Wearing A Mask: Now a Cultist Following

[Muse]

I credit the Gov, as he's neither an idiot or a cult member.

We really have to stop electing stupid people and people who capitalize on the ignorance of the electorate.

 

[weblooker2021]

How to you know these things? Answer:

You do not know these things, you are talking out your ass.

California kept their mask requirement for extra months and they had much higher vaccination rate compare to rest of us and dropped the requirement. No one is checking to make sure people is vaccinated which is who can go without a mask. If politically it was too much for California to keep the mask, other states will not even try.

CDC dropped the mask in order to get vaccination rate higher, if they to go back on their recommendation, it will be like saying vaccine do not work. Public at that point will just ignore them completely and any trust they still have will be lost.

The only way mask/social distancing is coming back is if we have people dropping dead on the street and/or hospital being overwhelmed and that is highly unlikely to happen. D variance is like a flu you get after you gotten your flu vaccine. It will last for few days and it's gone.

 

[Muse]

California kept their mask requirement for extra months and they had much higher vaccination rate compare to rest of us and dropped the requirement. No one is checking to make sure people is vaccinated which is who can go without a mask. If politically it was too much for California to keep the mask, other states will not even try.

Straight out your ass.

CDC dropped the mask in order to get vaccination rate higher, if they to go back on their recommendation, it will be like saying vaccine do not work. Public at that point will just ignore them completely and any trust they still have will be lost.

What kind of bullshit is that? If the CDC says wear a mask at some point, you better believe I will and figure they have damn good reasons for making their recommendations. The woman heading up the CDC right now comes off as highly competent. Why you project mass attitudes about these things is your problem.

The only way mask/social distancing is coming back is if we have people dropping dead on the street and/or hospital being overwhelmed and that is highly unlikely to happen. D variance is like a flu you get after you gotten your flu vaccine. It will last for few days and it's gone.

You clearly don't know shit. I don't know what your sources are, but clearly you're deceived and ignorant.

 

[zinfamous]

Is Delta Variant overriding vaccination and taking us back to square one?

no

 

[ondma]

WHO recommendation is meaningless as no one is going to follow it in US. CDC will not recommend people wear mask again as politically it's non starter. For all sens and purpose both social distancing and mask mandate is over and unless we start having body dropping dead on the street, we will never have it again.

Those that want to wear a mask will absolute do it and the rest will go on with their life including those that are not vaccinated.

Pretty sad commentary of the state of our country and the division and science denying that Trump sowed, isn't it?

 

[zinfamous]

Well, I think I am just going to start beating the shit out of people who won't wear masks when required, vaccinated or not. I lost my brother yesterday to Covid, who we couldn't even see till the very end. Unfortunately, he was never able to take the vaccine because of medical reasons. So right now people who don't want to wear masks that should, those that can, but chose not to be vaccinated, people who sit and spread the bullshit lies like someonesmind and such, and knowing most of this could have been avoided, I really just want to take my hurt, pain and anger out on right now and beat them to a bloody pulp. And I would have no sympathy for the motherfucker as they lay there in their own pool of blood taking their last breath. And Trump, I would have zero sympathy if that fucker fell into a tub of acid and died the most painful death imaginable. Politics have no place in a health crisis! Fuck them all.. yeah, I'm not in a good place right now.. I pity the poor bastard that says the wrong thing to me at this time.

sorry to hear that, and I also understand and respect the anger. I, too, wouldn't really mind if such people experience a bloody, painful, lonely death for the selfishness that consumes them and, hopefully, in the end, will be their end.

 

[ondma]

So did I, just this past year for my son. It cost me almost $50.
That isn't a lot of money, to many people.
To low-income folks living paycheck to paycheck, week to week, it's more than, "a few dollars".
It IS a bar, just like a high fee for an identification card would be.

I am truly sorry to hear about your loss.

Makes it frustrating af when people everywhere act (and have been for some time, mind you) like it's all over and "nothing to worry about", meanwhile people ARE still being infected and dying, and variant spread is still increasing.

I think it cost me less than 20 bucks for two copies. I am sure it varies from state to state.

 

[weblooker2021]

Straight out your ass.

What kind of bullshit is that? If the CDC says wear a mask at some point, you better believe I will and figure they have damn good reasons for making their recommendations. The woman heading up the CDC right now comes off as highly competent. Why you project mass attitudes about these things is your problem.
You clearly don't know shit. I don't know what your sources are, but clearly you're deceived and ignorant.

CDC recommends that unvaccinated continue to wear a mask. Is that happening? For the most part no. In California Newsom is facing recall mostly as result of Covid measures he took. If mask requirement/social distancing is to come back, eating inside restaurant will need to be stopped again which is not going to happen. While you will listen to CDC and wear a mask, that is different from government re-instituting mask requirement.

What Israel was able to do and is able to do, what government in Europe is able to do is something that for the most part US government can't do. We do not have Covid passport and never will, we never did real lockdown for Covid . Our 12+ vaccination rate is around 65% and it's not really improving much at this point. Those that wanted to to get vaccinated already did and the rest don't give a crap what government says. That is the reality.

Come Fall/Winter, we will have a surge mainly in states that got low vaccinated rate and despite that there will not be any new measures of social distancing, mask wearing etc.

 

[ondma]

Not really, Pfizer and Moderna handle it well, though the best vaccine at this point appears to be Novavax out of Maryland. I believe it is the strongest protection against covid and covid variants at this time. I don't believe it's built with messenger RNA, pretty sure I read somewhere it uses the same technique as the pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine. Super effective, hope I can get that for my kids.

Red states with their heads up their asses, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Missouri, Arkansas, Tennessee, others, the delta variant is really going to surge back there. I won't be surprised if deaths skyrocket. And I'm sure they'll find a way to blame Joe Biden, BLM, AOC and the dreaded "leftists" for their politically motivated denial, complacency. My heart goes out to the good people stuck in those shitty states trying to do right by their neighbors, who receive abuse and ridicule for it.

Meanwhile, we hit 81% vaccinated in VT. Still a little amazed, plenty of rednecks up here after all. I credit the Gov, as he's neither an idiot or a cult member.

Yea, so far the vaccines are effective against the delta variant. That said, the delta variant is transmitted more easily, so it takes a higher vaccination rate to obtain herd immunity. Plus as long as infections are still going on we risk new variants which may evade the current vaccines.

 

[MichaelMay]

no

Not to square one but there is some evidence that Sinopharm (the Chinesium vaccine) is only ~50% effective against the delta variant. I don't know about AZ or Jansens but the mRNA should be about as effective against the delta variant as all other variants.

 

[MichaelMay]

Well, I think I am just going to start beating the shit out of people who won't wear masks when required, vaccinated or not. I lost my brother yesterday to Covid, who we couldn't even see till the very end. Unfortunately, he was never able to take the vaccine because of medical reasons. So right now people who don't want to wear masks that should, those that can, but chose not to be vaccinated, people who sit and spread the bullshit lies like someonesmind and such, and knowing most of this could have been avoided, I really just want to take my hurt, pain and anger out on right now and beat them to a bloody pulp. And I would have no sympathy for the motherfucker as they lay there in their own pool of blood taking their last breath. And Trump, I would have zero sympathy if that fucker fell into a tub of acid and died the most painful death imaginable. Politics have no place in a health crisis! Fuck them all.. yeah, I'm not in a good place right now.. I pity the poor bastard that says the wrong thing to me at this time.

I am so sorry for your loss and you are so very right, politics shouldn't play any part other than being the enforcer of the medical recommendations.

 

[Pohemi]

California kept their mask requirement for extra months and they had much higher vaccination rate compare to rest of us and dropped the requirement. No one is checking to make sure people is vaccinated which is who can go without a mask. If politically it was too much for California to keep the mask, other states will not even try.

CDC dropped the mask in order to get vaccination rate higher, if they to go back on their recommendation, it will be like saying vaccine do not work. Public at that point will just ignore them completely and any trust they still have will be lost.

You keep pushing this idea that everything that's happened at any point in the past year and a half related to COVID has been purely political and nothing based on science or valid medical recommendations.

Stop wasting my oxygen, dumbass.

 

[weblooker2021]

You keep pushing this idea that everything that's happened at any point in the past year and a half related to COVID has been purely political and nothing based on science or valid medical recommendations.

Stop wasting my oxygen, dumbass.

No it was base on science except science at this point went out of the window. It made sense to keep mask wearing until herd immunity is reached, that didn't happen because of politics. Social distancing got dropped because of politics, with D variant it make sense to wear a mask like WHO is recommending, yet there is not a word coming out from CDC saying that should happen. Fauci or anyone else have yet to says a word that they recommend wearing mask for those that is vaccinated despite CDC saying vaccinate can get sick . link

What i am posting is political reality which at this point is more important compare to science as politics will make the ultimate choice on what will happen.

 

[MichaelMay]

No it was base on science except science at this point went out of the window. It made sense to keep mask wearing until herd immunity is reached, that didn't happen because of politics. Social distancing got dropped because of politics, with D variant it make sense to wear a mask like WHO is recommending, yet there is not a word coming out from CDC saying that should happen. Fauci or anyone else have yet to says a word that they recommend wearing mask for those that is vaccinated despite CDC saying vaccinate can get sick . link

What i am posting is political reality which at this point is more important compare to science as politics will make the ultimate choice on what will happen.

Um.... It's been known since before the first SARS-CoV-2 vaccine was made that NO vaccine is 100% effective so OF FUCKING COURSE some vaccinated can still get sick.

That isn't the point of herd immunity, the point is to eliminate the virus.

 

[weblooker2021]

Um.... It's been known since before the first SARS-CoV-2 vaccine was made that NO vaccine is 100% effective so OF FUCKING COURSE some vaccinated can still get sick.

That isn't the point of herd immunity, the point is to eliminate the virus.

You will never eliminate the virus, at this point that is wishful thinking. Covid will be endemic, world reacted too slow, took too little action etc.

 

[Pohemi]

No it was base on science except science at this point went out of the window.

Says who? You, the dipshit who keeps denying science? LOL

Covid will be endemic, world reacted too slow, took too little action etc.

Gee, I wonder why that's happened?
The millions of fucking idiots just like you are not helping. Refusing to get vaccinated, refusing to mask up, refusing to social distance to protect anyone else, refusing scientific reality or being honest in even debating the topic.

Yeah...real "mystery" why it's still spreading.

 

[Commodus]

Gee, I wonder why that's happened?
The millions of fucking idiots just like you are not helping. Refusing to get vaccinated, refusing to mask up, refusing to social distance to protect anyone else, refusing scientific reality or being honest in even debating the topic.

Yeah...real "mystery" why it's still spreading.

To be fair, it would've been difficult to completely eradicate the virus even if we did everything right. It took decades of concerted vaccination campaigns to eradicate smallpox, even though virtually everyone was onboard with the idea.

 

[Pohemi]

To be fair, it would've been difficult to completely eradicate the virus even if we did everything right. It took decades of concerted vaccination campaigns to eradicate smallpox, even though virtually everyone was onboard with the idea.

This is very true, but I'm not claiming that eradication was possible if we had reacted quickly/strongly enough within the first year.

My comment to him was meant to be dismissive of his apparent notion of, "well we didn't do a good/fast enough job, so fuggit why bother? Too late now, etc etc."

Of course he fails to mention how most of the delaying tactics, feet-dragging, disinformation, etc was intentional, or acknowledge the role that imbeciles like him played in fucking up the response.

 

[fskimospy]

CDC recommends that unvaccinated continue to wear a mask. Is that happening? For the most part no. In California Newsom is facing recall mostly as result of Covid measures he took. If mask requirement/social distancing is to come back, eating inside restaurant will need to be stopped again which is not going to happen. While you will listen to CDC and wear a mask, that is different from government re-instituting mask requirement.

What Israel was able to do and is able to do, what government in Europe is able to do is something that for the most part US government can't do. We do not have Covid passport and never will, we never did real lockdown for Covid . Our 12+ vaccination rate is around 65% and it's not really improving much at this point. Those that wanted to to get vaccinated already did and the rest don't give a crap what government says. That is the reality.

Come Fall/Winter, we will have a surge mainly in states that got low vaccinated rate and despite that there will not be any new measures of social distancing, mask wearing etc.

Newsom is not facing recall because of COVID measures, he’s facing recall because the bar to institute one is extremely low and Republicans figure it’s worth a shot because they can’t win the governorship any other way anymore.

Newsom’s approval is nearly 60%, and the recall will be a blowout in his favor.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Thanks guys for the sympathy., and condolences. It's a difficult time, and hard to watch your parents (77 years old and 76 years old) go thru the pain of outliving your children. I'm hurting, and it's even more so for them. It doesn't help my brother was not married at the time (he was divorced) and didn't have any children, there is a lot of stuff they have to deal with until they officially pass those responsibilities on to my other brother and I because of how the laws and regulations are. Until they do that my brother and I can't do anything other than help with the funeral. It also doesn't help that 2 years ago tomorrow, my Step Dad of 36 years ago passed away from Cancer. So June has already been a hard time of year for her.. It all just sucks.. But thank you again everyone!

As for politics getting involved, that's just a part. The other part is those American's who think their rights are being taken away when they are being told to Mask up and such, which has zero to do with Politics, has NOTHING to do with rights, but 100% has to do with pure selfishness and stupidity.

 

[weblooker2021]

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As for politics getting involved, that's just a part. The other part is those American's who think their rights are being taken away when they are being told to Mask up and such, which has zero to do with Politics, has NOTHING to do with rights, but 100% has to do with pure selfishness and stupidity.

it have to do with individualism. Lets us forget about any argument about rights and talk about how American society is all about individualism. What was asked of American overnight was to give up thinking about individualism and instead think about group of people. That is not how we been brought up in this country. That is what caused all fights about mask, social distance etc the fact that we are being asked to think about someone else other then just our self.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

it have to do with individualism. Lets us forget about any argument about rights and talk about how American society is all about individualism. What was asked of American overnight was to give up thinking about individualism and instead think about group of people. That is not how we been brought up in this country. That is what caused all fights about mask, social distance etc the fact that we are being asked to think about someone else other then just our self.

Incorrect.

What happened was there was an absolute abhorrently ton of misinformation that came out - including the head-honcho that everyone is supposed to listen and obey - saying that masks weren't needed. See my original post for the full string of looney toons that was the US government's management of this outbreak.

 

[fskimospy]

it have to do with individualism. Lets us forget about any argument about rights and talk about how American society is all about individualism. What was asked of American overnight was to give up thinking about individualism and instead think about group of people. That is not how we been brought up in this country. That is what caused all fights about mask, social distance etc the fact that we are being asked to think about someone else other then just our self.

No, overwhelmingly what caused mask resistance is political polarization. Trump didn’t want to wear a mask because he’s a mentally ill moron. When he was criticized for this it activated partisanship among conservatives and they turned their brains off.

 

[Pohemi]

See my original post for the full string of looney toons that was the US government's management of this outbreak. all of the bullshit and misrepresentation I attempted to construct as a timeline, which didn't actually happen as I potrayed it, because I can never be honest in my posts...

FTFY, dipshit. You're welcome for making at least one of your posts semi-truthful.

That is what caused all fights about mask, social distance etc the fact that we are being asked to think about someone else other then just our self.

So basically, you're just a self-centered twat that doesn't give a shit about anyone outside yourself and your supposed "liberties". Yeah. We know. Go fuck yourself.

 

[Muse]

In California Newsom is facing recall mostly as result of Covid measures he took.

No, Newsom is facing recall because that's what Republicans do here, they have so little political clout they can't even land a single state level non-district political office. They nip at the heals of the Democrats who fill those positions. The creeps who are running against Newsom have no chance of even making a meaningful showing at the polls. The people behind the recall had people sign at malls, etc. and it was financed by rich schmucks. Fox's strategy is to say Newsom is a pretty boy who fucked things up. Fox is an ugly old rich man who'd have zero ability to govern.

The rest of your contentions are equally meaningless. Go ahead and cop out, you're not alone, there are plenty of uninformed you can fraternize with.