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[Moonbeam]

If English isn't your native tongue perhaps you should simplify your sentences. This sounds like somebody trying to impress beyond their reach and in the process winging up speaking gibberish. No offense intended because if it's not your native language you do very well in it, but here, it sounds more like intended for effect than to say much of anything.

From what I can gather, I don't have a line that divides people into dreamers or not; its more of a spectrum thing. I had a flying car toy as a small boy that I flew everywhere. I think I got that pretty much out of my system. Speaking of mixing with the exulted I was once addressed by the Queen.

Oh yes, I happened to have somehow wondered into her path and she asked me to get out of her way, I'm kidding, of course, but when agent mentioned rubbing elbows with world shakers I envisioned some convention somewhere where his job was to sweep the floor. I guess he didn't hear me very well when I told him that many of our wise men I consider to be fools. One can, it would seem, achieve technical brilliance and remain quite emotionally backward. I think for those typed the notion can be threatening that they do not know what they feel, although to be factual, that's a near universal, but a spectrum thing.

Thanks for mentioning that we often together, you and I, digress into realms of mutual scientific or other interests, like from the simplest of ingredients one can wind up with a delicious loaf of bread. Poor agent it seems, when he sees a loaf can only envision a knife.

 

[trenchfoot]

Somebody needs to tell Trump that what he thinks is a Trump brand made in China silk tie he's fashioning around his neck is actually a hangman's noose made of 1" thick coarse manila rope, because outwardly, he seems to be oblivious to just how tight he's pulling on it and how delusional he is about what he's doing with that instrument of political suicide and how well of a job he's doing with it.

I'm rather surprised that his face hasn't turned from that bright orange tinge he usually sports to some lovely shade of purple by now.

 

[agent00f]

If English isn't your native tongue perhaps you should simplify your sentences. This sounds like somebody trying to impress beyond their reach and in the process winging up speaking gibberish. No offense intended because if it's not your native language you do very well in it, but here, it sounds more like intended for effect than to say much of anything.

From what I can gather, I don't have a line that divides people into dreamers or not; its more of a spectrum thing. I had a flying car toy as a small boy that I flew everywhere. I think I got that pretty much out of my system. Speaking of mixing with the exulted I was once addressed by the Queen.

"It's too ironic that for all you speak of divine humility to accept the world, this hackney reactionary blathering ego is what manifests beneath it all. "

You talk a lot about personal enlightenment, at least to know your own psychology (plus literally/conscientiously project it upon everyone else). Yet you never discuss this need to suppose that your ideas either on that or about technology are particularly worthwhile due to being informed. Imagine your reaction upon meeting any academic psychologist who's very unlikely to agree with that singular naive notion of emotional development. I would expect it be similar to discussing sci/tech with someone who knows sci/tech.

"The only reality is that there's actually someone here who works/mixes with the visionaries, and it's none of the folks butthurt that pretending to didn't work out. "

People who're familiar with a field or at a certain level know when speaking to their peers. They've also seen enough of people who pretend to.

"Such circumstances are probably what motivated those who argue that the species is too stupid to survive for long."

It's only reasonable that other smart folks observe this all around them and predict woe for the species.

I think it's impressive that we have people who can speak to the level of education they don't know with apparent authority, know what they have done without any knowledge of them whatsoever, and divine intent likewise. Then there is the imperative of pointing this out, the saving of his world, the New Crusader Rabbit. Edit- Here is our friend in his first incarnation

BTW, I didn't know you were addressed by the Queen, but I have heard them in concert.

Let's not pretend you know much about sci/tech.

 

[agent00f]

Oh yes, I happened to have somehow wondered into her path and she asked me to get out of her way, I'm kidding, of course, but when agent mentioned rubbing elbows with world shakers I envisioned some convention somewhere where his job was to sweep the floor. I guess he didn't hear me very well when I told him that many of our wise men I consider to be fools. One can, it would seem, achieve technical brilliance and remain quite emotionally backward. I think for those typed the notion can be threatening that they do not know what they feel, although to be factual, that's a near universal, but a spectrum thing.

Thanks for mentioning that we often together, you and I, digress into realms of mutual scientific or other interests, like from the simplest of ingredients one can wind up with a delicious loaf of bread. Poor agent it seems, when he sees a loaf can only envision a knife.

Why don't we save the self-adulation for people who can at least figure out bbcode tags, or quote the right post for that matter.

 

[jmagg]

It's only reasonable that other smart folks observe this all around them and predict woe for the species.

Instead of constantly disparaging, please enlighten us as to the path to utopia.

 

[agent00f]

Instead of constantly disparaging, please enlighten us as to the path to utopia.

There's a whole industry built around teaching people who don't know better, aka education. It includes psychology and laundry list of tech.

 

[jmagg]

There's a whole industry built around teaching people who don't know better, aka education. It includes psychology and laundry list of tech.

In which our society is already immersed. Please be more specific.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

agent00f

"Let's not pretend you know much about sci/tech."

Let's examine what we have in this thread. I brought up nothing about my education, formal or informal. That being the case all you have are snippets of some things I find interesting with a very basic explanation.

But pretending is relevant to your issue with me and apparently others. Since there's no concrete basis in any of these threads to factually demonstrate my level of education, you must possess objective proof. You can't know unless you have information outside these forums.

So what is my level of education? What courses of study have I had? Where did I go to school? Did I go to college and if so where and for what?

How do you know these things? You made a point and logically you must have a real world basis besides my word or an internet forum.

Don't pretend to know something you can't know. If you do then provide concrete evidence of my education. Think of this as a trial if you will. Someone makes a claim about another. We're not talking speculation or inference, but a factual statement of "wrongdoing". "He dunnit"? No, you would be asked to provide a statement or evidence which can be verified.

So dazzle everyone and make me a "liar" as you see me, with demonstrable fact. Otherwise you've called attention to yourself and badly overplayed your hand making you look quite the fool.

Let's see what you can do.

 

[agent00f]

In which our society is already immersed. Please be more specific.

Learning how algebra/calc or anything else works before blathering about it helps. Notice there are a lot of people not so practiced with the basic details yet feel qualified to judged all manner of things built on them.

agent00f

"Let's not pretend you know much about sci/tech."

Let's examine what we have in this thread. I brought up nothing about my education, formal or informal. That being the case all you have are snippets of some things I find interesting with a very basic explanation.

But pretending is relevant to your issue with me and apparently others. Since there's no concrete basis in any of these threads to factually demonstrate my level of education, you must possess objective proof. You can't know unless you have information outside these forums.

So what is my level of education? What courses of study have I had? Where did I go to school? Did I go to college and if so where and for what?

How do you know these things? You made a point and logically you must have a real world basis besides my word or an internet forum.

Don't pretend to know something you can't know. If you do then provide concrete evidence of my education. Think of this as a trial if you will. Someone makes a claim about another. We're not talking speculation or inference, but a factual statement of "wrongdoing". "He dunnit"? No, you would be asked to provide a statement or evidence which can be verified.

So dazzle everyone and make me a "liar" as you see me, with demonstrable fact. Otherwise you've called attention to yourself and badly overplayed your hand making you look quite the fool.

Let's see what you can do.

Eg someone familiar with the prereq edu isn't going to pretend that a PR puff piece about a grant or equiv is evidence of much. They would also know that refers to.

 

[jmagg]

Learning how algebra/calc or anything else works before blathering about it helps. Notice there are a lot of people not so practiced with the basic details yet feel qualified to judged all manner of things built on them.

Still unsure on how schooling everyone with algebra/calc will feed the poor. All i see from your response is more disparaging.

 

[agent00f]

Still unsure on how schooling everyone with algebra/calc will feed the poor. All i see from your response is more disparaging.

You probably have a lot more insight into this problem given the amount of personal experience with never understanding anything.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Learning how algebra/calc or anything else works before blathering about it helps. Notice there are a lot of people not so practiced with the basic details yet feel qualified to judged all manner of things built on them.



Eg someone familiar with the prereq edu isn't going to pretend that a PR puff piece about a grant or equiv is evidence of much. They would also know that refers to.

I stated what is available and made no claim that I was working on it or involved directly in launching probes. I mentioned Fermi and von Neumann probes, any of which is widely known. So far all I've claimed is that these are real items of thought and discussed them in a cursory way. As far as Hawking, he envisions a scenario by which a small probe can be launched and explained the principles. What violation of physics makes this impossible. How about self replicating machines? They don't exist, but there's nothing startling about them in principle.

But you made an encompassing claim where I have not. You looked at a post that was never a dissertation, no claims about being involved in any related project. It was not a statement about my education in any way. Fact is it wasn't about me, well not until you entered the picture.

What do I know and show how you know it, not some drivel about grants and links to commonly known things. I wasn't "special", I thought it was kind of cool and shared it. I didn't say "THIS IS HOW IT IS", I mentioned questions which people have wondered about including respected scientists, and referred to their thinking that anyone could find. There was nothing whatsoever that referred to that involved my at all, other than I've read it and know enough to bring it up for discussion. What I did was say that it may be that other civilizations may not exist, or have not ventured into space. Note I said there could be any number of reasons which could be anything from us being alone to the Great Filter. Now the word "to" which Moonbeam already explained is something an speaker of English should understand, namely a spectrum of possibilities, not two from which we must choose from. Indeed any rational being familiar with the language would understand all that. You mentioned the inability to travel, but offered no material evidence forbidding such things. You did not explain why von Neumann was full of it either. You defined a reality which did not exist by setting parameters of discussion you weren't part of.

You "feel" I did something "wrong", whatever that may be but seek to prove it by making a statement then referencing your statements as demonstration of fact. So other than self referencing and fallacies, what have I done, what have I been educated in? How well read am I and how do you know these things. Don't beg the question or say something you can't possibly know unless you KNOW and can demonstrate THOSE facts.

You've painted yourself nicely into the corner. Be superior and prove by objective means your contentions.

 

[agent00f]

I stated what is available and made no claim that I was working on it or involved directly in launching probes. I mentioned Fermi and von Neumann probes, any of which is widely known. So far all I've claimed is that these are real items of thought and discussed them in a cursory way. As far as Hawking, he envisions a scenario by which a small probe can be launched and explained the principles. What violation of physics makes this impossible. How about self replicating machines? They don't exist, but there's nothing startling about them in principle.

But you made an encompassing claim where I have not. You looked at a post that was never a dissertation, no claims about being involved in any related project. It was not a statement about my education in any way. Fact is it wasn't about me, well not until you entered the picture.

What do I know and show how you know it, not some drivel about grants and links to commonly known things. I wasn't "special", I thought it was kind of cool and shared it. I didn't say "THIS IS HOW IT IS", I mentioned questions which people have wondered about including respected scientists, and referred to their thinking that anyone could find. There was nothing whatsoever that referred to that involved my at all, other than I've read it and know enough to bring it up for discussion. What I did was say that it may be that other civilizations may not exist, or have not ventured into space. Note I said there could be any number of reasons which could be anything from us being alone to the Great Filter. No the word "to" which Moonbeam already explained what a speaker of English should understand, namely a spectrum of possibilities, not two from which we must choose from. Indeed any rational being familiar with the language would understand all that. You mentioned the inability to travel, but offered no material evidence forbidding such things. You did not explain why von Neumann was full of it either. You defined a reality which did not exist by setting parameters of discussion you weren't part of.

You "feel" I did something "wrong", whatever that may be but seek to prove it by making a statement then referencing your statements as demonstration of fact. So other than self referencing and fallacies, what have I done, what have I been educated in? How well read am I and how do you know these things. Don't beg the question or say something you can't possibly know unless you KNOW and can demonstrate THOSE facts.

You've painted yourself nicely into the corner. Be superior and prove by objective means your contentions.

Ponder the embarrassing level of self-ownage from spewing comical accusations about shoulder chips, and then enacting exactly that to demonstrate what it looks like.

All that needed to be said about idiots parroting pop sci or whatever to look smart has already been. My comments aren't meant to somehow educate them until otherwise or any such exercise in futility.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Ponder the embarrassing level of self-ownage from spewing comical accusations about shoulder chips, and then enacting exactly that to demonstrate what it looks like.

All that needed to be said about idiots parroting pop sci or whatever has already been. My comments aren't meant to somehow educate them until otherwise or any such exercise in futility.

So you can't produce anything. Your evidence of "idiots parroting" is that you say it is so and then refer back to it. You can't educate because you can't know what I know, yet again you make claims by assertion then repeat them over and over again as if they are fact. No, facts require evidence. Besides your own "personal truth" what do you have that you can demonstrate. At some level I'm sad for you because you attack without being able to show anything. You latch onto people for some reason you can't show to anyone else- your private reality. If I'm pulling wool over people's eyes that's a fairly serious thing as the internet goes and you have made a statement about my knowledge, which is completely unrelated your statement. In your world mentioning anything which is not original is parroting. No, parroting would be repeating something without understanding. You made the claim and therefore the burden of proof in a rational, logical and scientific world is on you.

There is no point where specious comments become based in reality because you say them over and over and over again. Yet, you insist on doing so. I submit that your behavior and complete inability to malign based on evidence strongly suggests that this issue is about you. Am I wrong? Then prove your contention. Don't educate, show that I'm ignorant or a liar. Be the man you seem to want to be and prove me the "scoundrel" you apparently take me for.

Any ordinary person, much less superior would understand the concept of backing up a claim, yet that is not something you've demonstrated for yourself.

Remember, every time you attack me without evidence, you diminish your standing in the minds of all.

Continue, apologize or extract yourself. "Winning" a battle for supremacy, establishing a "stance of dominance" isn't even on the table because the premise for it never existed except in your own mind.

 

[jmagg]

You probably have a lot more insight into this problem given the amount of personal experience with never understanding anything.

Same old bs. Check.

 

[Moonbeam]

Ponder the embarrassing level of self-ownage from spewing comical accusations about shoulder chips, and then enacting exactly that to demonstrate what it looks like.

All that needed to be said about idiots parroting pop sci or whatever to look smart has already been. My comments aren't meant to somehow educate them until otherwise or any such exercise in futility.

I think it best to just chalk you up here in this thread as a disagreeably pompous asshole. You pretended to know what you can't possibly know and refuse to retract what you said, pretending instead that it's all self evident. Evidently you were wrong about that and a number of other things clearly stated

Instead of constantly disparaging, please enlighten us as to the path to utopia.

He is basically a coward. He can't live with fact that all the harm done to him by fools can never be justly revenged because all of those fools were once beautiful innocent children. He can't allow that in because it would open the door to the awareness of how hopeless he actually feels and the implied bankruptcy of his ideas and the fact that all those fools were walking the same bankrupt path that he now does.

 

[agent00f]

So you can't produce anything. Your evidence of "idiots parroting" is that you say it is so and then refer back to it. You can't educate because you can't know what I know, yet again you make claims by assertion then repeat them over and over again as if they are fact. No, facts require evidence. Besides your own "personal truth" what do you have that you can demonstrate. At some level I'm sad for you because you attack without being able to show anything. You latch onto people for some reason you can't show to anyone else- your private reality. If I'm pulling wool over people's eyes that's a fairly serious thing as the internet goes and you have made a statement about my knowledge, which is completely unrelated your statement. In your world mentioning anything which is not original is parroting. No, parroting would be repeating something without understanding. You made the claim and therefore the burden of proof in a rational, logical and scientific world is on you.

There is no point where specious comments become based in reality because you say them over and over and over again. Yet, you insist on doing so. I submit that your behavior and complete inability to malign based on evidence strongly suggests that this issue is about you. Am I wrong? Then prove your contention. Don't educate, show that I'm ignorant or a liar. Be the man you seem to want to be and prove me the "scoundrel" you apparently take me for.

Any ordinary person, much less superior would understand the concept of backing up a claim, yet that is not something you've demonstrated for yourself.

Remember, every time you attack me without evidence, you diminish your standing in the minds of all.

Continue, apologize or extract yourself. "Winning" a battle for supremacy, establishing a "stance of dominance" isn't even on the table because the premise for it never existed except in your own mind.

Just fyi, going on at length that nobody can prove ur dumb is not the way to go about this. As mentioned smart/educated people can readily tell wannabes from the collection of such behavior, incl bring up space out of nowhere to show they can read, and dummies are by definition never disabused of such notions.

I think it best to just chalk you up here in this thread as a disagreeably pompous asshole. You pretended to know what you can't possibly know and refuse to retract what you said, pretending instead that it's all self evident. Evidently you were wrong about that and a number of other things clearly stated

He is basically a coward. He can't live with fact that all the harm done to him by fools can never be justly revenged because all of those fools were once beautiful innocent children. He can't allow that in because it would open the door to the awareness of how hopeless he actually feels and the implied bankruptcy of his ideas and the fact that all those fools were walking the same bankrupt path that he now does.

Deserving of a prize in hypocrisy to scorn arrogance and pretend humility when singularly portraying everyone else as ignorant sheeple.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Just fyi, going on at length that nobody can prove ur dumb is not the way to go about this. As mentioned smart/educated people can readily tell wannabes from the collection of such behavior, incl bring up space out of nowhere to show they can read, and dummies are by definition never disabused of such notions.

Wow, stick a fork in you. You can just tell, eh? I mean it's an awesome troll except you can't understand basic thought at all, but having superpowers now? Bloody awesome mate!

 

[agent00f]

Wow, stick a fork in you. You can just tell, eh? I mean it's an awesome troll except you can't understand basic thought at all, but having superpowers now? Bloody awesome mate!

Yes, informed people can tell, which is rather the point, like by how much dummies strain with big to them words/ideas. Acting as if this is somehow a mystery really doesn't help your case.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yes, informed people can tell, which is rather the point, like by how much dummies strain with big to them words/ideas. Acting as if this is somehow a mystery really doesn't help your case.

Psst, this forum which no doubt has "smart" people are basically laughing at your magical thinking. By all means entertain us. Maybe you can telekinetically juggle? Bark like a seal? I mean the end of your high levels of smartness are heretofore unseen. Oh, what's my educational background again, oh Magic 8 Ball? What do the voices in your head tell you? Ah nevermind, you got what you asked for although it seems it is not what you wanted. We now have a clear assessment of your "abilities". Back on ignore and you can hide in your parent's basement, jr high kid.

 

[agent00f]

Psst, this forum which no doubt has "smart" people are basically laughing at your magical thinking. By all means entertain us. Maybe you can telekinetically juggle? Bark like a seal? I mean the end of your high levels of smartness are heretofore unseen. Oh, what's my educational background again, oh Magic 8 Ball? What do the voices in your head tell you? Ah nevermind, you got what you asked for although it seems it is not what you wanted. We now have a clear assessment of your "abilities". Back on ignore and you can hide in your parent's basement, jr high kid.

Maybe moonbeam can help envision what happened in your childhood to result in anything so pathetic.

 

[Moonbeam]

Maybe moonbeam can help envision what happened in your childhood to result in anything so pathetic.

His capacity to feel and empathy in particular survived. When you call somebody pathetic in a derogatory way it only tells others who have self understanding that you were called pathetic as a child and have internalized that feeling. That's why you are nasty and people can see it and why people like him. And the farther you take this the worse you look. You should quit while you're only miles behind.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

His capacity to feel and empathy in particular survived. When you call somebody pathetic in a derogatory way it only tells others who have self understanding that you were called pathetic as a child and have internalized that feeling. That's why you are nasty and people can see it and why people like him. And the farther you take this the worse you look. You should quit while you're only miles behind.

You are right there's no point in continuing and doing so is cruel so I let it go. I have no need. I had hoped that he would reveal himself as a dedicated troll because at least he would understand the what he was attempting to do although the need to do so is another matter. Sadly it's worse than that because his trolling nature is incredibly deep or he really does has severe dysfunctional emotional issues which require services we cannot provide. Responding further would be akin to the age old comedy routine of

"Hey aren't you listening?"
"Don't bother mate, he's deaf"
"Really? HEY WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING!!!"

Better to take the high road while there's time.

 

[agent00f]

His capacity to feel and empathy in particular survived. When you call somebody pathetic in a derogatory way it only tells others who have self understanding that you were called pathetic as a child and have internalized that feeling. That's why you are nasty and people can see it and why people like him. And the farther you take this the worse you look. You should quit while you're only miles behind.

Your ability to consider your own situation is about on par with the conservatives here, which really places into question all those claims about enlightenment through introspection. The laundry list of hypocritical ironies above aside, notice the addition comedy of whining about insults literally in the same sentence as desperately attempting your own. Also literally desperate given it's basically the playground I know you are but what am I routine.

Speaking of pathetic, just look at yourself rationalizing loyalty/popularity as some kind of ultimate virtue now that the more desirable ones are out of reach. The dummies here would be proud to extend membership.

You are right there's no point in continuing and doing so is cruel so I let it go. I have no need. I had hoped that he would reveal himself as a dedicated troll because at least he would understand the what he was attempting to do although the need to do so is another matter. Sadly it's worse than that because his trolling nature is incredibly deep or he really does has severe dysfunctional emotional issues which require services we cannot provide. Responding further would be akin to the age old comedy routine of

"Hey aren't you listening?"
"Don't bother mate, he's deaf"
"Really? HEY WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING!!!"

Better to take the high road while there's time.

Just a basic life tip, let the smarter of you two do the talking. Notice from his posts even he can tell you're not exactly the sharp tool.

 

[disappoint]

You are right there's no point in continuing and doing so is cruel so I let it go. I have no need. I had hoped that he would reveal himself as a dedicated troll because at least he would understand the what he was attempting to do although the need to do so is another matter. Sadly it's worse than that because his trolling nature is incredibly deep or he really does has severe dysfunctional emotional issues which require services we cannot provide. Responding further would be akin to the age old comedy routine of

"Hey aren't you listening?"
"Don't bother mate, he's deaf"
"Really? HEY WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING!!!"

Better to take the high road while there's time.

He is still trying to fill the bottomless void of his inferiority complex by insulting others.