WCG Christmas, errr, December Race(s) 2017

[Markfw]

What monitoring program is in use? CPUiD hardware monitor breaks down the temp for each of the 12 cores, and an overall package temp. If the individual core temps are ok, then I would cast a suspicious eye at the 'package' temp. I'm wondering if, as a non-supported chip (but working, none-the-less), if the sensors are being read incorrectly or something.

Only two things to try, 1.) elevate the motherboard off the cardboard, and 2.) swap coolers?

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In other news, ThunderStrike's new motherboard arrived today, untracked. And guess what I forgot to remove from the old motherboard before sending it in? Again. Yep, the Intel standoffs that mount to the motherboard, and allow me to attach my CoolerMaster 212 EVO heatsinks. ///slaps forehead repeatedly......with a ball bat/// For testing, I have managed to steal the set from the cooler on my AMD board with triple GTX1070, and only use two each per processor on the new board.

I got a set of those from somewhere on the net for $10

 

[Markfw]

So how do you tell if its throttling ? I think somebody posted a tool about that.

 

[crashtech]

...In other news, ThunderStrike's new motherboard arrived today, untracked. And guess what I forgot to remove from the old motherboard before sending it in? Again. Yep, the Intel standoffs that mount to the motherboard, and allow me to attach my CoolerMaster 212 EVO heatsinks. ///slaps forehead repeatedly......with a ball bat/// For testing, I have managed to steal the set from the cooler on my AMD board with triple GTX1070, and only use two each per processor on the new board.

If you feel like posting a good photo of the parts in question, it's possible I have some of those. Most of my 212 EVOs have gone on 1150/1151 boards, which use a different standoff.

 

[TennesseeTony]

Only the 2011 socket uses the short ones, maybe 4mm tall (not counting the threaded shaft). BUT, I'm actually making due at the moment, only at 42C on CPU2 and 50C on CPU1 running WCG and Folding on ThunderStrike v2.0 (finally). You will possibly need those in the future, as you grow to higher density?

 

[VirtualLarry]

Ok, so, what's this WCG race going on? Now that NiceHash got hacked, and is kaput, I can put my Ryzen 5 1600 rigs on WCG, and my GPUs on F@H, for Dec., it seems. Fill me in, are there any specific sub-projects to WCG I need to run?

 

[crashtech]

Only the 2011 socket uses the short ones, maybe 4mm tall (not counting the threaded shaft). BUT, I'm actually making due at the moment, only at 42C on CPU2 and 50C on CPU1 running WCG and Folding on ThunderStrike v2.0 (finally). You will possibly need those in the future, as you grow to higher density?

Yeah, my plan is to eventually replace all the quad cores with higher core count CPUs. Not in the near term, though, I'll be paying for the stuff I just bought for a while. Sounds like you are doing okay without the extras. Probably a good thing ThunderStrike's motherboard is horizontally mounted. I've run machines just by slapping a HSF on with TIM and no hardware at all, at least for testing.

 

[crashtech]

Ok, so, what's this WCG race going on? Now that NiceHash got hacked, and is kaput, I can put my Ryzen 5 1600 rigs on WCG, and my GPUs on F@H, for Dec., it seems. Fill me in, are there any specific sub-projects to WCG I need to run?

They're all fair game. I don't think you have to do anything special, just crunch away!

 

[Markfw]

So I just got a E5-2658v3 ES chip. Its only running 2.3 ghz in turno mode with 12 cores. My E5-2683v3 retail chips are running 60c with the same cooler, but this one is running 90c ! Any ideas ? 0.87 vcore/vid Its a Coolermaster 612 v2, a really good HSF. I can't believe its really doing that. Its this chip: (screen shots)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/14-Intel-Xeon-E5-2658-v3-ES-QEYP-2-2GHz-12C-LGA2011-3-Compatible-X99-i7-6950X/232546047651?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2648

Its not even in a case now ! and ambient temp is about 70f. Its on a cardboard box

OK, you can all laugh, because I am. And I am dead serious. I should never start a build until I have had at least 3 beers. The problem was that I had not removed the plastic cover from the bottom of the HSF out of the box, I was going too fast and cold sober. I need to slow down, and have a few beers before I start to build. After 9 beers and going to bed, it struck me, and sure enough that was it. Removing the plastic went from 91c to 58c max.

Please have a good laugh at my expense, I deserve it.

So I have 266 current tasks running (threads)

 

[VirtualLarry]

Nice one Mark! Glad you got that straightened out.

I've fired up my main Ryzen R5 1600 box, got 10 threads on WCG, and just a single GPU slot on my RX 570 4GB. Looks like 200,000PPD for F@H? Seems quite a bit lower than the GTX1060 3GB in the other box, even though the CPU in this box should be stronger, and both of those GPUs are similar capability in gaming, but it seems like F@H really loves NV cards...

Edit: That's at a -15% power adjustment in WattMan, which is what I needed for mining, to keep my machine / GPU from crashing. Maybe I can ease that up for Folding? Or is it a good idea to keep a power limit for Folding@Home as well?

Edit: Black-screen crash! Ugh! I've clocked my Ryzen R5 1600 back to stock, and am running at a -10% power limit in WattMan, fired things back up, hopefully, they won't crash again.

I find Ryzen gets unstable overclocking anything over stock, it seems, under heavy load. Or maybe, I've got one of the early models, with a bug, and I can get it replaced by AMD under warranty... well, maybe not, since I've overclocked it.

Edit: My HP Wal-Mart special with i5-7400 and GTX1060 3GB card, running solely F@H right now, is running at 82C on the video card, which I believe is higher than NV's current Pascal cards like to run. (I believe they throttle at 80C.)

Hmm, I wonder if NVidia has any kind of power-limit thing in their Control Panel? Fan speed is 62-63%, but strangely, doesn't seem to be ramping up, but Core freq. appears to be throttling.

 

[StefanR5R]

Ok, so, what's this WCG race going on? Now that NiceHash got hacked, and is kaput, I can put my Ryzen 5 1600 rigs on WCG, and my GPUs on F@H, for Dec., it seems. Fill me in, are there any specific sub-projects to WCG I need to run?

What @crashtech said. Though after a while you could check on the credits per runtime of the WUs you got and narrow down to what works best on your systems. Across all WCG contributors, all subprojects give quite similar PPD, surely by design: https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/stat/viewProjects.do (Go to the pages of the individual projects, then look at "points per hour of run time".) But those PPD are only the average over all participating hosts; it will look somewhat different on a given individual host. On Linux, the subprojects which use the vina code base (SCC, OZ, OET...) give above average credits per hour per core.

Along the Christmas Race until December 25, we are also registered in the following challenges which are going on until December 31. (Except LLBXS which ended already.)

There are a number of races in World Community Grid going on:

In the LLBXS78765 race we are #1 among 45 teams,
In the Christmas race we are #3 among 40 teams,
In the Dec 2017 By-points All-projects we are #3 among 53 teams,
In the Dec 2017 By-results All-projects we are #2 among 49 teams,
In the Dec 2017 By-time All-projects we are #3 among 48 teams,
In the Dollars Run we are #2 among 49 teams,
In the S#C 2017DecCancerFight we are #1 among 29 teams.

Quite a good result, isn't it?

BTW: here are all the current challenges/races:

All subprojects are counted in each of these challenges, with the exception of DecCancerFight. That one is limited to Mapping Cancer Markers.

 

[ao_ika_red]

plastic cover from the bottom of the HSF out of the box

This is not a one-off problem,tbh. A lot of people at some point had this issue. If only HSF manufacturers have a coloured plastic to cover its contact point, that would be great.
Speaking of CPU, I managed to snatch Athlon 845 from stock clearing event here. It won't have better performance, but at least I don't have to be sweaty anymore through the night.

 

[TennesseeTony]

..... running at 82C on the video card, which I believe is higher than NV's current Pascal cards like to run. (I believe they throttle at 80C.)

Hmm, I wonder if NVidia has any kind of power-limit thing in their Control Panel? Fan speed is 62-63%, but strangely, doesn't seem to be ramping up, but Core freq. appears to be throttling.

If Linux, try the method by hiigaran in the guide: https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/guide-linux-mint-18-3-cinnamon-with-nvidia-gpu-s.2528920/

 

[StefanR5R]

As always, you get previous day's stats with the 12 hour delay that the WCG web server is taking for challenge stats updates, plus my own latency. Which today included a delivery guy ringing, bringing more parts for future folding...

Spoiler: Christmas Race 2017 stats, Wednesday, December 6

Rank    Team                                             Score    3-day avg.    Wed, Dec 6    Tue, Dec 5    Mon, Dec 4    Sun, Dec 3    Sat, Dec 2    Fri, Dec 1
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1       HardOCP                                     99,403,045    14,534,308    14,386,620    14,590,639    14,625,666    14,140,557    15,141,949    26,517,614
2       Team China                                  96,787,338    15,790,627    15,346,158    15,585,137    16,440,585    16,329,877    16,192,052    16,893,529
3  -->  TeAm AnandTech                              29,473,053     3,998,768     4,866,284     4,022,767     3,107,254     4,450,246     5,535,110     7,491,392
4       Team Andrax                                 15,825,384     2,643,438     2,575,485     2,539,397     2,815,432     2,645,391     2,547,757     2,701,922
5       UK                                          13,580,003     2,207,154     2,225,778     2,121,178     2,274,506     2,073,122     2,371,696     2,513,723
6       SNURK and friends                           10,738,941     1,767,344     1,717,011     1,778,759     1,806,261     1,780,539     1,840,176     1,816,195
7       MyOnlineTeam                                 7,960,983     1,324,264     1,316,547     1,309,480     1,346,764     1,325,133     1,335,162     1,327,897
8       BRASIL - BRAZIL@GRID                         5,929,417     1,068,776     1,090,004     1,028,106     1,088,218       870,170       888,051       964,868
9       SETIKAH@KOREA                                3,736,459       665,567       661,159       636,243       699,300       605,266       562,602       571,889
10      Vulture Central III                          3,172,433       519,299       485,104       532,900       539,894       552,343       536,809       525,383
11      Kraland                                      2,418,011       404,736       410,433       385,603       418,173       407,950       375,436       420,416
12      top40.nl                                     1,899,060       421,939       500,554       427,642       337,621       276,301       187,665       169,277
13      Chicago-IL-USA                               1,668,761       261,357       264,829       247,461       271,781       269,377       309,215       306,098
14      SeriousCrunchers                             1,580,846       410,681       496,379       358,990       376,675       348,802             0          n.a.
15      CHINA BOINC                                    907,954       146,806       156,179       153,036       131,204       171,493       145,741       150,301
16      Liverpool Community Grid                       627,104        71,556        57,075        69,397        88,197       106,242       155,402       150,791
17      Special: Off-Topic                             555,240        77,325        93,322        74,784        63,868        89,752        88,156       145,358
18      Abstract Media                                 526,859        85,881        80,529        86,818        90,297        94,333        91,173        83,709
19      UCSB Active                                    523,574        95,609        93,633       103,264        89,930        87,334        81,883        67,530
20      NULL-A                                         427,313        75,426        76,449        71,090        78,740        50,046        69,155        81,833
21      Sweden#Crunch                                  390,946        63,670        62,987        65,266        62,756        66,018        65,710        68,209
22      BOINC@Malaysia                                 361,805        65,906        69,047        72,666        56,004        48,844        53,483        61,761
23      Bird Conservation                              314,778        48,956        40,631        58,314        47,922        52,181        57,527        58,203
24      Naked for the World                            296,069        40,144        40,712        24,769        54,951        24,600        96,193        54,844
25      oliopur78                                      216,314        36,701        29,993        40,004        40,107        29,660        26,133        50,417
26      World Bus LTD                                  204,568        37,450        35,217        37,213        39,920        32,445        29,741        30,032
27      ALSACE COMMUNITY GRID                          143,887        22,869        23,529        23,718        21,360        27,639        21,837        25,804
28      Just Me                                        136,225        23,275        22,262        24,073        23,491        23,356        20,645        22,398
29      BOINC@TOKYO                                    134,180        15,220        11,274        15,402        18,984        36,941        22,099        29,480
30      STUDIO Mia                                     124,107        16,104        15,464        17,590        15,257        23,389        29,344        23,063
31      ACOLISYS (Campinas-SP / Brazil)                105,641        19,866        19,367        18,554        21,677        16,489        11,048        18,506
32      ProjectArea51                                   97,148        17,525        23,652        18,231        10,692        16,354        13,485        14,734
33      Harbin University of Science and Technology     90,582        15,004        16,027        14,533        14,452        15,462        13,347        16,761
34      Day drive                                       89,301        14,641        14,559        14,977        14,387        13,927        13,464        17,987
35      UTAR Malaysia                                   88,265        13,407        13,014        14,764        12,443        24,407        13,784         9,853
36      BOINC@Pfalz                                     80,596        13,909         7,718        18,526        15,482        16,590        13,021         9,259
37      SHANGHAI 2009                                   76,013        12,767        15,156        13,215         9,931        14,078        10,180        13,453
38      Aussie Helpers                                  18,436         4,467         3,408         3,412         6,581         3,162           474         1,399
39      kuegmi                                          10,981         1,794         1,725         1,816         1,840         1,469         1,784         2,347
40      Crunchers4Life                                   3,639           594           344           599           839            0            675         1,182
41      kouro                                                0             0             0             0             0            0              0             0

All current challenges: Our rankings are unchanged from Monday (post #35).

Per-user stats: see our free-dc WCG page

Meanwhile, [H]ard|OCP are busy recruiting, and scouring their basements for old forgotten quad cores to keep Team China at bay.

 

[ao_ika_red]

Anybody mind to share their MIP task duration? Especially one that just downloaded for last 24 hours. I am baffled because after swapping my CPU last night, it went from about 1.5 hrs to 3.5 hrs.

 

[Markfw]

MIP ? The only tasks I have running are mapping cancer markers and smash childhood cancer. About 270 tasks.

 

[TennesseeTony]

I would say 1.5 hours is average for MIP.

 

[ao_ika_red]

I would say 1.5 hours is average for MIP.

1.5 of yours should be translated into 2-2.5hrs for me. It is preliminary result, though. I hope it will be stabilised in coming days.

In other story, I manage to slash about 1 hour in MCM and about 20 mins in OET. Now I just have to wait 2-3 days to get clearer picture. But one thing for sure, I had better sleep last night because it's less noisy and expel lesser heat than the 860k.

 

[pandemonium]

Anybody mind to share their MIP task duration? Especially one that just downloaded for last 24 hours. I am baffled because after swapping my CPU last night, it went from about 1.5 hrs to 3.5 hrs.

Of the 18 validated tasks my 5820k@4.2GHz has had in the last couple of days, the average is 1.235 hours per task: between 0.76 - 1.85.

 

[crashtech]

@ao_ika_red , My MIP WU times are all over the place. I'd need to take a page of them, eliminate the obvious outliers, and average them. Is there a particular CPU you have in mind? My Skylakes can get as low as .6 hour, my Westmeres as high as 3.0 hours.

 

[ao_ika_red]

@ao_ika_red , My MIP WU times are all over the place. I'd need to take a page of them, eliminate the obvious outliers, and average them. Is there a particular CPU you have in mind? My Skylakes can get as low as .6 hour, my Westmeres as high as 3.0 hours.

My old cpu (Athlon 860k) could go as low as 45 mins and 1hr45min in other spectrum. The new one (Athlon 845), based on last 24hrs run, consistently hit 3+hrs mark.

edit: Another thought: this 845 cpu has 2MB less of L2 cache compared to 860k. Will it somehow cripple its MIP performance? Because as far as I can tell, the problem is only isolated to MIP, meanwhile other WCG sub-projects enjoy substatial boost.

 

[StefanR5R]

I measured MIP in November on E5-2696v4 @ 2.8GHz, Windows 7.
120 tasks measured,
1.32 h average, edit: 554 BOINC credits/day/thread average,
0.55...2.35 h min...max,
0.70...2.04 h 5-percentile...95-percentile,
0.39 h standard deviation

 

[StefanR5R]

Extra-delayed stats because I worked out of town today.

Spoiler: Christmas Race 2017 stats, Thursday, December 7

Rank    Team                                              Score    3-day avg.    Thu, Dec 7    Wed, Dec 6    Tue, Dec 5    Mon, Dec 4    Sun, Dec 3    Sat, Dec 2    Fri, Dec 1
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1       HardOCP                                     115,414,646    14,996,287    16,011,601    14,386,620    14,590,639    14,625,666    14,140,557    15,141,949    26,517,614
2       Team China                                  112,203,257    15,449,071    15,415,919    15,346,158    15,585,137    16,440,585    16,329,877    16,192,052    16,893,529
3  -->  TeAm AnandTech                               33,108,466     4,174,821     3,635,413     4,866,284     4,022,767     3,107,254     4,450,246     5,535,110     7,491,392
4       Team Andrax                                  18,459,774     2,583,091     2,634,390     2,575,485     2,539,397     2,815,432     2,645,391     2,547,757     2,701,922
5       UK                                           15,865,779     2,210,911     2,285,776     2,225,778     2,121,178     2,274,506     2,073,122     2,371,696     2,513,723
6       SNURK and friends                            12,518,589     1,758,473     1,779,648     1,717,011     1,778,759     1,806,261     1,780,539     1,840,176     1,816,195
7       MyOnlineTeam                                  9,254,902     1,306,649     1,293,919     1,316,547     1,309,480     1,346,764     1,325,133     1,335,162     1,327,897
8       BRASIL - BRAZIL@GRID                          7,026,546     1,071,746     1,097,129     1,090,004     1,028,106     1,088,218       870,170       888,051       964,868
9       SETIKAH@KOREA                                 4,340,171       633,705       603,712       661,159       636,243       699,300       605,266       562,602       571,889
10      Vulture Central III                           3,731,413       525,661       558,980       485,104       532,900       539,894       552,343       536,809       525,383
11      Kraland                                       2,879,958       419,328       461,947       410,433       385,603       418,173       407,950       375,436       420,416
12      top40.nl                                      2,424,198       484,445       525,138       500,554       427,642       337,621       276,301       187,665       169,277
13      SeriousCrunchers                              2,089,105       454,543       508,259       496,379       358,990       376,675       348,802             0          n.a.
14      Chicago-IL-USA                                1,916,097       253,209       247,336       264,829       247,461       271,781       269,377       309,215       306,098
15      CHINA BOINC                                   1,121,490       174,250       213,536       156,179       153,036       131,204       171,493       145,741       150,301
16      Liverpool Community Grid                        680,449        59,939        53,345        57,075        69,397        88,197       106,242       155,402       150,791
17      Special: Off-Topic                              674,647        95,838       119,407        93,322        74,784        63,868        89,752        88,156       145,358
18      UCSB Active                                     633,265       102,196       109,691        93,633       103,264        89,930        87,334        81,883        67,530
19      Abstract Media                                  597,020        79,169        70,161        80,529        86,818        90,297        94,333        91,173        83,709
20      NULL-A                                          501,632        73,953        74,319        76,449        71,090        78,740        50,046        69,155        81,833
21      Sweden#Crunch                                   459,822        65,710        68,876        62,987        65,266        62,756        66,018        65,710        68,209
22      BOINC@Malaysia                                  447,686        75,865        85,881        69,047        72,666        56,004        48,844        53,483        61,761
23      Bird Conservation                               351,532        45,233        36,754        40,631        58,314        47,922        52,181        57,527        58,203
24      Naked for the World                             334,618        34,677        38,549        40,712        24,769        54,951        24,600        96,193        54,844
25      World Bus LTD                                   243,532        37,131        38,964        35,217        37,213        39,920        32,445        29,741        30,032
26      oliopur78                                       240,832        31,505        24,518        29,993        40,004        40,107        29,660        26,133        50,417
27      ALSACE COMMUNITY GRID                           168,856        24,072        24,969        23,529        23,718        21,360        27,639        21,837        25,804
28      Just Me                                         161,466        23,859        25,241        22,262        24,073        23,491        23,356        20,645        22,398
29      STUDIO Mia                                      154,857        21,268        30,750        15,464        17,590        15,257        23,389        29,344        23,063
30      BOINC@TOKYO                                     147,588        13,361        13,408        11,274        15,402        18,984        36,941        22,099        29,480
31      ACOLISYS (Campinas-SP / Brazil)                 123,716        18,665        18,075        19,367        18,554        21,677        16,489        11,048        18,506
32      ProjectArea51                                   110,755        18,497        13,607        23,652        18,231        10,692        16,354        13,485        14,734
33      Harbin University of Science and Technology     102,441        14,140        11,859        16,027        14,533        14,452        15,462        13,347        16,761
34      Day drive                                       100,430        13,555        11,129        14,559        14,977        14,387        13,927        13,464        17,987
35      UTAR Malaysia                                    96,203        11,905         7,938        13,014        14,764        12,443        24,407        13,784         9,853
36      BOINC@Pfalz                                      92,412        12,687        11,816         7,718        18,526        15,482        16,590        13,021         9,259
37      SHANGHAI 2009                                    81,371        11,243         5,358        15,156        13,215         9,931        14,078        10,180        13,453
38      Aussie Helpers                                   21,104         3,163         2,668         3,408         3,412         6,581         3,162           474         1,399
39      kuegmi                                           12,763         1,774         1,782         1,725         1,816         1,840         1,469         1,784         2,347
40      Crunchers4Life                                    4,281           528           642           344           599           839             0           675         1,182
41      kouro                                                 0             0             0             0             0             0             0             0             0

All current challenges: Our rankings are unchanged from Monday (post #35).

Per-user stats: see our free-dc WCG page

[H]ard|OCP's output on Thursday exceeded Team China's.

 

[Skillz]

We just might take 1st in this after all. Still a LONG way to go though!

 

[ao_ika_red]

Thanks for the stats, Stefan. While [H] is still within China's firing range, we're just hanging in no man's land territory.

I measured MIP in November on E5-2696v4 @ 2.8GHz, Windows 7.
120 tasks measured,
1.32 h average, edit: 554 BOINC credits/day/thread average,
0.55...2.35 h min...max,
0.70...2.04 h 5-percentile...95-percentile,
0.39 h standard deviation

Well, after some feedback, I think the consensus is about 1.5 hrs for MIP. If mine still gets 3 hrs in the next download batch, I will ditch MIP.

 

[StefanR5R]

we're just hanging in no man's land territory

We may be able to go from 3rd to 2nd at Dec 2017 By-results All-projects.