We fooked

[yllus]

Oh, you're going to be just fine, although you really do need to cut somewhere.

 

[kylebisme]

Plus he's wrong about the euro. It was not issued at parity with the US dollar. When physical euros were actually issued, they were worth less than a dollar.

How did you come to that conclusion? My recollection, and Google Finance, suggest otherwise.

"The U.S. government spent a huge sum of money committing war crimes"

Why discredit himself when that type of accusal inflames many of us?

Yeah, things like invading countries under false pretences and torturing captives are only war crimes when other people do them, right?

 

[xj0hnx]

Plus he's wrong about the euro. It was not issued at parity with the US dollar. When physical euros were actually issued, they were worth less than a dollar.

They were worth slightly more than the dollar, and very soon after about .24 more, We were pissed because our checks went a lot further on the Mark since when they changed over there were many items that practically stayed the same price from Mark to Euro.

 

[irishScott]

From what I've heard the problem with SS was its short-sightedness. Back when it was first created people usually didn't live past 70, and it was common for families to have several kids. So people didn't collect SS for long and bred plenty of new people to perpetually support it. Nowadays however, you have people living to 80+ and have one or two kids. System just isn't built for that in its current form.

I do agree that we should moderately cut defense, but SS and Medicare need some serious reform as well, and arguably deserve to be cut.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

English! Do you speak it, motherfucker?!?!

 

[Craig234]

Sadly Obama is not on our side, he's on the side of big business and the military.

Or, big business and the military are so powerful, that Obama is showing very little can be done for the people.

When people can destroy the economy, they can make big demands of leaders for policies that benefit them. 30 years of de-regulation show the result.

 

[bfdd]

Or, big business and the military are so powerful, that Obama is showing very little can be done for the people.

When people can destroy the economy, they can make big demands of leaders for policies that benefit them. 30 years of de-regulation show the result.

the usa has not been de-regulated by any means in my life time and i'm 26. 30 years of de-regulation? right... that's why the EPA has grown in strength, why OSHA has grown in strength, why our ENTIRE federal government has GROWN in strength. you're a fucking moron craig. you preach that we need to look to the devil causing our problems to fix them. you're nothing but a brainwashed delusional idiot.

 

[CupCak3]

How did you come to that conclusion? My recollection, and Google Finance, suggest otherwise.

Do you watch a lot of Faux News?

Fail Bomb

:hmm:

 

[NoStateofMind]

English! Do you speak it, motherfucker?!?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_mDTLphIVY

 

[Craig234]

The party that tries to effect substantive changes that will provide real long term benefits will be extremely unpopular with the general public. So neither party wants to be the one that leads the way.

I generally don't believe in term limits, but implementing a temporary, single-term limit would probably allow these tough changes to be made. Otherwise, politicians are just too focused on keeping their jobs.

The problem isn't term limits - in fact, many are happy to leave office, cashing in on the favors they did. The sooner they're leaving, the more the favors make sense.

Rather, it's who can get the money to get elected, and what's waiting for them when they leave office.

When the only people who can get elected are picked by the wealthy...

 

[bfdd]

I think term limits and salary caps are the issue. Require all elected officials to disclose ALL income, wealth and assets. Cap their salary so they can't raise it and keep them from becoming rich off our tax dollars. We've elevated politicians to some god like level and it's retarded. If the people who are in office don't want to do the job for whatever we set the salary cap to, other people will.

 

[Doppel]

me: However, this is assumed by conspiracy theorists as a given, they don't seem to indicate WHY
kylebisme: The "why" is really pretty simple, perhaps you might try thinking it through on your own instead dismissing those of us who have.

That is case in point. You gave me a single quote from an old guy and then finished up with "I'll bet that helps you sleep better at night."

Here's what does make me sleep better at night: not worrying about conspiracies.

Maybe less time listening to infowars is in order. Seriously, if there is some real evidence for a grand plan that has the entire world under a single government and all of the other things globalists are supposed to want (servitude, lowered populations, who knows what else), great. But if it's just "that's what they want" and "think for yourself", sorry I am too critical a thinker for that.

I see nothing going on at a government level that cannot be explained simply with ineptitude and selfishness, proven concepts that work the world over. No need to make up bogeymen.

 

[bamacre]

Oh, you're going to be just fine, although you really do need to cut somewhere.

Can you not see the contradiction in your statement? They aren't willing to cut anywhere, and as long as that is true, we are not going to be fine.

 

[Pulsar]

You know... It is a good article, but he blows it with this line...

"The U.S. government spent a huge sum of money committing war crimes"

Why discredit himself when that type of accusal inflames many of us?

The reality is this... Either we will cut military spending, and entitlements collectively, or this nation of ours is going to go the way of the former USSR... You will have economically viable portions of this country band together and cleave themselves off one by one as the shit hits the fan. The North East can see if it can survive on it's own with it's own super high taxation, and California won't have a federal US gov't to bail it out of it's own financial mess.... ETC...

I'm 40 now and I'll probably be dead by time that would happen, but these things tend to spiral out of control quickly when they do kick off. I think we americans have a love affair with our country and it's founding as well growth over history and we'd be very reluctant to let it split up.

Cut it out Dan, stop talking sense.

I mean, it's not like the article isn't a total partisian hatchet job and tries to blame the military spending for the hole we're in while trying to ignore our social programs.

I like the idea of a safety net as much as the next person. However, it's fairly simple math when looking at the budget to understand where the US money is going. As you said, we're going to have to cut everything to make it good.

There are a lot of sadly misinformed people in this world that are trying to attribute this to one party or the other. They'll continue the partisian idiocy because they're too small minded to step up and understand that both parties are at fault and that we're going to cut EVERYTHING to make this work. It's just easier to assign blame: it's MUCH easier then trying to actually understand the problem. It's just a matter of whether we wait too long or not.

 

[wuliheron]

Can you not see the contradiction in your statement? They aren't willing to cut anywhere, and as long as that is true, we are not going to be fine.

It's high stakes poker similar to Reagan increasing the number of nukes to force the Soviets to the negotiating table. Money is power and power is money. The real question isn't are they unwilling to make cuts, but just how insane is this game going to get and how badly will people get hurt.

 

[kylebisme]

Seriously, if there is some real evidence for a grand plan that has the entire world under a single government...

Seriously, if you can't even acknowledge that one of the most wealthy and influential individuals behind that push has plainly admitted as much when presented with that fact, I doubt anything could get you to budge from your ostrich position.

 

[Doppel]

Seriously, if you can't even acknowledge that one of the most wealthy and influential individuals behind that push has plainly admitted as much when presented with that fact, I doubt anything could get you to budge from your ostrich position.

Well, geeze, is he as wealthy as Bill Gates or as influential as Paris Hilton because neither of those have said a darn thing about it. Forgive my skepticism but I am not going to be able to change my paradigm based on the statements of a single guy.

 

[kylebisme]

If you actually care to know the answer to your question, a simple Wikipedia would be a good place to start. However, I get the impression that you've fully embraced the notion that ignorance is bliss.

 

[bradley]

Under Lyndon Johnson, and a democratically controlled House and Senate, the decision was finalized to place Social Security into a trust fund for Congressional spending. Every President since Johnson has compromised the solvency of Social Security and stolen from its general funds: to pay down the national debt, fund wars, or buy pork.

Yet, the true crushing blow to the middle class was made after the passing of NAFTA/GATT, but most especially the repeal of Glass-Steagall. Still, many Americans might look at sites such as Factcheck.org and view President Clinton to be great based on the surpluses he claimed alone.

Though you want fooked? try the story after Reagan’s attempt to destabilize the ruble, his involvement with CIA operative Ambassador Leo Wanta, and the eventual accumulation of trillions, which then became a huge attraction to both Clinton and the Bushes.

Under Executive Order 12333, Wanta ‘borrowed' $250 billion from the Treasury, in order to purchase large quantities of rubles and convert them to other currencies. The plan to crash the ruble - with Wanta as lawful trustee to these secret offshore accounts - eventually amounted to a rainy day or Marshall Plan-type fund worth tens of trillions, which then became a slush fund for latter Administrations. For instance, photographic records captured Hillary Clinton using CIA documentation in order to withdraw funds from an offshore Granada account in 2003.

A Virginian federal judge ruled, in 2004, Wanta's trustee status as legally binding with the money being the rightfully property of the American people. In 2007, the account's worth was estimated by some at 70 trillion dollars. Most Americans only know parts of this story and key figures such as Vince Foster and Marc Rich for instance, but have no understanding of the extremely long and involved picture with both the Clinton and Bush Administrations.

The Story Of Leo Wanta 'The 27.5 Trillion Dollar Man'
http://www.thebigstinkguide.com/archives/wanta.htm

 

[bradley]

Or perhaps you don't like conspiracy theories involving shadowy figures? How about these more known or validated piggybank heists, both worth more than anything 'borrowed' from the Social Security trust.

9/10/2001: Rumsfeld says $2.3 TRILLION Missing from Pentagon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4GdHLUHwU

9 TRILLION Dollars Missing from Federal Reserve,Fed Inspector General Can't Explain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYNVNhB-m0o

 

[irishScott]

Oh, you're going to be just fine, although you really do need to cut somewhere.

Eventually sure, but if SS, welfare, and medicare are even touched I foresee riots. Sure a lot of people on all of the above are on it legitimately and will peacefully protest, but the ones leeching off the system will throw a very violent fit when you take away their welfare funded cable TV.

On a side note, my dad raked in over 100k/year and I grew up without cable TV. Why? Because my dad thought it was a waste of money. Now granted I don't share his views on this (never have) but if I'm ever on welfare and unemployed I'm going to be conserving what resources I have and cable TV is going right out the window. I fail to see why anyone on welfare would give two shits about their premium channels when they have to worry about food and electricity.

 

[yllus]

Can you not see the contradiction in your statement? They aren't willing to cut anywhere, and as long as that is true, we are not going to be fine.

You're on step #3 of the 10-step path to financial ruin. Portugal, Greece, Spain and even England offer you a glimpse of what's to come. None of those countries have fallen apart or are locked in civil war. It'll come, you'll cut, and you'll move on. People dramatize too much.

Eventually sure, but if SS, welfare, and medicare are even touched I foresee riots. Sure a lot of people on all of the above are on it legitimately and will peacefully protest, but the ones leeching off the system will throw a very violent fit when you take away their welfare funded cable TV.

On a side note, my dad raked in over 100k/year and I grew up without cable TV. Why? Because my dad thought it was a waste of money. Now granted I don't share his views on this (never have) but if I'm ever on welfare and unemployed I'm going to be conserving what resources I have and cable TV is going right out the window. I fail to see why anyone on welfare would give two shits about their premium channels when they have to worry about food and electricity.

While we can only hope that riots don't lead to anyone being harmed, let's put that into perspective. Riots don't mean the end of a nation. As I said, you'll be fine.

 

[Doppel]

If you actually care to know the answer to your question, a simple Wikipedia would be a good place to start. However, I get the impression that you've fully embraced the notion that ignorance is bliss.

You make a compelling case; you're a great spokesman for globalization with an inability save referencing a single quote to promote your belief in it whatsoever. I'll follow up on this right after finishing my research on the abominable snowman. I've nearly finished my research paper on the tooth fairy and will see about having it as a reference on globalization, maybe fit right in between the New World Order footnotes and the Amero.

 

[irishScott]

You're on step #3 of the 10-step path to financial ruin. Portugal, Greece, Spain and even England offer you a glimpse of what's to come. None of those countries have fallen apart or are locked in civil war. It'll come, you'll cut, and you'll move on. People dramatize too much.



While we can only hope that riots don't lead to anyone being harmed, let's put that into perspective. Riots don't mean the end of a nation. As I said, you'll be fine.

No they don't, but it could get very bad very fast. The Rodney King riots back in the 90s pushed back the LAPD to the point where the Korea-town shop owners had zero police protection, formed milita patrols and were engaging rioters in gun-fights (and many were rightfully hailed as heroes afterward). And that was over (debatable) police brutality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_armed_resistance_in_the_Los_Angeles_riots

One of the most iconic television images of the violence was a scene of two Korean merchants firing pistols repeatedly at roving looters. The New York Times said, "that the image seemed to speak of race war, and of vigilantes taking the law into their own hands."[3] "I want to make it clear that we didn't open fire first," said David Joo, manager of the gun shop. "At that time, four police cars were there. Somebody started to shoot at us. The L.A.P.D. ran away in half a second. I never saw such a fast escape. I was pretty disappointed."[3]

Defending the armed response of the Koreans, Mr. Rhyu said, "If it was your own business and your own property, would you be willing to trust it to someone else? We are glad the National Guard is here. They're good backup. But when our shops were burning we called the police every five minutes; no response."[3] Jay Rhee estimated that he and others fired 500 shots into the ground and air. "We have lost our faith in the police," he said. "Where were you when we needed you?" One of the largest armed camps in Koreatown was at the California Market. On the first night after the verdicts were returned in the trial of the four officers charged in the beating of Rodney King, Richard Rhee, the market owner, posted himself in the parking lot with about 20 armed employees.[2]

I'm just grateful for the 2nd amendment.

 

[_GTech]

Brother, I don't know about you, but I'm positive that the Government is NOT the only problem we face currently, and if you really want to learn how screwed we are, maybe you need to look at the 2010 Census report and how documented Hispanics now officially represent #2 in the National Race, that's right...

But that's only the documented legals, what about the Illegals?

I live in a city where I can verify to you that I see more hispanic stores now popping up in the last 5 years than in my entire life. They have practically taken over about 2/3rds of our city, seriously, and are even taking over Overland Park, Kansas as well.

If you don't remember what happened to Miami, then maybe you need to reconsider just how serious the influx is. But the real problem is, that's just those here in the country, many gangs & bad guys lay not far from the border, we have seen 2 deaths so far, how many more will ensue?