We all know Newt is unelectable...

[Londo_Jowo]

It was unanimously decided he won this recent debate. They even did a segment at the end asking candidates what they learned from others and they had to give him props.. I don't see why this is so hard to understand.

All of the other candidates are pretty much on the defensive for their horrible life decisions or just ignorance of things they should know.

I searched on Google and can only find supporters or Libertarian sites that state he won the debate. It's all good, we shall soon see how many votes he gets in the primaries and caucuses. When he receives single to low double digits votes that match the polls I won't be surprised.

 

[Fern]

I expect this trend to continue to Nov 2012 especially with a lead like this but I could be wrong with the Citizens United ruling.

This seems to be a common misconception on this board. The Citizens United ruling does NOT allow corporations to make campaign contributions to candidates. So, in no way could the Citizens United ruling have an effect on candidates' contribution numbers.

Fern

 

[Anarchist420]

I searched on Google and can only find supporters or Libertarian sites that state he won the debate. It's all good, we shall soon see how many votes he gets in the primaries and caucuses. When he receives single to low double digits votes that match the polls I won't be surprised.

Romney is behind him according to official polls, so that means he's ahead. All that needs to be done is more exposing of Gingrich and it's Paul 2012 all the way from there. Obama won't stand a fighting chance and what I posted on my facebook status the night McAnus lost will become true.

 

[Anarchist420]

The only ones claiming he's won any debates are either supporters or libertarians. One would think if he was winning the debates he would be the front runner in the national polls, not 3rd or 4th.

Not true. Gingrich had only 300k on hand a week ago. Romney is no longer even 2nd place. Who do you think is going to win if Dr. Paul doesn't? Gingrich wasn't even on the ballot in NH and another state as of less than a week ago.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Romney is behind him according to official polls, so that means he's ahead. All that needs to be done is more exposing of Gingrich and it's Paul 2012 all the way from there. Obama won't stand a fighting chance and what I posted on my facebook status the night McAnus lost will become true.

Really? Looks like he's running 3rd in the Iowa polls

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...owa_republican_presidential_primary-1588.html

As for beating Obama, Paul is in 4th place there as well.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Not true. Gingrich had only 300k on hand a week ago. Romney is no longer even 2nd place. Who do you think is going to win if Dr. Paul doesn't? Gingrich wasn't even on the ballot in NH and another state as of less than a week ago.

Really? You must be looking at the fantasy polls.

New Hampshire
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...ire_republican_presidential_primary-1581.html

South Carolina
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...ina_republican_presidential_primary-1590.html

 

[soundforbjt]

And he is a distant third (single digits) nationally.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

With all due respect to Dr. Paul, his supporters' willingness to suspend disbelief about his electability does him no favors. He is running to prove a point, and is doing so - good for him (seriously). That doesn't mean he's running to win or seriously believes he has any chance. I actually agree he is in many ways a better candidate than Gingrich in particular, but it doesn't matter because he will never get nominated, even if Romney and Gingrich are broadcast on live TV making sweet, sweet love.

 

[fskimospy]

Romney is behind him according to official polls, so that means he's ahead. All that needs to be done is more exposing of Gingrich and it's Paul 2012 all the way from there. Obama won't stand a fighting chance and what I posted on my facebook status the night McAnus lost will become true.

Tell me what the maximum amount of money is that you want to bet, and I will put a bet down this very instant that says Ron Paul doesn't win the Republican nomination in 2012. Please get back to me ASAP.

 

[Anarchist420]

With all due respect to Dr. Paul, his supporters' willingness to suspend disbelief about his electability does him no favors. He is running to prove a point, and is doing so - good for him (seriously). That doesn't mean he's running to win or seriously believes he has any chance. I actually agree he is in many ways a better candidate than Gingrich in particular, but it doesn't matter because he will never get nominated, even if Romney and Gingrich are broadcast on live TV making sweet, sweet love.

He's said he's in it to win this time and he doesn't lie. He said he knew he couldn't win last time, but last time he thought he could win.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

He's said he's in it to win this time and he doesn't lie. He said he knew he couldn't win last time, but last time he thought he could win.

What else is he going to say, that he doesn't expect to win? I don't really mind Paul but I would bet real money he won't win the nomination, and would actually give 2-to-1 odds.

 

[Anarchist420]

Tell me what the maximum amount of money is that you want to bet, and I will put a bet down this very instant that says Ron Paul doesn't win the Republican nomination in 2012. Please get back to me ASAP.

I'm not one who gambles. Even though I'd win, gambling can become an addiction, I'd have an illusion that I'd always win, and then I'd be on a slippery slope I don't want to go down.

Thanks for the offer though I'm a dumbass, I know, I know.

 

[Anarchist420]

What else is he going to say, that he doesn't expect to win? I don't really mind Paul but I would bet real money he won't win the nomination, and would actually give 2-to-1 odds.

He said he didn't expect to win last time, didn't he?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I'm not one who gambles. Even though I'd win, gambling can become an addiction, I'd have an illusion that I'd always win, and then I'd be on a slippery slope I don't want to go down.

Thanks for the offer though I'm a dumbass, I know, I know.

There are things other than money that can be bet (e.g., the lower putting something in his sig admitting he was wrong and the winner was right).

Do you seriously, no BS, believe Ron Paul will be the next President of the United States? I can understand optimism, but not delusional optimism. There is no way in hell this guy will ever be President.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

He said he didn't expect to win last time, didn't he?

Do you have a source for that? I don't recall him saying that during the campaign (though I don't pretend to be a big Ron Paul guy).

 

[Anarchist420]

There are things other than money that can be bet (e.g., the lower putting something in his sig admitting he was wrong and the winner was right).

Do you seriously, no BS, believe Ron Paul will be the next President of the United States? I can understand optimism, but not delusional optimism. There is no way in hell this guy will ever be President.

I think he could very well be. I don't think people could be stupid enough to nominate Gingrich.

I guess I could put it in my sig for a short while if it becomes clear to me that Dr. Paul didn't win. But I don't know that I could ever be convinced that there wasn't fraud at the ballot box.

Do you have a source for that? I don't recall him saying that during the campaign (though I don't pretend to be a big Ron Paul guy).

Not right off the top of my head, but I believe his attitude about winning changed quite a bit from the last time to this time.

He's going to win at least one primary, that's for sure. John Stossel is a lot smarter than Bill O'Reilly.

 

[cybrsage]

Newt and Obama will be found drunk together in a gay bar in DC before RP wins the Presidency...

 

[yhelothar]

Don Vito: So what do you think the American public looks for in terms of foreign policy in a candidate?

 

[disappoint]

I wouldn't say he's a flat-out communist. He hasn't suggested anything approaching total confiscation of private property like FDR. He's more of a Hitler/Mussolini Fascist in that he wants to use government power and regulations to force the private sector to act according to his will.

Yeah because deregulation worked out so well hasn't it? Enron, Worldcom, Global Crossing, Fannie and Freddie, Tyco, play with you like a child plays with his toys.

 

[janas19]

Mark my words, the only conservative candidate in the field who stands a chance against an incumbent Obama, polling aside, is Mitt Romney, and I'll tell you why. Most people in presidential elections have already decided to vote conservative or liberal. These people already know in advance and there's no changing that, no matter who is on the ballot. The real deciding factor, then, comes down to the "undecided" voters who don't have a strong political creed. It is these voters who will choose a candidate not on political principle, but on what is said. And I guarantee you that Mitt Romney stands a much better chance to win the votes of these undecided voters with his mainstream appeal than the zany Gingrich. That is why if the GOP has any sense, they will support Romney's bid over the candidate which the Tea Party likes. Sorry, a candidate the Tea Party loves will never win a presidential election. Romney isn't well liked by the far right, but he's their best shot in my opinion.

Ron Paul doesn't stand a chance. The dark horse to look out for is Rick Santorum, imo.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Don Vito: So what do you think the American public looks for in terms of foreign policy in a candidate?

Modernly, someone who is vocal about being tough on terror and who maintains a substantial military and the willingness to deploy it. Certainly I think most Republicans embrace some form of neoconservatism in that way. Even among Democrats, Ron Paul's laissez-faire approach is more than I think most can bear. He is reminiscent of Neville Chamberlain in that way.

 

[janas19]

Modernly, someone who is vocal about being tough on terror and who maintains a substantial military and the willingness to deploy it. Certainly I think most Republicans embrace some form of neoconservatism in that way. Even among Democrats, Ron Paul's laissez-faire approach is more than I think most can bear. He is reminiscent of Neville Chamberlain in that way.

That's basically how Republicans win elections, in a nutshell. "These people are dangerous, and we need someone to protect America, and if you vote for a Democrat we'll be vulnerable to attack."

That's not everything, granted, but it is a HUGE thing.

 

[janas19]

I think he could very well be. I don't think people could be stupid enough to nominate Gingrich.

I guess I could put it in my sig for a short while if it becomes clear to me that Dr. Paul didn't win. But I don't know that I could ever be convinced that there wasn't fraud at the ballot box.

Not right off the top of my head, but I believe his attitude about winning changed quite a bit from the last time to this time.

He's going to win at least one primary, that's for sure. John Stossel is a lot smarter than Bill O'Reilly.

Are you that ass who started the denying Japanese war crimes thread? Does anyone give a shit about your opinion?

 

[Theb]

http://www.thestatecolumn.com/iowa/ron-paul-wins-drake-university-straw-poll/
Secure online poll just for the university students. Ron Paul wins...
http://www.examiner.com/libertarian...wins-iowa-debate-only-consistent-conservative
"...As of this morning 72.5% of those polled after last night's debate said they wanted to hear more from Ron Paul, 74% feel Ron Paul came out on top during the debate."

http://www.topix.com/issue/fox/gop-debate-aug11

Ron Paul with almost 90%, of course, it is the largest online GOP gallup poll... So I know everyone will jump in and say it doesn't matter at all. They will claim that some Ron Paul supporters voted 30 thousand times out of the 47 thousand votes.

Deja Vu http://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/ron_paul_demolishes_other_republicans_in_online_polls/ (note the date of the post, before you get excited)

 

[Lemon law]

IMHO, janus19 is a total idiot for asserting, "Most people in presidential elections have already decided to vote conservative or liberal." The biggest piece of bullshit
I have recently heard.

When the fact is and remains, we voters decide on Presidents because we hope they will guess right on the issues and because they are likable. GWB may have been more likable than Al Gore in 2000, even if neither of them had a track record. By the end of 2008, GWB bet wrong so many times, he could not get elected dog catcher anywhere in the country.

2008 was a slam dunk democratic year, and Hillary by all rights should have won. But Hillary had bet wrong on the Iraq war, and Obama bet right.

But I state as a democrat, Obama has been a dissapointment with the backbone of a chocalate eclair. As trying to compromise with the GOP has been part of his demise.

Nominally we would expect 2012 to be a GOP Potus year, until we look at the turds the GOP has put up. Compared to the very best Turd the GOP has come up with, Obama is the only remaining choice. Its not a matter of conservative or liberal, its a matter that every GOP candidate is totally unacceptable. As the other problem comes up, the GOP leadership is far far far further to the right of the GOP electorate. In 2008 it resulted in McCain winning the most votes in only the GOP primary. In 2012, Huntsman may be the only GOP candidate that can go head to head with Obama, but Huntsman probably will not win the GOP primaries. Leaving Obama almost certainly the 2012 POTUS victor.

The real 2012 battle will be in the House and Senate elections, where both parties are equally unpopular with trust ratings of only 10%. There is no conservate liberal joy to be found when both ideolgies live in the same repulsive sewer.

Face the facts. America will continue to decline until both parties learn to operate as a team and end the grid lock.