I couldn't have put it more perfectly myself.
If you don't want to wear a seatbelt, then don't. Just don't bitch about it when you get a ticket.
Originally posted by: PC166
I believe that as long as others don't force it upon on me, it is fine. but the majority seem to alway shove thing down everyone else's throat because of few who died without seatbelt. who care, it's their life not yours. and they wouldnt surivive anyway because of the head on collision. The cops pull people over occasionally for not wearing seatbelt this imo is silly. I have gotten into a few wrecks, no seatbelt and no harm whatsoever thought the car is seriously trashed lol. If you can't stop everyone from smoking and drinking i dont' see how you can all to wear seatbelt because of hippos. I have been reminded by some nosy folk driving along the road pull his seatbelt out just to show how proud he is wearing one and how safe he feel. This was like 10 years ago, till this day I am still laughing my heads off. Remember, a good driver is one who is cautious, not one who is reckless with a seatbelt because he think he cannot be killed regardless even if say direct hit head on collision at 60 mph. Defensive driving is key to safety. Wearing a seatbelt should not make you feel much safer then not wearing one, again the key is to have fast reaction and avoid it at all cost. Even if you have to go off road or slide over to the next lane because some dumbo had just jammed his break on you. Also it just look impressive to the majority, look ma no seatbelt cool right?you bet I am.
Thank you for your input, I think I will go add some chlorine to the gene pool now. Also, can we get a round of applause for the soon to be inductee to the Darwin Awards? Natural selection at its best baby.
pyonir
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it has? i just looked through the entire thread again and i found only your post claiming that insurance companies would reduce premiums if seat belt laws were passed. regardless, i have never seen, nor heard that this is the case. i would agree that insurance companies have a LOT to do with getting the law passed, but i have seen no evidence that they claimed they would reduce rates.
(on a side note, my topaz had automatic safety belts, and i got a lowered premium because of it.)
Here in Florida it is a big deal, the FHP is running a campaign now called Click it or Ticket. It is a primary offense not to where your seatbelt, so they can and are pulling people over and issuing tickets for EACH person un-buckled in the car, including Parents, children, drivers, passengers, what ever you are you are buckled up. I just heard on the news like 5 minutes ago that they were pulling people over and someone got a $450 ticket for no one in there car being buckled up.
apoppin
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Believe it or not, there was a time when it was optional. And as it stands now, only insurance to pay for the other guy is required.
I believe that financial responsibility is a necessity. However, that should be the responsibility of the driver, not the state. If the driver does not have insurance, he should be forced to give up what ever possessions he has until the responsibility is met.
Mandating insurance simply makes the insurance companies rich.
Bignate603
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Usually if I'm sitting in a car my seatbelt is on even if the engine isn't running. Yes, a seatbelt does make me feel safer, but the seatbelt wasn't invented to make drivers/passengers feel safer.
I'd like to see insurance companies not cover drivers who don't use their seatbelts in the event that they need medical treatment. Why should they have to pay the 5 day hospital bill when you could have been out in one day had you worn a seatbelt. If you don't care about your safety neither do I. I shouldn't have to pay for your stupidity, however.
I'm against any legislation that isn't necessary, but this seems more like an issue of common sense. Defensive driving has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion - accidents happen.
I'd like to see insurance companies not cover drivers who don't use their seatbelts in the event that they need medical treatment. Why should they have to pay the 5 day hospital bill when you could have been out in one day had you worn a seatbelt. If you don't care about your safety neither do I. I shouldn't have to pay for your stupidity, however.
I'm against any legislation that isn't necessary, but this seems more like an issue of common sense. Defensive driving has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion - accidents happen.
My friend died because none of them had seatbelt. Only the driver survived but he was seriously injured, mouth, nose all crushed to nothing he was still giggling from it when I met him and he did not go to jail for it even thought it was his fault. that was back in the school day so i glad i had seatbelt on all time so this will not happen to me as well and still glad to be alive till theseday.
he was still giggling from it when I met him and he did not go to jail for it even thought it was his fault. that was back in the school day so i glad i had seatbelt on all time so this will not happen to me as well and still glad to be alive till theseday. Seatbelts also keep you in your seat during emergency maneuvers... so you have a better chance of avoiding the accident and not hitting the people around you (which obviously affects them).
Pyonir.
i haven't read the whole thread so i can't comment on the lowered premium claim. but here's is the truth. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that if seatbelt laws were enacted then costs to insurance companies will go down. so w/o seat belt laws there is a certain chance that i'll be in a fatal accident and my premiums are based on those odds. if a seatbelt law is enacted that chance goes down. now if this is true then the cost of the insurance premium should be lowered.
once again the question is asked has that ever happened before?
Your eg of the topaz is appropriate. but that's an easy one to see. has anyone ever gone to an insurance company and asked if their rates were lowered because of the seatbelt laws?
:Q
once you use a seatbelt for a long time, it comes naturally , like breathing...
and you need oxygen to live.
once you use a seatbelt for a long time, it comes naturally , like breathing...
and you need oxygen to live.
apoppin
Lifer
Since financial responsibility is a necessity . . . and something that can be mandated in a democratic society (remember "majority rules"). weaing seatbelts can ALSO be mandated by this same reasoning.
If you choose not to obey the law, accept the consequences if you are caught (in an accident or by police),
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Originally posted by: Lucky
Wheee!! Another moron who blindly believes seatbelts can save your life in all accidents.
WTF, just point where I said that. :| Ooopps, no you cant. Maybe you should read the entire post and then think about it. Just because I posted that if you don't (key word there) wear a seatbelt you'll get hurt, doesn't mean I automatically believe the converse (in that you wont get hurt if you do wear one - just so I make myself clear Because I don't believe that you wont get hurt!). If you're gonna bash me, at least do it with reason. Rather than automatic assumption that I believe in something which I didn't say. That's your mistake.
Let's face it. The people who don't want to wear seatbelts are the people who let their animal urge for maximum civil rights override their common sense. That's it. There is NO argument that can be made for NOT wearing your seat belt, other than your precious right to launch your ass through your windshield.
Like the man up there said, his wife's ex-husband is in his trunk. Think about it.
Like the man up there said, his wife's ex-husband is in his trunk. Think about it.
Seatbelts eh, always fun.
Kids: Should be a primary offense in all states and treated with the same severity as a DUI.
Adults: Should be neither a primary or secondary offense. It's your choice. Other safety equipment is to protect the other motorists and bystanders you may run into. Seatbelts (and airbags) are to protect you. Therefore while speeding is an offense I agree with, disabling lights I agree with, failure to signal even (pet peeve of mine anyway), but not seatbelts. Of course the driver of the car has the ultimate vote as many here have said.
As for the arguement that it costs others, liberty was never intended to be free. We can play slippery slope all day on this, but in the end it comes back to the physical damage done being to the person making the choice about the seatbelt. Same with helmet laws. And smoking. And eating at McDonalds. And rollerblading with hippos.
*click*
--Mc
Kids: Should be a primary offense in all states and treated with the same severity as a DUI.
Adults: Should be neither a primary or secondary offense. It's your choice. Other safety equipment is to protect the other motorists and bystanders you may run into. Seatbelts (and airbags) are to protect you. Therefore while speeding is an offense I agree with, disabling lights I agree with, failure to signal even (pet peeve of mine anyway), but not seatbelts. Of course the driver of the car has the ultimate vote as many here have said.
As for the arguement that it costs others, liberty was never intended to be free. We can play slippery slope all day on this, but in the end it comes back to the physical damage done being to the person making the choice about the seatbelt. Same with helmet laws. And smoking. And eating at McDonalds. And rollerblading with hippos.
*click*
--Mc
I don't understand why anyone would not wear a seatbelt! Maybe this is because i live in Australia where seatbelts are compulsory. To me, putting on a seatbelt is a automatic process, I don't even think about it. Airbags are designed to be a SRS (Suplimentary restraint system) and work IN CONJUNCTION with seatbelts. In a colision, a unrestrained occupent can not only risk killing themselves, but also become a potential missile in the vehicle, injuring other passengers. I mean, would anyone not wear a seatbelt in a aeroplane on take off or landing, or when travelling through heavy turbulance????
I see reading statistics and understanding where they come from are not one of yer strongpoints.
In MI it's a primary offense not to wear one. But it's a joke. I've gone w/o my seatbelt hundreds of times in plane sight of the cops and they do nothing. I also think seatbelt laws are another example of the Nanny State wanting to run our lives. These are the same ppl who want to outlaw smoking and drinking, and who want to tax pop and junk food.
I don't think we need govt telling us what to do to be safe. We are all adults here, not little kids. I resent the govt treating me like a child and telling me to buckle up, eat healthy, avoid smoking or I'll be penalized. This nation was based on the individual's right to choose their own lifestyle. Now that freedom is going down the toilet. Wearing a belt should be a matter of choice, not a matter of law.
I don't think we need govt telling us what to do to be safe. We are all adults here, not little kids. I resent the govt treating me like a child and telling me to buckle up, eat healthy, avoid smoking or I'll be penalized. This nation was based on the individual's right to choose their own lifestyle. Now that freedom is going down the toilet. Wearing a belt should be a matter of choice, not a matter of law.
Originally posted by: PC166
I believe that as long as others don't force it upon on me, it is fine. but the majority seem to alway shove thing down everyone else's throat because of few who died without seatbelt. who care, it's their life not yours. and they wouldnt surivive anyway because of the head on collision. The cops pull people over occasionally for not wearing seatbelt this imo is silly. I have gotten into a few wrecks, no seatbelt and no harm whatsoever thought the car is seriously trashed lol. If you can't stop everyone from smoking and drinking i dont' see how you can all to wear seatbelt because of hippos. I have been reminded by some nosy folk driving along the road pull his seatbelt out just to show how proud he is wearing one and how safe he feel. This was like 10 years ago, till this day I am still laughing my heads off. Remember, a good driver is one who is cautious, not one who is reckless with a seatbelt because he think he cannot be killed regardless even if say direct hit head on collision at 60 mph. Defensive driving is key to safety. Wearing a seatbelt should not make you feel much safer then not wearing one, again the key is to have fast reaction and avoid it at all cost. Even if you have to go off road or slide over to the next lane because some dumbo had just jammed his break on you. Also it just look impressive to the majority, look ma no seatbelt cool right?
Hippos, haha. Don't wear one then. You will be crying out your Mommas name while they try and dig you out of the dash.
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