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Craig234

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Brother, I don't know about you, but I'm positive that the Government is NOT the only problem we face currently

Wow, you have a clue about the threat of concentrated wealth?

], and if you really want to learn how screwed we are, maybe you need to look at the 2010 Census report and how documented Hispanics now officially represent #2 in the National Race, that's right...

But that's only the documented legals, what about the Illegals?

I live in a city where I can verify to you that I see more hispanic stores now popping up in the last 5 years than in my entire life. They have practically taken over about 2/3rds of our city, seriously, and are even taking over Overland Park, Kansas as well.

If you don't remember what happened to Miami, then maybe you need to reconsider just how serious the influx is. But the real problem is, that's just those here in the country, many gangs & bad guys lay not far from the border, we have seen 2 deaths so far, how many more will ensue?

No, you don't. The problem is not Mexicans of any legal status. It's a particularly non-Hispanic problem.

We now have 50 million Hispanics reported in the US. They ARE a large part of what America is.
 
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Darwin333

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Or, big business and the military are so powerful, that Obama is showing very little can be done for the people.

When people can destroy the economy, they can make big demands of leaders for policies that benefit them. 30 years of de-regulation show the result.

Of course, its never your sides fault.

You do realize that if you are correct then you are wasting your time as nothing can be done.

Personally, I can think of numerous things that he could do right now without Congress that would be great steps in the right direction. He isn't doing them not because he can't but because he is bought and paid for by the same people that owned the last guy.
 

Darwin333

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Wow, you have a clue about the threat of concentrated wealth?

Even disregarding the tax issue, Obama's actions have done nothing but help increase that concentration. Hell, his DOJ has refused to prosecute insane amounts of illegal activities that have expanded that concentration and continues to do so as we speak.

Who exactly is stopping Obama from prosecuting the defrauding of the US public of absurd amounts of wealth? Why is he allowing it to continue? Why is he allowing people to keep their ill-gotten gains which will do nothing but entice more of the same? Why hasn't Obama stopped the looting and started the prosecuting???

Most of that he requires no help from Congress on nor does he require the approval of anyone else to do so. Unless they are threatening the President of the United States life or something similar, he does not do so because he does not wish it. IMO he does not wish it because he bought and paid for, you are free to come up with your own opinion like Republican mind control devices or something.
 

Craig234

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Even disregarding the tax issue, Obama's actions have done nothing but help increase that concentration. Hell, his DOJ has refused to prosecute insane amounts of illegal activities that have expanded that concentration and continues to do so as we speak.

Who exactly is stopping Obama from prosecuting the defrauding of the US public of absurd amounts of wealth? Why is he allowing it to continue? Why is he allowing people to keep their ill-gotten gains which will do nothing but entice more of the same? Why hasn't Obama stopped the looting and started the prosecuting???

Most of that he requires no help from Congress on nor does he require the approval of anyone else to do so. Unless they are threatening the President of the United States life or something similar, he does not do so because he does not wish it. IMO he does not wish it because he bought and paid for, you are free to come up with your own opinion like Republican mind control devices or something.

As far as I recall, every post I have made about Obama and Wall Street has said Obama has not done enough, including posts in the last 24 hours.

I'm supporting *progressives* - I'd replace Obama with one if I could. While I can't and the choice is limited to Obama or a McCain/Palin, I support Obama over them.

In the meantime I advocate support for progressives, over both corrupt Republicans and Democrats, who are not equally bad as parties, but both have big problems.

The answer to your question is more complex than seems will be worthwhile to discuss. Why didn't Bill Clinton just order the military to end gay discrimination?

There are multiple reasons Obama does not do enough against Wall Street problems.
 

Darwin333

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Of course, you lie. Not responding to the rest of the post with that lie there.

Please cut the bullshit insults because they do not help your cause or your side.

The post I was responding to:

Or, big business and the military are so powerful, that Obama is showing very little can be done for the people.

When people can destroy the economy, they can make big demands of leaders for policies that benefit them. 30 years of de-regulation show the result.

You implied that Obama is powerless to do anything. You lie, he is not powerless. He simply doesn't have the will.
 

_GTech

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I'm very aware of the Elite / Ultra Rich, many of the problems we face now are the result of the Federal Reserve Bank which is owned by those Ultra Rich. Though the 2nd major problem is Social Security & Medicare, definitely.

It's the Federal Reserve Bank's, (Which isn't federal, has no reserve, and isn't a bank), power to control our nations money that is the real problem at hand here.

Just so you know that I am not ignorant to the devices of the elite nor the real problems at hand. The gap is growing very wide between the haves and have nots, and that chasm is speeding along all too fast with the printing of 10 Trilling Dollars...

The Federal Reserve is pumping Hundreds of Billions of dollars a day into the market to keep it afloat. They know they have to stop at some point, but when they do the market starts to falter quickly, so they start pumping again, and it's extremely visible to see, even anonymous losers can see it..

In case you missed it the government wanted to audit the Federal Reserve and their response was Piss Off! That tells you who is really running this country, truly! Of course the government is trying to pass legislation to open the books...

—The Federal Reserve Transparency Act of 2011 has been introduced in both houses. In the House, Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) has introduced it as H.R. 459. In the Senate, Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) has introduced it as S. 202.
—The Federal Reserve Transparency Act would eliminate the current audit restrictions placed on the Government Accountability Office (GAO) and require a full and thorough audit of the Federal Reserve.
—Since its inception in 1913, the Federal Reserve has never been audited. It has always operated under a certain veil of secrecy. Our dollar has lost 97 percent of its value since its creation.


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Even the government sees the real issue at hand, the question is will they take back the power? This remains to be seen and I think one of the reasons why we are getting no action from Obama, and as far as progressives go, Hillary clearly stated she is a Progressive, but to me that's just another word for Socialist. I not for a 100% socialist government at all! Though to be honest we really do need a third party and if the Progressives / Socialist will represent the people's best interest FIRST, then it could be a good thing to see a third party come along, truly!
 
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LegendKiller

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I'm very aware of the Elite / Ultra Rich, many of the problems we face now are the result of the Federal Reserve Bank which is owned by those Ultra Rich. Though the 2nd major problem is Social Security & Medicare, definitely.

It's the Federal Reserve Bank, which isn't federal, has no reserve, and isn't a bank, power to control our nations money that is the real problem at hand here.

Just so you know that I am not ignorant to the devices of the elite nor the real problems at hand.

The FRB isn't owned by the "rich", it's owned by every member bank, which are mostly public banks which are mostly owned through institutional investors (pensions, 401k).

The FRB is Federal in that it is a Congressionally chartered bank and can be removed at any time, it is a bank to banks and holds deposits from other banks, and as far as controlling our nation's money, whom do you propose to "control" it?

Please prove your "hundreds of billions of dollars" claim.

The "Chasm" isn't getting bigger because the FRB.
 

_GTech

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The FRB isn't owned by the "rich", it's owned by every member bank, which are mostly public banks which are mostly owned through institutional investors (pensions, 401k).

The FRB is Federal in that it is a Congressionally chartered bank and can be removed at any time, it is a bank to banks and holds deposits from other banks, and as far as controlling our nation's money, whom do you propose to "control" it?

Please prove your "hundreds of billions of dollars" claim.

The "Chasm" isn't getting bigger because the FRB.

I don't like making statements I cannot backup, so that you can have your proof, here is ONE piece of many reports..

In a spare, government-issue office in Lower Manhattan, behind a bank of cubicles and a scruffy copy machine, Josh Frost and a band of market specialists are making the Fed’s ultimate Wall Street trade. They are buying hundreds of billions of dollars of United States Treasury securities on the open market in a controversial attempt to keep interest rates low and, in the process, revive the economy.

QE2, as it is called on Wall Street — is being put into practice almost daily by the central bank’s powerful New York arm.

The smallest miscalculation, a few one-hundredths of a percentage point here or there, could unsettle the markets and cost taxpayers dearly.

Source - CNBC

Satisfied?

The FRB is controlling our nation's money supply, they were told to print Trillions of dollars, and now they are using it to control the markets, though what you say is accurate to an extent, the FRB is not the ONLY reason we are having problems, though it IS a major contributing factor to the chasm, truly! Some of the other problems is the rich are drawing strings on their political puppets to make them write laws, like the Federal Bailout (Corporate Payout), which these elite are more or less paying themselves in bonuses, it's been a problem that not enough people are standing up and shouting, "WTF?"! I don't think the shouting / screaming has begun in earnest yet, but it's starting to, that's for sure! (See Wisconsin)

Even LA took interest in Wisconsin with 5-6,000 Union Protestors Demonstrating... The problem is the crap really hasn't hit the fan yet, but it will, soon enough! When more changes to legislation is made to handle the budget cuts we will see quite a bit of protesting going on. I think Obama is truly afraid to act at this point, and he should be... As many have stated it would be Political Suicide to deal with the real issues like Social Security, etc, but that's not the only issue, and the old money (ultra rich) can quickly end someone's career with all the power they have in Washington..

We have never seen a President Impeached, but rest assured it wouldn't take much to make it happen. One part of me believes we still have good ole honest Americans around in Washington Somewhere, ones that are willing to grab the bull & the bear by the horns and tell them to just deal with it! Wall Street may have a lot of power, but they wont have much when the gavel hits the house floor. If congress wants to do something about the issues they can, they are just choosing not to at this time, pushing the problems forward, well the problems are going to start to show up in their faces, and action will eventually need to be taken (as we are seeing now with budget cuts). The solutions are not far off, it's just that many Americans will not like swallowing the very bitter pill...
 
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LegendKiller

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I rarely make statements I cannot backup, so that you can have your proof, here is ONE piece of many reports..



Source - CNBC

Satisfied?

That's not "hundreds of billions per day".

Again, provide backup to hundreds of billions per day.

You make statements you can't back up all of the time, including exactly what I said above.
 

_GTech

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That's not "hundreds of billions per day".

Again, provide backup to hundreds of billions per day.

You make statements you can't back up all of the time, including exactly what I said above.

I'm sorry you are correct, it appears they are spacing it out over time, though they are buying daily, sorry I confused that part, but it's still hundreds of Billions, and that's not a small # to be sure! Not to mention this is not the only actions they are taking with money, they loaned quite a few banks hundreds of billions as well, among other actions...

The real problem is their power is unchecked with that money, they literally have the power to do what they want with our FUTURE Tax Money! So you see the power of the Ultra Rich at work... The real problem at hand.
 

LegendKiller

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I'm sorry you are correct, it appears they are spacing it out over time, though they are buying daily, sorry I confused that part, but it's still hundreds of Billions, and that's not a small # to be sure! Not to mention this is not the only actions they are taking with money, they loaned quite a few banks hundreds of billions as well, among other actions...

The real problem is their power is unchecked with that money, they literally have the power to do what they want with our FUTURE Tax Money! So you see the power of the Ultra Rich at work... The real problem at hand.

Of course I was correct. You run around websites and scream your BS about the FRB without understanding a single fucking aspect of the world. You pretend to be smart but you're really pretty silly, naive, and ill-informed. You're a FUD spreader and an ignorant one at that.

If you were smart you'd realize why and what they are doing. The "chasm" is growing because people think it's peachy to cut taxes to the rich while allowing China to keep manipulating their currency. Since they won't float, the FRB is forcing them to reign in growth through inflation or experience hyperinflation through imported inflation via dollar depreciation.

It's a great scheme to force China's parity in the world rather than allowing them to bootstrap their economy up via currency manipulation at the expense of the rest of the world.

It's why I'd like to see QE3 be 2-3x what QE2 is now. If they don't want to unpeg, they should be prepared to collapse.
 
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Darwin333

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Of course I was correct. You run around websites and scream your BS about the FRB without understanding a single fucking aspect of the world. You pretend to be smart but you're really pretty silly, naive, and ill-informed. You're a FUD spreader and an ignorant one at that.

If you were smart you'd realize why and what they are doing. The "chasm" is growing because people think it's peachy to cut taxes to the rich while allowing China to keep manipulating their currency. Since they won't float, the FRB is forcing them to reign in growth through inflation or experience hyperinflation through imported inflation via dollar depreciation.

It's a great scheme to force China's parity in the world rather than allowing them to bootstrap their economy up via currency manipulation at the expense of the rest of the world.

It's why I'd like to see QE3 be 2-3x what QE2 is now. If they don't want to unpeg, they should be prepared to collapse.

So we are exporting inflation now and the Feds action IS in fact inflationary.

Question, what does inflation do to our entitlement spending?
 

LegendKiller

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So we are exporting inflation now and the Feds action IS in fact inflationary.

Question, what does inflation do to our entitlement spending?

The Fed's action is inflationary in an inflationary environment. However, in order for it to be inflationary here the slack in unemployment and credit needs to be taken up. In that case the Fed can sell assets out into the market, as they are now doing with the RMBS they purchased and the AIG Maiden Lane portfolio, to sop up excess reserves. However, as long as China's still doing what they are doing you won't see inflation in any huge amount.

Many will discuss energy and food but the biggest problem there is that the inflationary affects right now on those two fronts are not monetarily driven.
 

Darwin333

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The Fed's action is inflationary in an inflationary environment. However, in order for it to be inflationary here the slack in unemployment and credit needs to be taken up. In that case the Fed can sell assets out into the market, as they are now doing with the RMBS they purchased and the AIG Maiden Lane portfolio, to sop up excess reserves. However, as long as China's still doing what they are doing you won't see inflation in any huge amount.

Many will discuss energy and food but the biggest problem there is that the inflationary affects right now on those two fronts are not monetarily driven.

I am getting ready to boil some crawfish so just a few quick questions.

1. So we have finally figured out how to export more stuff but it is inflation?

2. Isn't the Fed almost the only entity purchasing large amounts of long dated bonds? Aren't we also selling record amounts of bonds just about every month, including that which is sold to the Fed? Japan just got FUBAR'd and as you state our intent is to fuck China...... who is going to buy the bonds?

3. Isn't one of the stated goals of QE to keep the cost of borrowing low, including the cost our government pays to borrow? Keeping in mind the above record bond auctions, wouldn't putting substantially more bonds on the market sharply reverse that? Are you aware of how the Federal governments debt is structured? If you are, what would even a moderate increase in their cost of borrowing do to the budget in very short order?

4. Are you implying that QE has/had absolutely no part of the sharp rise in almost every commodity since it started?
 

LegendKiller

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I am getting ready to boil some crawfish so just a few quick questions.

1. So we have finally figured out how to export more stuff but it is inflation?

2. Isn't the Fed almost the only entity purchasing large amounts of long dated bonds? Aren't we also selling record amounts of bonds just about every month, including that which is sold to the Fed? Japan just got FUBAR'd and as you state our intent is to fuck China...... who is going to buy the bonds?

3. Isn't one of the stated goals of QE to keep the cost of borrowing low, including the cost our government pays to borrow? Keeping in mind the above record bond auctions, wouldn't putting substantially more bonds on the market sharply reverse that? Are you aware of how the Federal governments debt is structured? If you are, what would even a moderate increase in their cost of borrowing do to the budget in very short order?

4. Are you implying that QE has/had absolutely no part of the sharp rise in almost every commodity since it started?

1. A natural by-product of China's peg is that they have an inability to strengthen against a weakening currency. This causes inflation and warps their capital markets. In a float they would appreciate, but now they're stuck depreciating. This floods their domestic market with currency further reinforcing the inflationary cycle.

2. If China is forced to float, the labor arbitrage takes a *HUGE* ding. You'd see jobs come back into the US on a marginal cost basis (where most manufacturing resides). This would increase our own tax revenues. I would also, simultanously, support a tax-holiday for repatration of foreign residing capital and profits. This would bring hundreds of billions back into the US.

Keep in mind, China's investment in the US is only a by-product of their peg. They peg the currency, flood the world with cheap (currency) shit and create trade surpluses. They have to do something with those dollars. They can't swap them, else the dollar crashes (and causes inflation), so their only recourse is to buy USTs or US hard assets. They learned the problem of the Japanese during the 80s, so they don't want to buy US companies/property. They stay liquid with USTs, but they also know they can't sell those, else they shoot themselves in the dick.

They can't keep the currency pegged, otherwise they die by inflation. They can't unpeg, else the export sector dies instantly. Thus, their only recourse is to keep buying USTs.

Keep in mind, the only reason why they put the peg in place was to legitimize and stabilize their own currency. This mandate became warped when they realized if the dollar depreciated they could bootstrap their economy through cheap shit (cheap mainly because the currency once all costs are realized). The political leaders and the military (which controls the manufacturers), got drunk on power/money, and now are stuck because they dug themselves this huge hole.


3. A moderate increase in costs would pressure the budget, but it would also likely result in increased tax revenues from a strengthening economy.

4. I think it has contributed but it's nowhere near a 1:1 relationship. There are also other factors, including crop yields and geopolitical issues.
 

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I am getting ready to boil some crawfish so just a few quick questions.

1. So we have finally figured out how to export more stuff but it is inflation?

2. Isn't the Fed almost the only entity purchasing large amounts of long dated bonds? Aren't we also selling record amounts of bonds just about every month, including that which is sold to the Fed? Japan just got FUBAR'd and as you state our intent is to fuck China...... who is going to buy the bonds?

3. Isn't one of the stated goals of QE to keep the cost of borrowing low, including the cost our government pays to borrow? Keeping in mind the above record bond auctions, wouldn't putting substantially more bonds on the market sharply reverse that? Are you aware of how the Federal governments debt is structured? If you are, what would even a moderate increase in their cost of borrowing do to the budget in very short order?

4. Are you implying that QE has/had absolutely no part of the sharp rise in almost every commodity since it started?

Very well said sir, you show great understanding, for sure.

I'd like to hear you give a dissertation on the ramifications of the FRB's actions, if you don't mind?

I'd like to hear what you have to say on the matter, respectfully.

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