wehre is ION?

[ashegam]

I can't find any information on the intel ION chip for netbooks. I want to know when it's coming out, if there are problems with it, what all it's suppose to do etc...

why is info on this chip so scarce? even google won't give me a straight answer.

 

[Hacp]

Its cause intel is pressuring manufactures not to put ion in netbooks by raising prices.

 

[LoneNinja]

ION is an Nvidia chipset produced for use with Atom, it's not an Intel chipset. Intel is basically shutting Nvidia out of the market by giving their chipset in a combo with the Atom for next to nothing, so netbooks using the ION would cost more and there for it isn't very attractive for OEMs to build.

 

[Lonyo]

ION + Atom CPU is ~2.5x the price of Intel chipset + Atom CPU, which is where the problem lies. ($30~35 vs $75~$80)

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/m...__Ion__Core_Logic.html

 

[JAG87]

That's not true, Intel did not pressure anybody, those were just rumors. Intel just said that Atom is not for sale as a standalone cpu, so you have to purchase Atom + Chipset. This brings the cost up, because now you have to essentially purchase a second chipset, and discard Intel's. ION is coming to the market it's just late, and the cost won't be much more than Intel's chipset, just a small premium.

http://www.dailytech.com/Lenov...arket/article15222.htm



ashegam, how is it that you can't find any information when Anandtech itself covered ION in detail:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3509

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: JAG87
That's not true, Intel did not pressure anybody, those were just rumors. Intel just said that Atom is not for sale as a standalone cpu, so you have to purchase Atom + Chipset. This brings the cost up, because now you have to essentially purchase a second chipset, and discard Intel's.

Intel could easily sell the Atom alone without being bundled, but they will not. Hence, they are IMO in a roundabout way, applying price pressure.

I wonder if manufacturers can just reuse the Intel chipset in a cheap motherboard instead of just discarding it?

 

[Acanthus]

That sound awfully anti-competitive to me.

 

[geokilla]

NVIDIA ION is already out. But as the others stated, due to how Intel is bundling the Atom with their 945 or whatever chipset, they're basically selling the Intel Atom for free, thus making it more practical for OEMs to go the Intel route.

Oh rumor has it that ION2 is getting prepared and to be released. NVIDIA ION2

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: Lonyo
ION + Atom CPU is ~2.5x the price of Intel chipset + Atom CPU, which is where the problem lies. ($30~35 vs $75~$80)

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/m...__Ion__Core_Logic.html

If the price is so much higher, wouldn't it be more sensible to use an nvidia discrete graphics chip? I mean, most of the Ion netbooks are a bit bigger anyway.

 

[vj8usa]

Originally posted by: Fox5
If the price is so much higher, wouldn't it be more sensible to use an nvidia discrete graphics chip? I mean, most of the Ion netbooks are a bit bigger anyway.

Heat/power consumption

 

[Soulkeeper]

Originally posted by: vj8usa

Originally posted by: Fox5
If the price is so much higher, wouldn't it be more sensible to use an nvidia discrete graphics chip? I mean, most of the Ion netbooks are a bit bigger anyway.

Heat/power consumption

Not only that, from what i've heard a term of the atom licensing is that no pcie slots can be on the motherboards


I would love to see via cpu + nvidia chipset
I believe that could beat the atom

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Soulkeeper

Originally posted by: vj8usa

Originally posted by: Fox5
If the price is so much higher, wouldn't it be more sensible to use an nvidia discrete graphics chip? I mean, most of the Ion netbooks are a bit bigger anyway.

Heat/power consumption

Not only that, from what i've heard a term of the atom licensing is that no pcie slots can be on the motherboards


I would love to see via cpu + nvidia chipset
I believe that could beat the atom

The only problem is that via is in constant disarray. They're a mess!

 

[drizek]

Ya, it is pretty unfortunate. AMD won't enter the market, Intel has been sitting on their asses ever since the atom first launched(60mhz clock speed increase, lol) and VIA hasn't been able to get anyone to pick up their nano.

Intel and MS are trying to kill atom by putting so many constraints on the rest of the system, such as lcd size, resolution, expansion, etc.

I was expecting 32nm atom by the end of the year, but now I don't see that happening. ARM netbooks should be interesting though.

 

[Fox5]

I don't really get the 'buzz' about nano. At 25W TDP, AMD has chips that are just as low power and a similar level of performance. I think AMD even has a dual core out now that fits in that TDP.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Fox5
I don't really get the 'buzz' about nano. At 25W TDP, AMD has chips that are just as low power and a similar level of performance. I think AMD even has a dual core out now that fits in that TDP.

Why are you ignoring the ULV models that have a tpd of 5-8 W?

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: Soulkeeper

Originally posted by: vj8usa

Originally posted by: Fox5
If the price is so much higher, wouldn't it be more sensible to use an nvidia discrete graphics chip? I mean, most of the Ion netbooks are a bit bigger anyway.

Heat/power consumption

Not only that, from what i've heard a term of the atom licensing is that no pcie slots can be on the motherboards


I would love to see via cpu + nvidia chipset
I believe that could beat the atom

I think that's netbook licensing, not atom. As in, pay 3x the cost for windows if you break it.
But Intel is the only one who makes Atom motherboards, so none will have pcie slots.

Why are you ignoring the ULV models that have a tpd of 5-8 W?

Didn't know they existed. But Intel have ULV Core 2's, which will blow away a nano in performance. AMD could probably produce a few token 5-8W chips as well, underclock and undervolt a single core 65nm cpu.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Fox5

Originally posted by: Soulkeeper

Originally posted by: vj8usa

Originally posted by: Fox5
If the price is so much higher, wouldn't it be more sensible to use an nvidia discrete graphics chip? I mean, most of the Ion netbooks are a bit bigger anyway.

Heat/power consumption

Not only that, from what i've heard a term of the atom licensing is that no pcie slots can be on the motherboards


I would love to see via cpu + nvidia chipset
I believe that could beat the atom

I think that's netbook licensing, not atom. As in, pay 3x the cost for windows if you break it.
But Intel is the only one who makes Atom motherboards, so none will have pcie slots.

Why are you ignoring the ULV models that have a tpd of 5-8 W?

Didn't know they existed. But Intel have ULV Core 2's, which will blow away a nano in performance. AMD could probably produce a few token 5-8W chips as well, underclock and undervolt a single core 65nm cpu.

The difference is that Intel's 5 watt processors cost a ton more than Via's.

 

[SickBeast]

What about the Athlon Neo?

There's also Nvidia's Tegra, which looks very interesting for things like cellphones. Once they develop it more, it could turn into something like Fusion.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
What about the Athlon Neo?

There's also Nvidia's Tegra, which looks very interesting for things like cellphones. Once they develop it more, it could turn into something like Fusion.

fusion is a pipe dream... Clarkdale is supposed to hit Q4 of this year.

 

[taltamir]

nvidia is barking up the wrong tree I think. It needs to be smaller, cheaper, and cooler and less power consuming.
Not bigger and hotter and more power consuming and more expensive but faster. ION2 looks like a flop to me... The atom is already a limiting factor in gaming on ION.