We Still Fight

[Jumpem]

Talk of the causes you support
Voice your misdirected views
You only comment on the things you don't have the power to change
Do you even think before you speak
Do you know what it is you condone
Take a look at the world today
You've taken your freedom and safety for granted

How do you justify (you have no right)
The way you disgrace those who gave their lives
And how do you justify (you have no right)
The way you disrespect those who's loved ones died

Every day is a different crusade
You revolt from the safety of your fantasies
Privileged, you've never fought for a thing
You'd be the first to go if there was real anarchy
All your jargon makes me sick
You're the farthest thing from an activist
You've lost sight of what's important and real
You've taken your freedom and safety for granted

How do you justify (you have no right)
The way you disgrace those who gave their lives
And how do you justify (you have no right)
The way you disrespect those who's loved ones died

This is dedicated to all those who gave their lives to uphold their beliefs
Not to those who try to demean their sacrifices
You have no right.

For those who fought for our rights and for those who gave their lives
And for the families who's loved ones died
Its their honor for which we still fight

 

[TheShiz]

that's great and all, but we do have the right to voice our opinion, and I feel it a VERY american thing to do. protests and activism have increased our freedoms, if you haven't noticed, bush has done nothing but TAKE away freedoms.

 

[Jumpem]

Voicing your opinion about events is fine and all, but disrespecting service members is not.

 

[Pastfinder]

Originally posted by: Jumpem
Voicing your opinion about events is fine and all, but disrespecting service members is not.

Ding! We have a winner...

 

[SpideyCU]

Originally posted by: Pastfinder

Originally posted by: Jumpem
Voicing your opinion about events is fine and all, but disrespecting service members is not.

Ding! We have a winner...

I'll double-ding that.

 

[bubbasmith99]

Originally posted by: SpideyCU

Originally posted by: Pastfinder

Originally posted by: Jumpem
Voicing your opinion about events is fine and all, but disrespecting service members is not.

Ding! We have a winner...

I'll double-ding that.

tripding

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: TheShiz
that's great and all, but we do have the right to voice our opinion, and I feel it a VERY american thing to do. protests and activism have increased our freedoms, if you haven't noticed, bush has done nothing but TAKE away freedoms.

I respect the protesters' rights to voice their opinion, but most seem to be a bit fanatical. Expressing yourself is one thing, blocking a major intersection, ripping down a flag, or attacking a pro-war protester is another thing altogether.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the protesters are the minority, albeit a very vocal one. Over 70% of the nation does in fact support the war. If the protesters are not content being in the minority, that is their problem. They are outnumbered, and to keep everything consistent their voice should only be heard 30% as much as the supporters. But it seems that they receive a disproportionate amount of press and airtime. Remember, they are the minority.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Marshallj
But it seems that they receive a disproportionate amount of press and airtime. Remember, they are the minority.

You got to be kidding me?

Views opposing the war are not given much time by major news sources at all. They may say there was a protest at one place or another, but there's hardly any reporting on the actual viewpoints.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Jumpem
Voicing your opinion about events is fine and all, but disrespecting service members is not.

Sending service members to needless war and facing needless danger is fine I guess?

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Marshallj
But it seems that they receive a disproportionate amount of press and airtime. Remember, they are the minority.

You got to be kidding me?

Views opposing the war are not given much time by major news sources at all. They may say there was a protest at one place or another, but there's hardly any reporting on the actual viewpoints.

Agreed. Most of the newscasts brush them off.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: flavio

You got to be kidding me?

Views opposing the war are not given much time by major news sources at all. They may say there was a protest at one place or another, but there's hardly any reporting on the actual viewpoints.

No, I see them showing protesters quite a lot on CNN. They seemed to show them more a few days ago, now it's mostly war coverage. But still, they show them plenty, much more than they show war supporters.

 

[flavio]

Like I said they show some film of protestors, but you don't get a lot of airtime discussing dissenting views.

 

[flavio]

How do you justify (you have no right)
The way you disgrace those who gave their lives
And how do you justify (you have no right)
The way you disrespect those who's loved ones died

This is dedicated to all those who gave their lives to uphold their beliefs
Not to those who try to demean their sacrifices
You have no right.

What is this crap anyway? Just becuase you disagree with this administrations decision to invade a country doesn't mean your disgrcing anyone.

If Bush decided to invade Switzerland tomorrow would you have to go along with that as well?

 

[Marshallj]

They show the opinions of anti-war people far more often than those of the supporters. Remember, anti-war people are only 30%, they are outnumbered by more than 2:1

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Marshallj
They show the opinions of anti-war people far more often than those of the supporters.

Absolutely not.

 

[Wheezer]

If Bush decided to invade Switzerland tomorrow would you have to go along with that as well?

depends..they got WMD also?

I find the protesters VERY selfish. Let me tell you why.

One of thier MAIN arguments for being opposed to us being in Iraq is there is no direct link..THAT THEY KNOW OF may I add...between Osama the one who attacked us on 9-11 and Saddam.


I do not know myself, but I am more inclined to belive they are tied together.

Ok fine, but while they are creating public dissent voicing thier opinion and creating chaos in the streets they are misdirecting the police, fire dept etc. people who should be focusing more on keeping our communities safe from the people who would do us direct harm, rather than locking up some people who find it more important to flaunt thier first amendment rights rather than look at the whole picture and put the rest of us in danger.

You see the people who attacked us on 9-11 are still out there, them and MANY like minded individuals who would LOVE to take advantage of an opportunity like a large protest to strike.

I'm all for people voicing thier opinions, you are an american citizen you have the right..but please do it in a responsible fashion.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

If Bush decided to invade Switzerland tomorrow would you have to go along with that as well?

depends..they got WMD also?

I find the protesters VERY selfish. Let me tell you why.

One of thier MAIN arguments for being opposed to us being in Iraq is there is no direct link..THAT THEY KNOW OF may I add...between Osama the one who attacked us on 9-11 and Saddam.


I do not know myself, but I am more inclined to belive they are tied together.

Ok fine, but while they are creating public dissent voicing thier opinion and creating chaos in the streets they are misdirecting the police, fire dept etc. people who should be focusing more on keeping our communities safe from the people who would do us direct harm, rather than locking up some people who find it more important to flaunt thier first amendment rights rather than look at the whole picture and put the rest of us in danger.

You see the people who attacked us on 9-11 are still out there, them and MANY like minded individuals who would LOVE to take advantage of an opportunity like a large protest to strike.

I'm all for people voicing thier opinions, you are an american citizen you have the right..but please do it in a responsible fashion.

Ah, let's see, you don't know if Iraq is linked to al-qaeda and if they have WMD, but you are willing to sacrifice thousands of Iraqis and may be hundreds of American, not to mention billions of dollar so you will FEEL safer? And you are saying the protesters are selfish?

 

[Wheezer]

Not just me but your bother, sister, mother, father, and anyone else you might care about.

You see there is more to it than just me. Oh yeah and guess what..the soldiers who are over there fighting and dying for you and me, they are doing it for thier families also.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Marshallj
They show the opinions of anti-war people far more often than those of the supporters.

Absolutely not.

They sure do.

They're a minority group, they are outnumbered 2:1. They made their point clear, but it is clear that they are outnumbered.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Wheezer
Not just me but your bother, sister, mother, father, and anyone else you might care about.

You see there is more to it than just me. Oh yeah and guess what..the soldiers who are over there fighting and dying for you and me, they are doing it for thier families also.

I thought you just said you don't know if there is a link between Iraq and al-qaeda? So what are the soldiers fighting for? Again, just for you to FEEL safe? Are you really safe even if Saddam is removed? Let me refresh your memory, it all began on 9/11 when planes flew into WTC and Pentagon. There was no WMD used, there was no Iraqi involved, and Saddam Hussein was not involved. How is removing Saddam Hussein keeping us away from another 9/11?

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: rchiu

There was no WMD used, there was no Iraqi involved, and Saddam Hussein was not involved. How is removing Saddam Hussein keeping us away from another 9/11?

Well I don't think that removing Saddam will prevent another 9/11, that's just bait to get the American public to buy into this war.

But I do think that Saddam controls a dangerous regime in a very unstable region on the earth, one that we need. Most of our oil comes from this region and we cannot have an enemy like Saddam influencing the region.

We must remove him to stabilize the region for our own best interests.

 

[TheShiz]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: TheShiz
that's great and all, but we do have the right to voice our opinion, and I feel it a VERY american thing to do. protests and activism have increased our freedoms, if you haven't noticed, bush has done nothing but TAKE away freedoms.

I respect the protesters' rights to voice their opinion, but most seem to be a bit fanatical. Expressing yourself is one thing, blocking a major intersection, ripping down a flag, or attacking a pro-war protester is another thing altogether.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the protesters are the minority, albeit a very vocal one. Over 70% of the nation does in fact support the war. If the protesters are not content being in the minority, that is their problem. They are outnumbered, and to keep everything consistent their voice should only be heard 30% as much as the supporters. But it seems that they receive a disproportionate amount of press and airtime. Remember, they are the minority.

when it comes to the world's stage, they are not the minority.

 

[TheShiz]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

If Bush decided to invade Switzerland tomorrow would you have to go along with that as well?

depends..they got WMD also?

I find the protesters VERY selfish. Let me tell you why.

One of thier MAIN arguments for being opposed to us being in Iraq is there is no direct link..THAT THEY KNOW OF may I add...between Osama the one who attacked us on 9-11 and Saddam.


I do not know myself, but I am more inclined to belive they are tied together.

Ok fine, but while they are creating public dissent voicing thier opinion and creating chaos in the streets they are misdirecting the police, fire dept etc. people who should be focusing more on keeping our communities safe from the people who would do us direct harm, rather than locking up some people who find it more important to flaunt thier first amendment rights rather than look at the whole picture and put the rest of us in danger.

You see the people who attacked us on 9-11 are still out there, them and MANY like minded individuals who would LOVE to take advantage of an opportunity like a large protest to strike.

I'm all for people voicing thier opinions, you are an american citizen you have the right..but please do it in a responsible fashion.

i believe most people do, you are complaining about the few that do not.

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Wheezer
Not just me but your bother, sister, mother, father, and anyone else you might care about.

You see there is more to it than just me. Oh yeah and guess what..the soldiers who are over there fighting and dying for you and me, they are doing it for thier families also.

I thought you just said you don't know if there is a link between Iraq and al-qaeda? So what are the soldiers fighting for? Again, just for you to FEEL safe? Are you really safe even if Saddam is removed? Let me refresh your memory, it all began on 9/11 when planes flew into WTC and Pentagon. There was no WMD used, there was no Iraqi involved, and Saddam Hussein was not involved. How is removing Saddam Hussein keeping us away from another 9/11?

ok you miss the point. My point is that while people such as yourself are out in the streets protesting the war, the police and other officials who should be focused on watching our backs so we can go on about our daily lives with out the worry of being blown up, or gassed, or a bioligical attack. so that we FEEL safe as you so put it, are being misdirected into throwing people who disagree with this war in jail.

And you can say for sure that Saddam was in no way shape or form involved in the attacks on our country?

Show me your concrete proof.

You can't.

 

[TheShiz]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Marshallj
But it seems that they receive a disproportionate amount of press and airtime. Remember, they are the minority.

You got to be kidding me?

Views opposing the war are not given much time by major news sources at all. They may say there was a protest at one place or another, but there's hardly any reporting on the actual viewpoints.

bingo, they'll show some guy saying he hates bush or something, but they do not really go into depth about the reasons people are against this war, the most I have seen is call in on c-span where somebody maybe will get 2 minutes to say something. I haven't seen much good discussion from the major media.