin to the overweight people out there. You BUILD MUSCLE TISSUE THROUGH DIET , AND EXERCISE , AND REST.
you need to identify your goals. Do you want to be a big guy for your size. Or do you want to be defined. with a balanced phisique?
It sounds to me like the later , you want to be bigger , but you want it to be "defined" chisled , balanced.
This requires a balanced diet. A good start is your protein / carb intake. If you want to get the most growth as soon as possible. (and you need to do more homework , because I'm not going to go into everything!!) A good point to put in your head , is that you need 2 grams of protein for every pound of bodyweight you weigh. EVERY DAY. In order to adequately have enough available proteins and amino acids for your body to Generate , and repair damaged muscle tissue. If you are working out hard , and not getting enough. The first thing your body will burn up is the hard earned muscle for fuel. It's metabolized faster than fat. You need to keep the muscle you have , and add more.
Here is a litte tid bit fact.
For your body to maintain 1 lb. of fat , it only needs 1 calorie per hour to keep it.
For your body to maintain 1 lb. of muscle it needs 50 calories per hour to keep it.

By adding 10 lbs of muscle to your frame , you are increasing your bodies metabolic rate by 500 more calories. IE. your body will be burning more calories just sitting around. Which will help you to lose any of that other fat you are trying to lose. But that is where diet will make or break you.

Dude he isn't a n00b, you can stop with your basic stuff, stop trying to sound like you're an expert, because it's obvious you are not.

i can't say that you aren't an expert, but you're coming off as a bit rude. Even though most people say I want to gain weight, to the majority of society, we will most likely think of it as "gaining muscle mass". How many people do you honestly think will mean "dude, i just wish i was fat."

calm down man. (talking to Maxspeed996, not you f22)

platnumike...I appologize if I came across rude , I didn't think I was coming across that way at all. Just trying to answer your question. There was good info from quite a few people here. Keep workin out, that's the best thing you can do for yourself. Set small goals , and keep good form , and flip your routine from time to time. Keep the protein / carb intake balanced. And you'll do well.
The main question you have about going to failure , well , if you are doing high intensity training , then yes, shoot for failure. 1 good warm up set , then 3-4 sets , unless you are doing drop sets or strip sets.....then one big bad set till you are wiped out. Just keep a spotter close when doing this.

Yeah you just came off as rude, your advice is good, sorry for bashing you like that.

 

[RapidSnail]

Great thread. Marked for later.

 

[Staples]

Yes and it always seems to work better. I have tried sets but it seems that your muscular system gets a better encouragement to grow if you stress it to failure.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

Then get rid of your isolation days and exercises. Stick with compound exercises and concentrate on form. I would lift monday wednesday and friday, monday I would focus on bench and squat, wednesday deadlift, maybe some olympic work and core work, and friday squats and bench. Focus on form then add the weight later. You'll see much more sucess with getting muscular and big by eating big and lifting big (when you get form down) then by doing body building sculpting exercises that are probably not the best for you anyway without being experienced enough to know what to do.

I guess that depends on the person. Doing a muscle group twice in one week proved to be too much for me. I didn't get injured doing it, I just simply wouldn't grow any more. I cut it back to once a week, and now I'm growing again.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

Then get rid of your isolation days and exercises. Stick with compound exercises and concentrate on form. I would lift monday wednesday and friday, monday I would focus on bench and squat, wednesday deadlift, maybe some olympic work and core work, and friday squats and bench. Focus on form then add the weight later. You'll see much more sucess with getting muscular and big by eating big and lifting big (when you get form down) then by doing body building sculpting exercises that are probably not the best for you anyway without being experienced enough to know what to do.

I guess that depends on the person. Doing a muscle group twice in one week proved to be too much for me. I didn't get injured doing it, I just simply wouldn't grow any more. I cut it back to once a week, and now I'm growing again.

Weird, usually 72 hours is plenty of time. Were you getting proper sleep and enough food? Maybe a BCAA deficiney? Also, were you new to lifting or just starting again, because soreness doesn't necessarily mean overtraining. Although as long as it works for you, then keep it up.