Weight training again

[SociallyChallenged]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Deeko
The floodgates have been opened....haha these forums are obsessed with that book.

Don't get me wrong. I have it and it's full of useful information, I just don't worship Rippetoe like some of the other members.

There you go again.

As ritually as SS is mentioned, Deeko comes in to scoff at the hands of the program.

To Deeko: it's easier to say "read this" than to type out "do compound lifts such as *THESE* in reps and sets like *THESE* and do it while doing *THIS* with *THIS* form." It's less praising Rippetoe and more letting the person get some correct info. It's just how I refer someone to a textbook or website rather than having to explain every little detail. You can't verbalize form usually. SS gives pictures and detailed explanations on approaching it.

 

[gramboh]

Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Deeko
The floodgates have been opened....haha these forums are obsessed with that book.

Don't get me wrong. I have it and it's full of useful information, I just don't worship Rippetoe like some of the other members.

There you go again.

As ritually as SS is mentioned, Deeko comes in to scoff at the hands of the program.

To Deeko: it's easier to say "read this" than to type out "do compound lifts such as *THESE* in reps and sets like *THESE* and do it while doing *THIS* with *THIS* form." It's less praising Rippetoe and more letting the person get some correct info. It's just how I refer someone to a textbook or website rather than having to explain every little detail. You can't verbalize form usually. SS gives pictures and detailed explanations on approaching it.

Exactly, would love to see a counter argument to this statement. There isn't one.

 

[Deeko]

For a group of people so intent on telling people to read, your reading comprehension is sorely lacking in this (and other) thread. It's really funny that I can say positives about something, but refuse to cite it as the Gospel of the Lord, and say that I find it amusing that others do, and somehow take flack for it. I literally have never said a bad word about Starting Strength. All I've ever said is that it is not the only option out there, and that it's either funny or aggravating (depending on my mood) when people act like it is.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: gramboh

Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Deeko
The floodgates have been opened....haha these forums are obsessed with that book.

Don't get me wrong. I have it and it's full of useful information, I just don't worship Rippetoe like some of the other members.

There you go again.

As ritually as SS is mentioned, Deeko comes in to scoff at the hands of the program.

To Deeko: it's easier to say "read this" than to type out "do compound lifts such as *THESE* in reps and sets like *THESE* and do it while doing *THIS* with *THIS* form." It's less praising Rippetoe and more letting the person get some correct info. It's just how I refer someone to a textbook or website rather than having to explain every little detail. You can't verbalize form usually. SS gives pictures and detailed explanations on approaching it.

Exactly, would love to see a counter argument to this statement. There isn't one.

Huh? As I've said before - if the answer to every question is in Starting Strength, the ATH&F link would take you straight to Amazon. There's nothing wrong with actually answering people's questions. For example - the other thread people got pissy in (about crunches), the dude didn't ask how to weight lift, he didn't ask if he should weight lift, and somehow the answer to the question was "read a barbell training book". As per usual - I did not say anything bad about the book or the program, in fact, initially all I said was "I knew it wouldn't take long until someone mentioned SS". People got their panties in a wad, and decided to turn it into a worthless debate.

You kids need to lighten up.

 

[gramboh]

The OP of this thread appears to be a novice weightlifter asking for general programming advice. What's a program/resource with comparable efficacy to Starting Strength that you would suggest in its place? Just wondering why it's "funny" that people suggest SS in this particular thread. We are not talking about another thread.

 

[Deeko]

Did you actually read the thread? I was the first person to reply. He posted what he planned to do, and I offered my critiques.

It's funny that it comes up in EVERY thread. Very simple. You're obviously looking into it more than you should be.

 

[SociallyChallenged]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: gramboh

Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Deeko
The floodgates have been opened....haha these forums are obsessed with that book.

Don't get me wrong. I have it and it's full of useful information, I just don't worship Rippetoe like some of the other members.

There you go again.

As ritually as SS is mentioned, Deeko comes in to scoff at the hands of the program.

To Deeko: it's easier to say "read this" than to type out "do compound lifts such as *THESE* in reps and sets like *THESE* and do it while doing *THIS* with *THIS* form." It's less praising Rippetoe and more letting the person get some correct info. It's just how I refer someone to a textbook or website rather than having to explain every little detail. You can't verbalize form usually. SS gives pictures and detailed explanations on approaching it.

Exactly, would love to see a counter argument to this statement. There isn't one.

Huh? As I've said before - if the answer to every question is in Starting Strength, the ATH&F link would take you straight to Amazon. There's nothing wrong with actually answering people's questions. For example - the other thread people got pissy in (about crunches), the dude didn't ask how to weight lift, he didn't ask if he should weight lift, and somehow the answer to the question was "read a barbell training book". As per usual - I did not say anything bad about the book or the program, in fact, initially all I said was "I knew it wouldn't take long until someone mentioned SS". People got their panties in a wad, and decided to turn it into a worthless debate.

You kids need to lighten up.

Well, the OP of that thread also assumed he could maintain his LBM while losing this weight. IF he wants to keep his LBM the same (which MOST people do), he'll have to lift. That's why lifting programs were mentioned. Nobody wants to be skinny fat because they lost all their muscle mass by jogging without any lifting.

 

[brikis98]

woops, wrong thread. please ignore this post.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Deeko
For a group of people so intent on telling people to read, your reading comprehension is sorely lacking in this (and other) thread. It's really funny that I can say positives about something, but refuse to cite it as the Gospel of the Lord, and say that I find it amusing that others do, and somehow take flack for it. I literally have never said a bad word about Starting Strength. All I've ever said is that it is not the only option out there, and that it's either funny or aggravating (depending on my mood) when people act like it is.

I think what bothers you is that so many neophytes quote it as if they have some how been transformed into some muscle bond Arnoldisque figure after following it for 3 to 6 months.

The thing that concerns me about it is that it concentrates a lot on the Squat and Deadlifts, to very good exercises but also two very dangerous exercises if not performed correctly. If one of these beginners screws up his back by not doing that exercise properly he could be fucked up for life.

 

[SociallyChallenged]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Deeko
For a group of people so intent on telling people to read, your reading comprehension is sorely lacking in this (and other) thread. It's really funny that I can say positives about something, but refuse to cite it as the Gospel of the Lord, and say that I find it amusing that others do, and somehow take flack for it. I literally have never said a bad word about Starting Strength. All I've ever said is that it is not the only option out there, and that it's either funny or aggravating (depending on my mood) when people act like it is.

I think what bothers you is that so many neophytes quote it as if they have some how been transformed into some muscle bond Arnoldisque figure after following it for 3 to 6 months.

The thing that concerns me about it is that it concentrates a lot on the Squat and Deadlifts, to very good exercises but also two very dangerous exercises if not performed correctly. If one of these beginners screws up his back by not doing that exercise properly he could be fucked up for life.

Well, form is strongly stressed and weight is supposed to be very light. You can damage yourself in anything really, but I feel that there are sufficient warnings saying that you need to learn the form before you add any weight.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Deeko
For a group of people so intent on telling people to read, your reading comprehension is sorely lacking in this (and other) thread. It's really funny that I can say positives about something, but refuse to cite it as the Gospel of the Lord, and say that I find it amusing that others do, and somehow take flack for it. I literally have never said a bad word about Starting Strength. All I've ever said is that it is not the only option out there, and that it's either funny or aggravating (depending on my mood) when people act like it is.

I think what bothers you is that so many neophytes quote it as if they have some how been transformed into some muscle bond Arnoldisque figure after following it for 3 to 6 months.

The thing that concerns me about it is that it concentrates a lot on the Squat and Deadlifts, to very good exercises but also two very dangerous exercises if not performed correctly. If one of these beginners screws up his back by not doing that exercise properly he could be fucked up for life.

Well, form is strongly stressed and weight is supposed to be very light. You can damage yourself in anything really, but I feel that there are sufficient warnings saying that you need to learn the form before you add any weight.

Yeah it seemed to work out for you.

 

[SociallyChallenged]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Deeko
For a group of people so intent on telling people to read, your reading comprehension is sorely lacking in this (and other) thread. It's really funny that I can say positives about something, but refuse to cite it as the Gospel of the Lord, and say that I find it amusing that others do, and somehow take flack for it. I literally have never said a bad word about Starting Strength. All I've ever said is that it is not the only option out there, and that it's either funny or aggravating (depending on my mood) when people act like it is.

I think what bothers you is that so many neophytes quote it as if they have some how been transformed into some muscle bond Arnoldisque figure after following it for 3 to 6 months.

The thing that concerns me about it is that it concentrates a lot on the Squat and Deadlifts, to very good exercises but also two very dangerous exercises if not performed correctly. If one of these beginners screws up his back by not doing that exercise properly he could be fucked up for life.

Well, form is strongly stressed and weight is supposed to be very light. You can damage yourself in anything really, but I feel that there are sufficient warnings saying that you need to learn the form before you add any weight.

Yeah it seemed to work out for you.

I've never done starting strength, nor have I owned the book at any point. I did Max-OT, a bodybuilding program, with a previously undiagnosed congenital shoulder impingement. My hip tendonitis was caused by my stubbornness in doing a CrossFit workout on the roman chair. I've never injured myself on squats or deadlifts or any of those major lifts. I've read parts of SS and Rippetoe's advice and he always stresses form above intensity. My form on all my exercises is fairly good, but I always strive for better.

So am I as you say "fucked up for life?" Nope. No, I'm not, because I'm not an idiot who doesn't learn form and then stacks 300 pounds on any one thing. My shoulder impingement is being worked on with physical therapy and is getting much better and my hip is being strengthened with squats. So in the end, yeah, squats and deadlifts do work great for me. Thanks for saying so.