[ WCCF Tech ] TSMC will produce 16nm FinFET Nvidia Geforce GPUs – No Word For AMD

[NostaSeronx]

Well for two and a half years crolles have been "ready" with 28nm fdsoi. Yet nothing happens. And If/when it happens end 2015 h1 its like 3 years late. Then what is it worth? At that time "cheaper" finfet process tech is near anyway.

FDSOI at Crolles is mostly unimportant to AMD. It is production at GlobalFoundries @ Dresden and Malta, that matters overall. Crolles is the pilot line, while, GlobalFoundries and Samsung are the mass production lines.

AMD is most likely not looking at the FDSOI provided by/licensed from STMicroelectronics. Instead, is looking at the ETSOI(Advanced FDSOI) provided by GlobalFoundries.

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The goal now is to see if AFD can acquire that 20LPM-like PPA status. Allowing for AMD to be a generation behind in node, but a generation ahead in design.

Consumers don't care about the node used as long as they get a good product. Hopefully, the acquired staff from STMicroelectronics/ST-Ericsson/SOITEC, will make AMD choose the right node for consumers. A node that allows for a wide range of knobs to use will exploit the best out of architectural engineers. This is deeply needed in the GPU market which has lately been abusing shrinks.

 

[KaRLiToS]

http://pclab.pl/news60836.html

AMD confirmed that GlobalFoundries will produce them more chips. To date, the company from Santa Clara created for your partner primarily APU processors and systems. Now, to be joined or GPUs, as well as chips for the Xbox One and PlayStation 4.

"I think the quality of production in GlobalFoundries has improved significantly and that affects the reception of the company. By 2014 the first time in the history of our cooperation we went outside products for the PC market and are now creating layouts, processors for PC and console chips. Our collaboration with GlobalFoundries looked good in the past year and will continue in 2015. " - said Devinder Kumar, chief financial officer at AMD.

 

[Vesku]

Personal opinion:

Abu Dhabi told AMD no more fleeing to TSMC, they will be held to the Wafer Supply Agreement, but comforted that ultimatum with renewed investment in GlobalFoundries (Samsung partnership and purchase of IBM foundry business).

 

[3DVagabond]

Personal opinion:

Abu Dhabi told AMD no more fleeing to TSMC, they will be held to the Wafer Supply Agreement, but comforted that ultimatum with renewed investment in GlobalFoundries (Samsung partnership and purchase of IBM foundry business).

has GloFo ever not held AMD to their agreement? I recall them paying GloFo a huge fine for not fulfilling their contract one year.

 

[Vesku]

has GloFo ever not held AMD to their agreement? I recall them paying GloFo a huge fine for not fulfilling their contract one year.

That cash payout in 2012 came along with GloFo not forcing AMD to move its TSMC production over to them. AMD didn't report any new take or pay charges in Q4 2013 even though they didn't meet WSA minimum orders for full year 2013. Seems to me GloFo wants to hold more closely to the WSA heading into 2015. Which, given AMD is unlikely to see a huge jump in marketshare in just one or two quarters, means that they'll have to move more and more products from TSMC to GF.

 

[ShintaiDK]

More GloFo and less TSMC? Thats a pretty bad thing. Even moving down the ranks for GPUs in foundry terms as well now.

 

[3DVagabond]

More GloFo and less TSMC? Thats a pretty bad thing. Even moving down the ranks for GPUs in foundry terms as well now.

TSMC doesn't seem too good ATM. How long have we been stuck on 28nm? What's up with 20nm that it isn't suitable for GPU's?

 

[3DVagabond]

That cash payout in 2012 came along with GloFo not forcing AMD to move its TSMC production over to them. AMD didn't report any new take or pay charges in Q4 2013 even though they didn't meet WSA minimum orders for full year 2013. Seems to me GloFo wants to hold more closely to the WSA heading into 2015. Which, given AMD is unlikely to see a huge jump in marketshare in just one or two quarters, means that they'll have to move more and more products from TSMC to GF.

Where do we find this info?

 

[ShintaiDK]

TSMC doesn't seem too good ATM. How long have we been stuck on 28nm? What's up with 20nm that it isn't suitable for GPU's?

The 28nm is due to different reasons.

Also who says 20nm isnt suitable for GPUs?

GloFo is a foundry without any internal node development now. They had to license their next node. Not to mention they are always last.

 

[3DVagabond]

The 28nm is due to different reasons.

Also who says 20nm isnt suitable for GPUs?

GloFo is a foundry without any internal node development now. They had to license their next node. Not to mention they are always last.

What reasons then?

The fact that nobody is using it.

What difference does it make if you license the tech or develop it yourself?

You are not stating anything to make a point that TSMC is better than GloFo.

 

[Keysplayr]

What reasons then?

The fact that nobody is using it.

What difference does it make if you license the tech or develop it yourself?

You are not stating anything to make a point that TSMC is better than GloFo.

Do you maintain that GloFlo is better than TSMC? TSMC may be either late or just might be skipping 20nm, As we shrink in manufacturing processes, the challenge becomes greater and greater and takes longer and longer ever hurdling toward that stone wall where you cannot go any further, but TSMC gets it done. Even Intel is struggling with this.
Same probably cannot be said about Global Foundries, especially if you consider their history from day 1. Can it?

 

[ShintaiDK]

What reasons then?

The fact that nobody is using it.

What difference does it make if you license the tech or develop it yourself?

You are not stating anything to make a point that TSMC is better than GloFo.

Cost.

Time, when GloFo released 28nm for example all the high revenue was gone. They got scraps.

Looking on released nodes with actual products and volume, TSMC is highly superiour to GloFo.

 

[Vesku]

Where do we find this info?

http://ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1892414