[WCCF] New AMD Desktop FX-Series Processor is Incoming

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Homeles

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Life is easier without using the internet? What about telephones, computers, libraries, grocery stores, vehicles, electricity?
The internet is a huge reliever of the "difficulty" of life. Need to replace a part in a car, and don't know how? Youtube it. What should I make for dinner? Google it. Shopping online is a breeze, too.
 

raildogg

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Life should be narrowed down so much. Overall, the internet is exposing humankind's true nature each and everyday. Of course, it should, since it was created by us.

Yes the internet can help you in some cases. However, depending too much on technology or other people can most definitely have consequences.

Yes, Google and Youtube can help you make dinner because your such a busy person with a busy schedule and a busy life. However, have we ever looked at why our lives are so busy and is it good for our psyche? Maybe this is the wrong thread for that kind of discussion. Sorry.
 
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Yea, off topic, but the internet is just like any other technology. It all depends on who is using it and how it is being used. It has the potential for making life much easier and also for doing great harm. For example, social media can bring people together, or it can lead to cyberbullying and other forms of verbal and emotional abuse.
 

AtenRa

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This has been released one moth ago, not to mention AMD themselves have said they are not going to release a new uArch for AM3+. I still wonder why people here in this daily informed forum were expecting more.

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richaron

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This has been released one moth ago, not to mention AMD themselves have said they are not going to release a new uArch for AM3+. I still wonder why people here in this daily informed forum were expecting more.

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove. Marketing slides are one thing. Judging the behavior of a company is another.

Many people were disappointed with the re-release of "Piledriver" a year later in the form of binned chips with stupid power requirements. What I (and more) are saying is that a re-re-"release", of the exact same arch (another year later), would be pushing the friendship too far.
 

NostaSeronx

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While I was doing research on AMD's new ring-based interconnect. I stumbled upon this line;
each processor core including an internal 96 kilobyte (KB) L1 cache, as well as a 2 megabyte (MB) L2 cache and an 8 MB L3 cache that are each shared by two or more of the processor cores
15h(Roadwork) Module;
https://www.google.com/patents/US20140156941
http://www.google.com/patents/US20140164711

xxh(Mountainpeak) Module;
https://www.google.com/patents/US20140143502

There is a lot of things coming with Excavator which would explain the massive delay to late 2015.
 
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Ajay

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While I was doing research on AMD's new ring-based interconnect. I stumbled upon this line;
15h(Roadwork) Module;
https://www.google.com/patents/US20140156941
http://www.google.com/patents/US20140164711

xxh(Mountainpeak) Module;
https://www.google.com/patents/US20140143502

There is a lot of things coming with Excavator which would explain the massive delay to late 2015.

I hope part of the massive delay means that it will be 20 nm. I had originally found some stuff on Linkedin that implied a 20 nm x86 core was being developed - but that could have been for the CAT family for all I know.

With Samsung not willing to hand over it's 14FF process to GFL too quickly I don't think we'll see any x86 part available on that node anytime soon (All Samsung needs to insure is that 14FF is up and running in time for Apple to have a second source - obviously, they want an advantage so that they can be the primary source).
 

NostaSeronx

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@Ajay;
AMD is going to be building masks for 14XM/LPE but will not be producing ICs on those nodes. AMD will be going to the 14SOI node that GlobalFoundries is getting from the purchase of IBM's foundry.

14SOI = FinFET ETSOI (10~15% masks dissimilar to 14XM/LPE)
 
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Torn Mind

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Life should be narrowed down so much. Overall, the internet is exposing humankind's true nature each and everyday. Of course, it should, since it was created by us.

Yes the internet can help you in some cases. However, depending too much on technology or other people can most definitely have consequences.

Yes, Google and Youtube can help you make dinner because your such a busy person with a busy schedule and a busy life. However, have we ever looked at why our lives are so busy and is it good for our psyche? Maybe this is the wrong thread for that kind of discussion. Sorry.

Yea, off topic, but the internet is just like any other technology. It all depends on who is using it and how it is being used. It has the potential for making life much easier and also for doing great harm. For example, social media can bring people together, or it can lead to cyberbullying and other forms of verbal and emotional abuse.

Humans are social animals. Often vicious, stubborn, and hypocritical social animals. The internet is just a means of expressing it. But humans in the past also had the same tendencies, it just that they kept it private. Something Jane Eyre reveals humankind's true nature even without electricity and the internet.
 

Ajay

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@Ajay;
AMD is going to be building masks for 14XM/LPE but will not be producing ICs on those nodes. AMD will be going to the 14SOI node that GlobalFoundries is getting from the purchase of IBM's foundry.

14SOI = FinFET ETSOI (10~15% masks dissimilar to 14XM/LPE)

I didn't think that the purchase of IBM's foundry assets was a sure thing yet (though it's looking that way base on recent news items). So, is GFL planning on running two processes (Samsung 14FF and IBM/STMicro's 14 SOI)?
 

KingFatty

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I wonder if the pricing will somehow be better by bundling the water cooling with the CPU? It would be weird if the pricing is higher than buying the existing CPU and an aftermarket water cooler.
 

DrMrLordX

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I wonder if the pricing will somehow be better by bundling the water cooling with the CPU? It would be weird if the pricing is higher than buying the existing CPU and an aftermarket water cooler.

Last time I checked, you pay $40 extra for the "new" 9590 and you get a $60 cooler. So you save $20.
 

NostaSeronx

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I didn't think that the purchase of IBM's foundry assets was a sure thing yet (though it's looking that way base on recent news items). So, is GFL planning on running two processes (Samsung 14FF and IBM/STMicro's 14 SOI)?
There will be three nodes in the Common Alliance;
14-nm planar UTBB FDSOI from CEA-Leti/STMicroelectronics
14-nm FinFETs Bulk from Samsung
14-nm FinFETs ETSOI from IBM/GlobalFoundries
^-- (Should be noted that all of these are actually 20-nm nodes if you read the documents from wafer providers.)

Some of these nodes are particularly waiting for 450mm wafers at New York, Dresden, and Singapore.
http://www.semi.org/en/sites/semi.org/files/docs/SCEuropa13_SOI450_SEMI450_mm_2013.pdf
http://www.leti.fr/en/content/download/1676/22742/file/B1 - M.Yoshimi - Smart-Cut.pdf


SOITEC might be getting purchased for SOI and CPV by Mubadala Technology. Build the cake then eat it methodology.

I want you to look at SOITEC's roadmap of 450mm feasibility to 450mm production;
http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1262791
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/...b_to_Concentrate_on_Profitability_Report.html
^-- Then read this.

At GlobalFoundries;
20-nm LPM = IBM
All 14-nm nodes = IBM-based

Some linkedin profiles of keyness;
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/ze-zhang/16/85b/31a
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/reinaldo-vega/91/a18/974

The return of fully silicided gates(FUSIG) is to return costs down to Poly-Si gates(PSG). This return can only be done on sSOI and sBulk nodes on planar and FinFETs.

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I know this is slightly off-topicish. It is technically what node the next FX chips in the upcoming years will be on.

Is the current roadmap(All of them are IBM-based);
28SHP -> 20LPM -> 14SOI -> 10SOI -> 7SOI

AMD will be utilizing tricks and hacks to achieve Moore's Law.
 
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NostaSeronx

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is there any news about the new amd fx cpu yet?
The next FX processor should have a lot of new and modified changes. While, it won't be out till next year in which most can expect it 15 months from now.

AMD is riding Orochi C(x) all the way to the nearish end of 2015.
 
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jpiniero

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I'm not so sure the x86 product is coming out in 2016 considering AMD is mostly talking about K12 and that isn't coming out until 2016.
 

Ajay

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I'm not so sure the x86 product is coming out in 2016 considering AMD is mostly talking about K12 and that isn't coming out until 2016.

AMD will still need x86 in 2016. I think it's an open question whether the still need a "big core" x86. If the uptick in PC sales is sustainable, the ROI might be there. Of course, AMD would have had to make the decision 2-3 years ago, so it the descision would have been made under different conditions. They may have chosen to go with just the just the CAT family, ARM and GPU; given their R&D constraints. AMD needs 100% commitment in each area of development because they are all under heavy pressure.