[WCCF] AMD Radeon R9 390X Pictured

[Cloudfire777]

http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/20623-amd-radeon-300-serien-dyker-upp-i-prislista posted from partner prices in swedish

Holy crap thats expensive. R9 290X retails from 3300SEK (KR) in Sweden. Thats about 60% more expensive.

If 390X cost so much, its a bad sign that Fury X will indeed cost a lot of money like rumored

 

[Skurge]

The memory controller is the logic slice that sits under the HBM dram slices. It's no longer part of the GPU die.

Yes, I know. Unlike GM200 none of that 600mm2 is dedicated to the memory controller. I worded it poorly.

 

[Silverforce11]

Holy crap thats expensive. R9 290X retails from 3300SEK (KR) in Sweden. Thats about 60% more expensive.

If 390X cost so much, its a bad sign that Fury X will indeed cost a lot of money like rumored

Newsflash, AMD wants to sell rebranded Hawaii for 60% more!

Still think they are straight rebrands?

I wonder if the "390X is ONLY 20% faster than 980" leak rings a bell..

 

[flopper]

Holy crap thats expensive. R9 290X retails from 3300SEK (KR) in Sweden. Thats about 60% more expensive.

If 390X cost so much, its a bad sign that Fury X will indeed cost a lot of money like rumored

290x sits within 300-500 euro.
Seems the Tonga 380 4gb at 280 euro be the new challenge for midrange 970.
390x will beat the 980 so priced accordingly unless changes happens when they launch.
It might force a price drop of the 980 and 970 tho.

 

[Glo.]

Well, pretty much in line with those prices which were published on ChipHell.

 

[MrTeal]

The memory controller is the logic slice that sits under the HBM dram slices. It's no longer part of the GPU die.

There is a memory controller on the HBM stack, but there will still be a phy on the GPU die so it's not like all the MC space is removed. We might get a better look in a couple weeks when Fiji launches how much is saved moving part of the MC off-die, vs moving to a wider bus.

 

[DownTheSky]

Newsflash, AMD wants to sell rebranded Hawaii for 60% more!

Still think they are straight rebrands?

I wonder if the "390X is ONLY 20% faster than 980" leak rings a bell..

No. Grenada must be Hawaii updated to GCN 1.2 and other tweaks on better process. Suddenly all those "only 20% faster" leaks make sense. In reality I expect it to be at max 10-15% faster. Fiji, on the other hand, going by die-size alone should be a monster.

Actually all leaks make sense, since we've been getting leaks for 2 different cards.

 

[Cloudfire777]

Newsflash, AMD wants to sell rebranded Hawaii for 60% more!

Still think they are straight rebrands?

I wonder if the "390X is ONLY 20% faster than 980" leak rings a bell..

It will cost the same GTX 980 for that price. AMD will have big difficulty selling their GPUs if priced the same.

20% faster than 980? Yeah right, that was about Fiji. And yesterday it was said that Fiji is slower than 980Ti so you expect a 390X to come so close to a Fiji card with 45% more cores lol?

The recent post from Videocardz put 390X 5% ish below 980 in Firestrike.

Those two are the last we have heard about AMDs upcoming cards

 

[flopper]

No. Grenada must be Hawaii updated to GCN 1.2 on better process. Suddenly all those "only 20% faster" leaks make sense. In reality I expect it to be at max 10-15% faster. Fiji, on the other hand, going by die-size alone should be a monster.

8gb 390x better performance than 980 seems like a great deal to me.

 

[Silverforce11]

It will cost the same GTX 980 for that price. AMD will have big difficulty selling their GPUs if priced the same.

20% faster than 980? Yeah right, that was about Fiji. And yesterday it was said that Fiji is slower than 980Ti so you expect a 390X to come so close to a Fiji card with 45% more cores lol?

The recent post from Videocardz put 390X 5% ish below 980 in Firestrike.

Those two are the last we have heard about AMDs upcoming cards

Do you think AMD would make many sales having 390X = Hawaii + 5% in 3dMark for similar prices to the 980?

Do you think AMD is so stupid that they would not understand that? If its priced similar to the 980, it has to be significantly faster to sell.

So either the price leak is wrong, or you're wrong regarding pushing this "rebrand" idea.

 

[exar333]

290x sits within 300-500 euro.
Seems the Tonga 380 4gb at 280 euro be the new challenge for midrange 970.
390x will beat the 980 so priced accordingly unless changes happens when they launch.
It might force a price drop of the 980 and 970 tho.

Ugh, these are terrible prices if true.

A custom, high clock-speed 970 would be 20% faster and potentially ~ speed for almost 150 $/Euro less.

Pricing against the (WAY over-priced) 980 is a mistake. The 290s didn't sell at these prices, why would a tweaked 390 do much better?

Prices sound really fishy to me...

 

[DownTheSky]

8gb 390x better performance than 980 seems like a great deal to me.

@$399. Same here.

 

[Azix]

Not liking those prices at all. Might be waiting till black friday or christmas if these are true.

 

[DarkKnightDude]

Well to be fair those are EU prices.

 

[maddie]

According to these pictures, the most plausible numbers go between 620-670mm^2.

And why I say so? Because hawaii is 438mm^2 and has 2816 shading units. So far we believe that fiji will have 4096 shading units which is 45,45% more than hawaii. So 438 * 1.4545 = 637mm^2 with rough translation.



1. Now here is the thing, according to rumor, GF process should make the chip denser than TSMC process. How much more denser are the GF libraries compared to TSMC? How much die space in mm would be spared on the same die on GF process compared to TSMC?

2. According to rumors also the HBM memory controller is quite a bit smaller than GDDR5 memory controller, ow much die space HBM memory controller saves from die compared to GRRD5?

3. So if the die is 620-650mm^2 and GF process is more denser and the memory controller saves space, shouldn't this mean that the chip could actually have more than 4096 shading units? Maybe the leaks has shown as only the cut down version of fiji aka fiji pro?

In reality the 45% increase in shaders will only apply to the shader portion of the die which is about 60% of the total area. This leads to (45 x 0.6) = 127% increase in total area not 145%.
This actually means that more shaders can be fitted than you calculated.

Your other points are spot on.

Remember the 4870. Forget about the low price now, NO ONE expected 800 shaders. It was thought to be impossible for the die size.

Could we actually be looking Fiji chip = twice Hawaii in shaders?

Everyone is forgetting this slide from Synapse. Are those 80+ blocks shader clusters of 64 shaders each, giving 5120 + shaders in Fury.
>500 mm2 @28HPM, 1 GHZ, 80+ Blocks

 

[flopper]

Well to be fair those are EU prices.

980 sits between 530 and 750 euro here.
the recent 50 euro price cut 580 to 530 here just shows how expensive the 980 has been for us.

 

[Azix]

Still dont think it passes 600mm^2 Especially if the memory controller space is saved. But maybe they went all out

 

[Headfoot]

It will be a relief when all the cards drop. I want to upgrade, whether it is to get another 290 to crossfire, 980 Ti or a 3xx/Fury card is yet to be seen... I had to turn down settings in GTA V on 3x1080p quite a bit and it made my inner PC Gaming Master Race wither and weep

 

[thilanliyan]

If 380 has 4gb, then 380x won't have 3...

It will have 6, which it probably can't take advantage of.

Haven't you heard though...6GB (or 5 plus a little bit) is the minimum tolerable these days. Anything less and you might as well game on a console...

 

[DarkKnightDude]

It will be a relief when all the cards drop. I want to upgrade, whether it is to get another 290 to crossfire, 980 Ti or a 3xx/Fury card is yet to be seen... I had to turn down settings in GTA V on 3x1080p quite a bit and it made my inner PC Gaming Master Race wither and weep

You're not the only one, been wanting to replace this 770, and was about to pull the trigger on the 970 till the 3.5 fiasco discouraged me. Now I've saved enough money to buy a Titan X. Waiting on Fury to see if its decent.

 

[maddie]

If 380 has 4gb, then 380x won't have 3...

It will have 6, which it probably can't take advantage of.

Of course it can. Its called marketing.

 

[Kenmitch]

It will cost the same GTX 980 for that price. AMD will have big difficulty selling their GPUs if priced the same.

20% faster than 980? Yeah right, that was about Fiji. And yesterday it was said that Fiji is slower than 980Ti so you expect a 390X to come so close to a Fiji card with 45% more cores lol?

The recent post from Videocardz put 390X 5% ish below 980 in Firestrike.

Those two are the last we have heard about AMDs upcoming cards

Chill for a couple of weeks....Your bouncing to the left, right, up and down all the time is making me dizzy!

Getting caught up in the hype is fun at times I guess.

We'll know soon enough.

What if AMD didn't even target a NVidia product with Figi as far a performance goes? Maybe this time they targeted there own fastest card the 295x2? Of course when crossfire is working for clarification. Would be impressive if possible even to the green team I'd imagine.

Time will tell soon enough I guess.

Those in the know aren't really talking. Couple hints here and there but not enough to pass judgment as far as failure or success. Seems like for every positive comment it's countered by a couple of negative ones....Go figure!

 

[thilanliyan]

Chill for a couple of weeks....Your bouncing to the left, right, up and down all the time is making me dizzy!

QFT!

 

[raghu78]

Still dont think it passes 600mm^2 Especially if the memory controller space is saved. But maybe they went all out

You have to remember the 600 sq mm monster GPU will serve as AMD's Firepro flagship in a few months. It will come with fp64 performance at 1/2 fp32 rate which takes die space. So I don't think its impossible for >= 600 sq mm die.

 

[dark zero]

Waiting for the real prices aka, current price Slash by 20%