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[wccftech] rumor: amd hawaii benchmarked in 3dmark11 firestrike AMD attacks titan

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Who cares? The price point that matter most is way below $600, and yes I'm still talking about enthusiasts. I couldn't care less what they release for that prices, its the sub-$450 category that 90% of us will still consider.
 
Tempered81 said:
If Seronx is correct, the new AMD single GPU card will be faster than a 7990.
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So we're supposed to take the word of some random guy on the forum? How would he know? Does he have actual inside information? Unless they can collaborate their information with a source I think it's best to just ignore it.

I do expect the next gen AMD part to nip at the heels of the Titan or match it, but faster than the 7990 in terms of framerates (I won't even get into the framepacing argument)? Sounds like wishful thinking. In terms of raw FPS numbers the 7990 is going to be hard to match, I just can't see that happening.
 
Tempered81 said:
These are the specs of the high-end single GPU?
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Yes, I think.
Tempered81 said:
Hawaii is the code name for the dual card 7990 successor?
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It might be New Zealand or Hawai'i, I have a strong inclination for Hawai'i.
Tempered81 said:
The next chip is 20nm?
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TSMC 20-nm SoC/GlobalFoundries 20-nm LPM/GlobalFoundries 22-nm HPP <-- one of these.
Tempered81 said:
Where the heck do u get this info?
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A martian supercomputer that has 4096 ZISC neurons.
Tempered81 said:
Whats the die size, TCP, TDP, z stencil?
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370-400 mm², TCP/IP?, 290 Watts, 268.8 Z-stencil Gpixel/s
Tempered81 said:
If this is true, it'll smash titan.
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GM104 which is still in the design specification phase might be better. So no matter what VI performs like wait for Maxwell.
 
Dude, no offense, but can you post a source or something? How is anyone supposed this remotely believable when you don't post a source to collaborate your information?
 
NostaSeronx said:
Yes, I think.It might be New Zealand or Hawai'i, I have a strong inclination for Hawai'i.TSMC 20-nm SoC/GlobalFoundries 20-nm LPM/GlobalFoundries 22-nm HPP <-- one of these.A martian supercomputer that has 4096 ZISC neurons. 370-400 mm², TCP/IP?, 290 Watts, 268.8 Z-stencil Gpixel/sGM104 which is still in the design specification phase might be better. So no matter what VI performs like wait for Maxwell.
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Case in point, Hawaii is single GPU, gemini board is.... let's say slightly Italian :sneaky: Yet again, the "random facts from PDF's that he can't mention" bandit strikes again.
 
blackened23 said:
Dude, no offense, but can you post a source or something? How is anyone supposed this remotely believable when you don't post a source to collaborate your information?
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Haha it's fun to believe that. I'm skeptical but it sounds plausible. If AMD is on 28nm, then it's 7970ghz+30%, if they are on 20nm and SeronX is right with his sweet information, then it's 7970ghz+90%. Full lineup on new node a first for AMD?

You know the first info we got from Kepler was that the GK104 was 3000 3dmark and the GK100/110 was 4500 3dmark. That turned out to be spot on and was 3 months before 'GTX680' came out.

Seems like Cypress & Juniper full line up came out at once on 40nm node, but didn't they have a 4770 40nm test card or something before that? And Bonaire is 28nm.

Here's hoping for Seronx's specs to be true. 6 months later GM100 or GM110 gonna spank that Maui XT. Heheh Awesome news Seronx, thanks for posting.
 
sushiwarrior said:
Case in point, Hawaii is single GPU, gemini board is.... let's say slightly Italian :sneaky: Yet again, the "random facts from PDF's that he can't mention" bandit strikes again.
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Vesuvius is the dual-GPU solution since it goes under the same device ID in the driver, iirc. The mount Vesuv(ius) is in Italy 😉
 
Tempered81 said:
Haha it's fun to believe that. I'm skeptical but it sounds plausible. If AMD is on 28nm, then it's 7970ghz+30%, if they are on 20nm and SeronX is right with his sweet information, then it's 7970ghz+90%. Full lineup on new node a first for AMD?

You know the first info we got from Kepler was that the GK104 was 3000 3dmark and the GK100/110 was 4500 3dmark. That turned out to be spot on and was 3 months before 'GTX680' came out.

Seems like Cypress & Juniper full line up came out at once on 40nm node, but didn't they have a 4770 40nm test card or something before that? And Bonaire is 28nm.

Here's hoping for Seronx's specs to be true. 6 months later GM100 or GM110 gonna spank that Maui XT. Heheh Awesome news Seronx, thanks for posting.
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Seronx has posted similar information in the CPU forum and his sources are supposedly random PDF files that he finds. I don't think Seronx has inside information. And that's why i'm asking - since he doesn't seem to be an insider, post something to collaborate that information. In the meantime, the poster at chiphell has a pretty good batting average as that same user has provided leaks many times in the past that has proven accurate. But he doesn't have performance figures for the Hawaii yet.
 
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NostaSeronx said:
Yes, I think.It might be New Zealand or Hawai'i, I have a strong inclination for Hawai'i.TSMC 20-nm SoC/GlobalFoundries 20-nm LPM/GlobalFoundries 22-nm HPP <-- one of these.A martian supercomputer that has 4096 ZISC neurons. 370-400 mm², TCP/IP?, 290 Watts, 268.8 Z-stencil Gpixel/sGM104 which is still in the design specification phase might be better. So no matter what VI performs like wait for Maxwell.
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Whats core & mem clocks for Maui?
 
Tempered81 said:
Whats core & mem clocks for Maui?
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Up to 1.05 GHz and up to 7 GHz
blackened23 said:
Seronx has posted similar information in the CPU forum and his sources are supposedly random PDF files that he finds. I don't think Seronx has inside information. And that's why i'm asking - since he doesn't seem to be an insider, post something to collaborate that information. In the meantime, the poster at chiphell has a pretty good batting average as that same user has provided leaks many times in the past that has proven accurate. But he doesn't have performance figures for the Hawaii yet.
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I do not own AMD Stock nor do I try to actively get into AMD or its competitors. I'm not insider for anybody or anything, and I hope it stays that way.

Most if not all presentations from AMD to various individuals are recorded in PDF or JPEG/PNG format. The PDF versions are mostly released after the NDA expires. The JPEG/PNG versions are either snapshots of the presentations or snapshots from the PDF file before the NDA expires.
 
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boxleitnerb said:
Why would AMD use 7 Gbps memory if they already use a 512-bit interface? Seems overkill to me.
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assuming seronx is right:

87.5% more shaders
100% more rops
33.3% more bandwidth @6ghz vs 55.5% more bandwidth @7ghz

even though the 7970 has a lot of bandwidth, that thing might be unbalanced, so 55.5% increase in bandwidth seems like a smart choice.
 
NostaSeronx said:
Up to 1.05 GHz and up to 7 GHzI do not own AMD Stock nor do I try to actively get into AMD or its competitors. I'm not insider for anybody or anything, and I hope it stays that way.

Most if not all presentations from AMD to various individuals are recorded in PDF or JPEG/PNG format. The PDF versions are mostly released after the NDA expires. The JPEG/PNG versions are either snapshots of the presentations or snapshots from the PDF file before the NDA expires.
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Well, keep guessing I suppose, you're not throwing this out there as valid info are you? :|
 
I'm inclined to believe sushiwarrior's posts more than NostaSeronx's, just from the perspective that it seems more realistic.

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Going all out with a triple-slot DirectCU II cooler on the 9970 will be fun.
 
cmdrdredd said:
How do you know this for a fact when the game is not released? Also the benchmarks from the alpha didn't show any gimping.
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There were benchmarks from alpha that showed ram usage. Being a few hundred megs under what you need won't cause bad FPS, but it will cause the occasional skip, glitch etc. That really annoying when it happens every 20 seconds or so. These things don't show up on benchmark graphs because the GPUs are still pulling their weight. Had this issue with BF3 and gtx 570's and I expect the same with 670's and BF4.

EDIT: Issue was especially bad when zooming in and out with sniper rifle. An issue like this and it quickly becomes a sniper rofl, something i'll pay hard cash to remedy.
 
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NostaSeronx said:
Yes, I think.It might be New Zealand or Hawai'i, I have a strong inclination for Hawai'i. TSMC 20-nm SoC/GlobalFoundries 20-nm LPM/GlobalFoundries 22-nm HPP <-- one of these.
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Why would they even consider mobile processes such as LPM? Why give an answer as wise as "below 28nm, you choose" if you don't know?
 
moonbogg said:
There were benchmarks from alpha that showed ram usage. Being a few hundred megs under what you need won't cause bad FPS, but it will cause the occasional skip, glitch etc. That really annoying when it happens every 20 seconds or so. These things don't show up on benchmark graphs because the GPUs are still pulling their weight. Had this issue with BF3 and gtx 570's and I expect the same with 670's and BF4.

EDIT: Issue was especially bad when zooming in and out with sniper rifle. An issue like this and it quickly becomes a sniper rofl, something i'll pay hard cash to remedy.
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And you can provide links to people actually playing the game that say "the benchmarks lie"? Cause it also is showing you the minimums. With a GTX 690 which is only 2GB anyway (same as standard SLI 670s/680s) It's getting minimums of 58. That really doesn't scream "The fps is dipping too low".
 
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All bashing/biases/opinion aside, I think having a reasonably priced Titan alternative is nice.

I still find it surprising that there's conflicting information between whether or not it's 20nm or 28nm. Isn't this sort of a big deal/significant in the sense of volume production etc?

If AMD somehow managed to get a partnership for 20nm production in that much secrecy, I'd be very surprised/impressed.
 
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