Week 21 of weight loss program. Back on the diet.

[djheater]

Good job, man. Stick to it and keep it off.. I'm pulling for you.

My Dad was 450#'s He developed esophageal cancer, and his poor health was a major obstacle to his treatment. He died just before Thanksgiving....

Now I'm definately not saying you'll get cancer, what I'm saying is, getting that weight off is the first step in having a long healthy fulfilling life.

Good for you, I'm rooting for you.

 

[jakedeez]

Originally posted by: brxndxn
I don't like the idea of 'crash diets' like this.. The human body slows the metabolism down and causes food to be retained longer when it is starved. Then, when the food starts coming, it uses it to quickly start rebuilding 'storage'.

The best way to lose weight is a small amount over a long period of time.. like.. the rest of your life. If you got up to 410 by just eating whatever you felt, you'll either NEVER be able to eat like that again - or you'll die in 10 years and weigh a million pounds.

Your target weight * 10 = best long term diet plans in terms of calories.. You wanna weigh 220.. eat 2200 calories/day and get exercise - lots of exercise. If you wanna feel like sh1t for a few months, lose a ton of weight, and then gain it all back, do a crash diet.

I don't claim to be an expert.. but this sh!t just seems to be obvious. And every goddamn overweight person wants some sort of special program for 'physically fit' to happen quickly.

I hate to crap on the weight loss.. but every time you lost weight, you gained it back - and then some. Instead of sticking to this for a couple months, you need to plan for a lifetime. Losing weight isn't as easy as just going without food.. Go without food for 10 days and drink water - and you'd lose lots of weight in that 10 days.. but then in the next one day, you could eat 10,000 calories and still feel hungry. The human body is made for an environment where food is scarce - it's up to you to discipline yourself to treat it that way for a lifetime.

IMO, just get use to the 'slightly hungry' feeling and being 'half full' after every meal and you'd probby do fine. Oh ya.. stay the hell away from processed foods and snacks..

Sorry if I seem harsh, but I got a brother and dad who have been struggling with weight loss for years now - and it seems they've finally realized that losing weight is a lifetime commitment and not something that happens in two months.

Even if you lose a ton of weight on this program, you HAVE to see a dietician and plan a way to keep it off. If you've survived the last 4 months on a single pickle per day and then suddenly eat a cheeseburger, your body will somehow figure out a way to gain 10lbs back from that single cheeseburger.

Of course your right that crash diets usually don't work, and it makes it easier to gain the weight back. And of course if I could stick to a 2200 CPD diet, that would also be really good. The thing is that I have a real hard time with it because I get really discouraged by the slow progress of other diets. This is something I am doing as an altrenative to Gastric Bypass, so the dramatic nature of it seems to me to be, while not ideal, better then either the surgery or failing at a more moderate diet.

Also, I have to disagree, losing weight should not have to be a life long commitment.

Keeping the weight off and sticking healthier eating is for sure a life long commitment, but I feel like I needed to do this program to try and get myself started.

And I don't think "physically fit" is going to happen quickly, this is a long term commitment and program. It is just the first four months (at least to start) that are on this fourmula plan. As I said before, I will scan and post more details from teh program when I get home.

If you are curious about it though - here is a link to more info...

Dr. Frank link

 

[jakedeez]

Originally posted by: djheater
Good job, man. Stick to it and keep it off.. I'm pulling for you.

My Dad was 450#'s He developed esophageal cancer, and his poor health was a major obstacle to his treatment. He died just before Thanksgiving....

Now I'm definately not saying you'll get cancer, what I'm saying is, getting that weight off is the first step in having a long healthy fulfilling life.

Good for you, I'm rooting for you.

I am sorry to hear about your father man.

And thanks for the well wishes, I appreciate the support.

Originally posted by: Feldenak


Good job OP and stick with it.

Thanks man!

 

[Patt]

Congrats on the loss, and kudos to following the plan. I'm a little uncertain about the 'food' you're on, but if there is a transition program, as you mentioned to get back to healthy eating of real foods I don't see too much of an issue. It is great to see people being proactive, and I wish you all the best.

Keep us updated, and go to those meetings!

 

[BW86]

congrats! Keep it up!

 

[ElFenix]

jebus! if i lost 30 lbs i'd be skin and bones! congrats!

 

[brxndxn]

Originally posted by: jakedeez
Background and Info on diet:

Well, I responded to a different post about someone going on an excersize program for the holidays, but I thought I would start my own thread about what I am doing. I am sure plenty of people will just respond and call me a fat ass, but I felt like if I was posting progress then it would help me stick to it, and hopefully I would get some moral support from some ATOTers

I am about 6'1" tall. My weight at the begining of the program was 410 lbs.

I have lost weight before, going from 340 to around 250, but gained it back. Also more recently from 350 to about 310. Then gaining up to 410.

I started this program on 11/25/05.

The diet includes:

4 protien packets per day (aprox 100 calories each)
4 servings of dairy a day (1 cup skim mike or nonfat yougart, or 2/3 cup nonfat cottage cheese.)
2-3 Bullion cubs (for sodium)
3 TBS of flax seed per day (110 calories of essential fatty acids)
Multivitmans
Folic Acid Tablets
Postassium Tablets
At least 1 gallon of water per day

I have stuck to the diet very well, breaking it only once (with apporval of the people tha trun the program after two weeks for 1 calzone)

Also after the 2nd week they said I could add dill pickels (10 per day) and for the first few days I had more like 20 (although that is only about 100 extra calories)

Also there are weekly doctor visits for blood pressure, ekgs, weigh ins, and check ups.

Additionally there are "educational groups" which I have not yet attended.

IMO, you should add Metamucil or some other fiber supplement.. All those protein supplements with no 'bulk' is gonna give you 24/7 watery diahrea..

 

[jakedeez]

Originally posted by: brxndxn


IMO, you should add Metamucil or some other fiber supplement.. All those protein supplements with no 'bulk' is gonna give you 24/7 watery diahrea..

Yeah, they suggest something like that if you need it... I haven't...

 

[RossMAN]

How on earth can you eat 20 pickles a day?

My limit would be 2.

 

[pontifex]

i need to lose weight too but i am not very motivated to do it.

 

[mundane]

Congrats, and good luck through this holiday season.

 

[jakedeez]

Originally posted by: RossMAN
How on earth can you eat 20 pickles a day?

My limit would be 2.

It is so easy when you don't eat anything else...

Originally posted by: diegoalcatraz
Congrats, and good luck through this holiday season.

Thanks man!

Originally posted by: pontifex
i need to lose weight too but i am not very motivated to do it.

I hear you...

 

[Fenixgoon]

way to go!!!

 

[toekramp]

good luck!

 

[edro]

Eating ~1000 calories a day is not a diet... it's starvation. There is no way you will be able to continue that for any extended period of time.

It is good to get your started, but at your weight, you need to be eating at least 3000 calories a day.

 

[Schadenfreude]

Originally posted by: edro
Eating ~1000 calories a day is not a diet... it's starvation. There is no way you will be able to continue that for any extended period of time.

It is good to get your started, but at your weight, you need to be eating at least 3000 calories a day.

It sounds like as the OP makes progress, the testers grant him more and more food . . ..

Anyhow, back on topic - congrats, and we (since some others have said this) wish you the best in the endeavor! Let us know how it's going!

 

[Glavinsolo]

How are you doing on the liquids? Are you keeping to the water only? If you have an office job ask if you can bring in a 2.5gal jug and plop that on your desk and get some dixie cups. For those who drink soda, switching to a water only will allow you to lose a quick 2-5lbs. I drink water and wine, beats everything else imo. Do they give you any fish oil for omega-3 supplement, or is that what flax seeds are for? Good Luck man, its going to be a difficult next 2 years but if you get down to ~220 before you are 30 you should be well off in health.

 

[kyzen]

Great job!

I'm really curious about the transition back to food. I currently weigh in at 230ish (varies by up to 4 pounds every few days), and would like to cut that down to 180ish. Not sure if this diet is for me; but it's still interesting.

 

[EmperorIQ]

Originally posted by: jakedeez

Originally posted by: Wapp
grats? Do you plan on keeping the weight off once you drop it? Are you exercising at all? How old are you?

I plan on keeping the weight off, but I am not really thinking about that because I feel like I need to lose it first.

I haven't started exercising yet, but I signed up for the gym yesterday and will start working with a trainer too on Thursday (tommorrow)

I am 26

As for my goal, I am thinking 225-230

is that 225-230 pure muscle?

 

[Rudee]

You need to think in terms of fatloss, not weightloss. Weightloss can be anything..... water, muscle.... You need to lose fat. If you continue restricting calories too much you will lose muscle, and for every pound of muscle tissue you lose you will lower your metabolism a percentage. Once you start eating 'normally' again, your lowered metabolism will cause you to rebound and put on weight even faster than before. This is what's called yo-yo dieting and it's quite stressful on the body. Eventually you will have such a buggered up metabolism that you will find it very difficult to lose anything. Kudos for the effort though.

 

[EmperorIQ]

Originally posted by: MrChad
Nice job on your progress, but is this type of diet healthy and sustainable? Most of the literature I've read states that healthy sustainable weight loss should be no more than 2 pounds per week.

I've also read that healthy sustainable weight loss should be no more than 2 pounds per week, but I also remember reading before that it can be more for people who are significantly overweight. but 10 lbs a week, i'm not sure. 410 is a lot (no offense) so maybe 10lbs a week isn't that bad?

I remember when I was losing weight, and when I tell girls my stats, they say "i hate it that you can lose more weight than me" so I tell them. "gain 100 pounds and see if you can lose weight just as fast, i bet you can." haha.

 

[jakedeez]

Originally posted by: Jehovah

Originally posted by: edro
Eating ~1000 calories a day is not a diet... it's starvation. There is no way you will be able to continue that for any extended period of time.

It is good to get your started, but at your weight, you need to be eating at least 3000 calories a day.

It sounds like as the OP makes progress, the testers grant him more and more food . . ..

Anyhow, back on topic - congrats, and we (since some others have said this) wish you the best in the endeavor! Let us know how it's going!

Thanks and I will!

Originally posted by: Glavinsolo
How are you doing on the liquids? Are you keeping to the water only? If you have an office job ask if you can bring in a 2.5gal jug and plop that on your desk and get some dixie cups. For those who drink soda, switching to a water only will allow you to lose a quick 2-5lbs. I drink water and wine, beats everything else imo. Do they give you any fish oil for omega-3 supplement, or is that what flax seeds are for? Good Luck man, its going to be a difficult next 2 years but if you get down to ~220 before you are 30 you should be well off in health.

Yeah that is what the flax seed is for (I think)

And yeah, its tough, and goign to be a tough few years, but it is actually getting alot easier then it was at first. As for the water, yeah, I never did drink much other then diet soda, and occasinal juice (and lots of beer) - but its no problem for me. I can still drink as much diet soda and other non-caloric beverages as I want, but I have to ALSO drink 1 gallon of water per day... Crystal light is actually something I am drinking alot of these days...

Originally posted by: kyzen
Great job!

I'm really curious about the transition back to food. I currently weigh in at 230ish (varies by up to 4 pounds every few days), and would like to cut that down to 180ish. Not sure if this diet is for me; but it's still interesting.

No, I don't think it sounds quite like the right one for you.

I will post more tonight about the differnt phases when I can scan the info at home.

 

[Howard]

Get ready for Fat Bastard skin.

 

[Adica]

Congratulations and keep up the good work. When (not if) you reach your goal, it would be nice to see some pics of the new you! Please keep updating!:thumbsup:

 

[mugs]

Wow... good luck OP :thumbsup: