Yea, I tend to agree although way back in '74 I got hold of some REAL "Acapulco gold" it was 10X stronger than the typical pot going around at that time, after smoking a pin joint it felt like my legs were disconnected but I didn't panic, I knew in 2 hours I would come down a little and be OK. Then in '82 a friend of mine was cutting through some wooded area and spotted someone's 20 plant grow gig, they were all mature so he stole every one, we then made pot brownies, pot tea, and smoked all the tops. Afterwards we went to see "Heavy Metal", my eyes were so red they were like Georgia road maps, the ticket -taker kept staring at me LOL, perfect movie for that deal..
Yea, I tend to agree although way back in '74 I got hold of some REAL "Acapulco gold" it was 10X stronger than the typical pot going around at that time, after smoking a pin joint it felt like my legs were disconnected but I didn't panic, I knew in 2 hours I would come down a little and be OK. Then in '82 a friend of mine was cutting through some wooded area and spotted someone's 20 plant grow gig, they were all mature so he stole every one, we then made pot brownies, pot tea, and smoked all the tops. Afterwards we went to see "Heavy Metal", my eyes were so red they were like Georgia road maps, the ticket -taker kept staring at me LOL, perfect movie for that deal..
I'll just leave this right here.
http://www.theonion.com/video/new-marijuana-study-says-everyone-knows-youre-high,35386/
It's too bad they are dead, but face it, your side is going to lose. There is money coming in now and you stuffy folk are going to have to realize that legalization is going to happen in more and more states because money talks.
If you need another example of the morally righteous losing ground, take a look at how many states are allowing gambling and loosening liquor laws.
So no, "you people" need to take a step back and realize as more elderly kick the bucket, your morality legislation is going to continue to erode.
BudAshes
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mnewsham
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this
don't fuck with another mans plants... At most I would have taken a nug since it was matured and ready. but I would never have taken more than a few grams...
Vic
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njdevilsfan87
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Not everyone reacts the same. Look up depersonalization disorder and its link to MJ. People that are more prone to it can have it brought out under the influence. That may be what happened to me that night.
With that said, it is impossible to physically OD on weed. I know that. But mentally is a completely different thing and everyone's results will vary. But, you have to take a stupid amount to get that point. As an undergrad I smoked plenty of times, and never had such an episode. It was that one single time where I just "brute forced it" because I wanted to see what it was like. Never again.
From what the story tells from the original post tells, those people took a stupid amount maybe even far more than what I did that one night.
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1sikbITCH
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If it were not such a sad story, it might almost be funny...but its not. Weed is a dangerous drug and can drive people insane. We must stop the stupidity and madness before it spreads beyond the hippie states.
Im just raising awareness and adding my voice to the growing chorus of people opposed to legalization efforts. Im afraid that lazy, loafing potheads are on the move right now and must be stopped in their tracks before they can do more damage to our fine society.
You're smashing your head against the wall for no reason. Nobody cares.
Choking on flying bugs kills more people for crying out loud. Complain about something that matters FFS.
Yea, he was more of an "acquaintance" than friend, a co-worked lived in the same apt. complex with him but there he was, trash-bag full of plants, we went to work immediately "processing" them..
zanejohnson
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what probably happened is that dude smoked some killer bud and his wife had the attitude of "felixdacat" and bitched and moaned and refused to go pick him up a pizza............
so he did the only logical thing.
so he did the only logical thing.
flexy
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By pure coincidence I planned to make a thread the last two days, topic something like "Weed - The Devil's Drug", something like that.
What brought on the idea was initially a video I came across on LL where they showed this one guy having a panic attack on "dabs" as well as my own experiences with weed A LONG, LONG time ago. (Will get to that later).
This thread just comes very convenient, along with some of the experiences here.
After I found the video on LL I also did some more research about "bad weed trips" and came along some more astonishing things. Ok, let's start from the beginning.
It was a few weeks ago where I actually read in the news of two confimed deaths which were attributed to heart-attacks after weed consumption. So in other words, THOSE deaths mentioned here in the thread are not the first ones - there is a REAL, although possibly remote danger that people who had "large amounts" of weed CAN die. FACT.
My own experience:
It is a long time ago, 25 something years, when I didn't say no to hashish/weed. We had "those friends" and I generally hung out with people you would call "alternative people", stoners, hippies, musicians etc. Everyone smoked.
One day I was home alone and I remember I made a very tiny weed cigarette. (Note that my experiences back than were mostly Hashish since hashish in Europe is/was way more common than "grass". My hashish experiences were all "pretty good" and there was hardly any negative effects as far as I recall).
This day where I made that tiny weed cigarette I remember I didn't even smoke that much since I normally am rather careful and not the type who would mindlessly "overdo" it or willingly risk something.
Shortly after I too a few puffs a really bad panic set in, heart started to race etc...the typical "weed panic" which I read on the net a lot of times now already. It was a really, really bad experience where at some point I also considered to call an ambulance, but I guess the dosage was so SMALL (I think) that the panic thankfully didn't last too long. So or so, even given the very small amount of what I smoked the experience was so bad I didn't smoke EVER again. I had plenty (!) of opportunities to smoke ever since but I am constantly kindly rejecting the offers.
In my "research" the last couple of days I came across some "bad weed trip" stories which make my bad experience pale in comparison.
In fact, I was surprised to learn my OWN experience where I freaked on weed 25 years ago was not an exception, that indeed many people had sometimes even worse experiences...AND NOT ALWAYS PEOPLE WHO ARE NEW TO SMOKING!!
I read stories of people who used to smoke up for years, almost daily, and then for some reason had a very bad "trip" with all the symptoms I mentioned and often a lot worse.
Many were convinced they were about to die or having an heart-attack, some DID in fact call ambulances etc.etc..
I read about a nurse (!!) who on one site stated she personally knows about 25 cases where weed turned people permanently into schizoid cases or at least triggered serious psychotic episodes which can often flare-up and have a deep negative impact on people's lives.
I read about people who were so high/paranoid they considered killing themselves just so the "trip" would be over, stuff like that.
People saying "you cannot OD on weed"....so what about those cases of deaths and the other cases I mentioned earlier where medical professionals concluded that the two people died from heart-failure from weed.
IT IS CORRECT that as with anything else, it's about the amount..and that "possibly" weed in moderation is no problem.
The PROBLEM is rather that it is not always easy to moderate the intake of weed/THC since you do not know what you're getting. 25 years ago, at least where I am coming from, there was no such thing as "dabs" or super-pure weed or hash-oil etc. which is many times more potent than what stoners took decades ago.
In my experience and with the friends we hung out with, weed was always seen as a "harmless" drug which is "so much better and beneficial" as compared to alcohol, let alone harder drugs. Heck I knew people who would NEVER smoke tobacco and kept smoking weed/hash whenever they could.
IMHO, it is as "harmless" as any other hallucinogen or drug, it is not "better" than alcohol or all the other myths I had to listen to.
We now have the government in some states in your country legalizing weed which I am extremely opposed to, even with otherwise very liberal stance on other issues.
I could now list many, many first-hands stories where people had really bad experiences on weed/hash etc. including where many of them also said after their experiences they actually finally understood WHY it is actually illegal.
I think it's bizarre to see people from allover coming to Colorado to get MJ "for medical reason" (what a crock of BS....medical reasons..)....and it is sanctioned now and again seen as the "better and healthier" alternative. This is unbelievable, imho.
What brought on the idea was initially a video I came across on LL where they showed this one guy having a panic attack on "dabs" as well as my own experiences with weed A LONG, LONG time ago. (Will get to that later).
This thread just comes very convenient, along with some of the experiences here.
After I found the video on LL I also did some more research about "bad weed trips" and came along some more astonishing things. Ok, let's start from the beginning.
It was a few weeks ago where I actually read in the news of two confimed deaths which were attributed to heart-attacks after weed consumption. So in other words, THOSE deaths mentioned here in the thread are not the first ones - there is a REAL, although possibly remote danger that people who had "large amounts" of weed CAN die. FACT.
My own experience:
It is a long time ago, 25 something years, when I didn't say no to hashish/weed. We had "those friends" and I generally hung out with people you would call "alternative people", stoners, hippies, musicians etc. Everyone smoked.
One day I was home alone and I remember I made a very tiny weed cigarette. (Note that my experiences back than were mostly Hashish since hashish in Europe is/was way more common than "grass". My hashish experiences were all "pretty good" and there was hardly any negative effects as far as I recall).
This day where I made that tiny weed cigarette I remember I didn't even smoke that much since I normally am rather careful and not the type who would mindlessly "overdo" it or willingly risk something.
Shortly after I too a few puffs a really bad panic set in, heart started to race etc...the typical "weed panic" which I read on the net a lot of times now already. It was a really, really bad experience where at some point I also considered to call an ambulance, but I guess the dosage was so SMALL (I think) that the panic thankfully didn't last too long. So or so, even given the very small amount of what I smoked the experience was so bad I didn't smoke EVER again. I had plenty (!) of opportunities to smoke ever since but I am constantly kindly rejecting the offers.
In my "research" the last couple of days I came across some "bad weed trip" stories which make my bad experience pale in comparison.
In fact, I was surprised to learn my OWN experience where I freaked on weed 25 years ago was not an exception, that indeed many people had sometimes even worse experiences...AND NOT ALWAYS PEOPLE WHO ARE NEW TO SMOKING!!
I read stories of people who used to smoke up for years, almost daily, and then for some reason had a very bad "trip" with all the symptoms I mentioned and often a lot worse.
Many were convinced they were about to die or having an heart-attack, some DID in fact call ambulances etc.etc..
I read about a nurse (!!) who on one site stated she personally knows about 25 cases where weed turned people permanently into schizoid cases or at least triggered serious psychotic episodes which can often flare-up and have a deep negative impact on people's lives.
I read about people who were so high/paranoid they considered killing themselves just so the "trip" would be over, stuff like that.
People saying "you cannot OD on weed"....so what about those cases of deaths and the other cases I mentioned earlier where medical professionals concluded that the two people died from heart-failure from weed.
IT IS CORRECT that as with anything else, it's about the amount..and that "possibly" weed in moderation is no problem.
The PROBLEM is rather that it is not always easy to moderate the intake of weed/THC since you do not know what you're getting. 25 years ago, at least where I am coming from, there was no such thing as "dabs" or super-pure weed or hash-oil etc. which is many times more potent than what stoners took decades ago.
In my experience and with the friends we hung out with, weed was always seen as a "harmless" drug which is "so much better and beneficial" as compared to alcohol, let alone harder drugs. Heck I knew people who would NEVER smoke tobacco and kept smoking weed/hash whenever they could.
IMHO, it is as "harmless" as any other hallucinogen or drug, it is not "better" than alcohol or all the other myths I had to listen to.
We now have the government in some states in your country legalizing weed which I am extremely opposed to, even with otherwise very liberal stance on other issues.
I could now list many, many first-hands stories where people had really bad experiences on weed/hash etc. including where many of them also said after their experiences they actually finally understood WHY it is actually illegal.
I think it's bizarre to see people from allover coming to Colorado to get MJ "for medical reason" (what a crock of BS....medical reasons..)....and it is sanctioned now and again seen as the "better and healthier" alternative. This is unbelievable, imho.
crashtech
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Many psychoactive drugs can reveal an underlying mental imbalance. Even a relatively innocuous medication like Benadryl can produce acute psychiatric reactions in a limited number of people.
It's estimated that at least 98,000 people die every year from medical mistakes, and perhaps as many as 440,000. I'm sure a great number of these are due to adverse reactions to medications. Yet oddly, the do-gooders are not breathing down the necks of doctors. That's because they care more about imposing their version of morality down people's throats than than they do about the safety of their fellow citizens.
It's estimated that at least 98,000 people die every year from medical mistakes, and perhaps as many as 440,000. I'm sure a great number of these are due to adverse reactions to medications. Yet oddly, the do-gooders are not breathing down the necks of doctors. That's because they care more about imposing their version of morality down people's throats than than they do about the safety of their fellow citizens.
mnewsham
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Ruptga
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Has anyone else seconded this motion yet? OP is a retard troll (and you can take that either way and still be ok). While his constant blatant disregard of reality is occasionally funny I find it tiresome. He's like that one racist uncle at the family reunion; at first we laugh as we roll our eyes, then people just try to avoid him, but at some point it's all we can do to pretend to be civil with such an inhuman human.
norseamd
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flexy
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I don't need a "mental imbalance" if I smoke weed and my heart rate suddenly goes up to 240 or higher. Panicking there would be VERY, VERY natural...and I hate to say it..especially now since we know about the first few confirmed weed deaths. (Which, mildly spoken, would not exactly help to calm down someone on weed panic/paranoia).
From what I read, this panic/paranoia is experienced by many, depending on circumstance. (Dosage, how pure the cannabis whatever). It CAN happen and it does happen and does NOT mean the one experiencing it is some looney with some pre-existing condition. Please.
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flexy
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Why is that? Because he mentions something which is rather inconvenient to hear?
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norseamd
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That's always been the problem with street drugs is they are "cut" so much, everyone who handles it from the top on down adds "cut" to vastly increase profit and most could give a rat's ass what side effects it has, it's all about the $$
Let me put all this in a nutshell for you, if your trying out a new stash keep it down to 1-2 puffs then wait 15 minutes and see how much it "creeps" up on you, just because YOU didn't know how to use it doesn't mean OTHERS don't.
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