[WCCF] AMD Radeon R9 390X Pictured

[exar333]

I`m here for your entertainment.

But seriously, both my benchmarks I posted above and Videocardz both show that 390X is about 5-10% faster than 290X.
If AMD made improvement regarding power consumption I have no idea yet.

Today WCCFTech say R9 390X will cost $499. Where will that put Radeon Fury X with HBM and 40-50% more cores? The rumored $849 posted countless times doesnt sound so crazy after all...

If that's true. Prospective buys should snap-up a 290 or 290x right now. $499 would be way to high for that, just as the 980 is right now.

Edit: 8GB might be worth a small premium here, but with 'better' premium GPUs offering >4GB now, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to pay significantly more for a GPU that likely wouldn't benefit greatly from it.

 

[Glo.]

4990 Kr is 600 $, but that counts taxes.

25% of the price is VAT itself. Import Tax also. So the true price is closer to 399$ that 499$.

 

[redzo]

Do you think AMD is so stupid that they would not understand that? If its priced similar to the 980, it has to be significantly faster to sell.

8gb 390x better performance than 980 seems like a great deal to me.

I think that even if it will "only" achieve performance parity with a gtx980 for the same price it may outsell it quite easily simply because it is 8GB(double the capacity of a gtx980). AMD will keep its performance/$ customer base and they will probably manage to steal some nvidia customers.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Better picture of fiji

That is an awesome-looking piece of silicon.

 

[flopper]

I think that even if it will "only" achieve performance parity with a gtx980 for the same price it may outsell it quite easily simply because it is 8GB(double the capacity of a gtx980). AMD will keep its performance/$ customer base and they will probably manage to steal some nvidia customers.

Lots of users I seen that tends to buy futureproof and 8gb allows that.
The entusiast dont care much if its 4gb or not as is it the fastest seems to be the idea here.

sitting down after that drink now as the Fiji big die is just overwhelming atm.

 

[exar333]

I think that even if it will "only" achieve performance parity with a gtx980 for the same price it may outsell it quite easily simply because it is 8GB(double the capacity of a gtx980). AMD will keep its performance/$ customer base and they will probably manage to steal some nvidia customers.

No, if it is similar in price and performance of the 980, it will be DOA. Just as the 980 is right now, dead.

There is pretty much zero reasons to buy a 980 now. Buy a 970/290(x) or get a 980Ti.

 

[IEC]

Better picture of fiji

 

[IEC]

I`m here for your entertainment.

But seriously, both my benchmarks I posted above and Videocardz both show that 390X is about 5-10% faster than 290X.
If AMD made improvement regarding power consumption I have no idea yet.

Today WCCFTech say R9 390X will cost $499. Where will that put Radeon Fury X with HBM and 40-50% more cores? The rumored $849 posted countless times doesnt sound so crazy after all...

Disclaimer at the end of that "pricing" article...

Pricing is also one of the trickiest things to track down about upcoming products. Sweclockers claims that these prices are based on an AIB price list. We should point out that these are not always reflective of real world MSRPs. The GTX 980 Ti was listed at $800 before launch for example, $150 over its official MSRP. So remember to take these numbers with a pinch of salt.

 

[Glo.]

No, if it is similar in price and performance of the 980, it will be DOA. Just as the 980 is right now, dead.

There is pretty much zero reasons to buy a 980 now. Buy a 970/290(x) or get a 980Ti.

Mac Pro is waiting for update, so getting Grenada to it would make big impact on overall sales of that chip .

 

[jamesgalb]

I believe that list on WCCF is based on Swedish pricing, where they pay a lot more for cards.

Based on WCCF pricing the 980ti at $799 before launch, $150 more than the real price... One could expect the 390x to come in at $349-$399

 

[DiogoDX]

Better picture of fiji

Sexy.:awe:

 

[MrTeal]

That is an awesome-looking piece of silicon.

It's enough to make you wish we had transparent aluminum so that you could put that under water and still see the die.

 

[destrekor]

If that's true. Prospective buys should snap-up a 290 or 290x right now. $499 would be way to high for that, just as the 980 is right now.

Edit: 8GB might be worth a small premium here, but with 'better' premium GPUs offering >4GB now, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to pay significantly more for a GPU that likely wouldn't benefit greatly from it.

Do remember, it is highly unlikely that the 390X will be a straight re-badge of Hawaii. There could be performance improvements and power savings in the same league as 500-series Fermi v. 400-series Fermi. It still could end up being more akin to the GTX 770 v 680, with essentially re-using the same Kepler but upping the memory and upping the clockrates, along with a better clockrate management system. That wouldn't offer that much more, however, AMD is likely to have re-spun Hawaii through GloFo and thus would have had a chance to really improve the whole thing. I think it'll have at least a 10% performance improvement over the 290X.

However, obviously a 10% improvement for $500 over a $300 card... through with 8GB versus 4GB... that's still something people really need to consider.

Me, I'm not even eyeing that card, not having 2x 290Xs. Only thing I'm interested in is the Fiji XT - if it outshines my cards in Crossfire and is affordable, I might finally have a chance and reason to go back to one card.

 

[jamesgalb]

No, if it is similar in price and performance of the 980, it will be DOA. Just as the 980 is right now, dead.

There is pretty much zero reasons to buy a 980 now. Buy a 970/290(x) or get a 980Ti.

Exactly...

4GB GTX980 @ $500-$550 is dead...

Replace it with a 8GB card that Is marginally faster and $400-$500. Success.

Unless you are suggesting that there is no market for anything between $330 and $650 dollars, or that there is no market for the lowest price card with OVER 4GB of usable vram on the market... Either way, you should apply for a job with the GFX card companies because you sound brilliant

 

[exar333]

Do remember, it is highly unlikely that the 390X will be a straight re-badge of Hawaii. There could be performance improvements and power savings in the same league as 500-series Fermi v. 400-series Fermi. It still could end up being more akin to the GTX 770 v 680, with essentially re-using the same Kepler but upping the memory and upping the clockrates, along with a better clockrate management system. That wouldn't offer that much more, however, AMD is likely to have re-spun Hawaii through GloFo and thus would have had a chance to really improve the whole thing. I think it'll have at least a 10% performance improvement over the 290X.

However, obviously a 10% improvement for $500 over a $300 card... through with 8GB versus 4GB... that's still something people really need to consider.
Me, I'm not even eyeing that card, not having 2x 290Xs. Only thing I'm interested in is the Fiji XT - if it outshines my cards in Crossfire and is affordable, I might finally have a chance and reason to go back to one card.

Definitely agree. I could see a $30-40 bump for the 390x over current prices to cover the extra performance, and maybe another $30-40 for the extra 4GB. Even with that, I wonder how much better a maxxed OC 390x is vs. the existing 290x. No way is that worth more than $100 more.

I also agree with not really looking at that card, because Fiji is MUCH more interesting. I still hold that the 970 will reign supreme at the <$400 price point IF these are true. Anything over $400 is then either a Fiji or 980Ti...

Just to put in perspective. Even if the 390x is 'only' $399, you can get 2x290s for about that RIGHT now. Regardless of what we see with the 390x, that will smoke it in performance all day long.

 

[maddie]

Points to consider:

1) GloFlo 28nm has better leakage
2) AMD has developed new high density libraries [known internally as a Moonshot program]
3) Fiji is estimated by some to be 600mm2
4) HBM allows lowering of memory controller space requirements
5) Synapse was advertizing 80+ blocks for graphics processor tapeout [80+ x 64 = 5120+ shaders]

If you do the calcs than 2 X shaders is possible

Possibility of Fiji = or > 295x2

600mm2 is more than what you need for 4096 shaders

 

[exar333]

Exactly...

4GB GTX980 @ $500-$550 is dead...

Replace it with a 8GB card that Is marginally faster and $400-$500. Success.

Unless you are suggesting that there is no market for anything between $330 and $650 dollars, or that there is no market for the lowest price card with over 4GB of usable vram on the market... Either way, you should apply for a job with the GFX card companies because you sound brilliant

Thanks for the personal attack. I provide justification and you go there. Who is the 'brilliant' one?

Let me spell this out for you...for over 6 months, folks complained (read a million RS posts *hint*) on how over-priced the 980 was. For all intents and purposes, it was BUT it had a 'halo' tax. It was the best, but you paid almost double for that extra 15%. That only works on the top.

Skip to the current. We have the following:

GTX 970 $330
GTX 980 $500
GTX 980Ti $650

(1) The 980 is 50% more than the 970 for ~15% more performance. That is horrible.

(2) The 980Ti is 50%+ better than the 970 for less than double the price, with more VRAM. Still a premium, but more justified.

You would be crazy to buy the 980. Period.

Insert a new AMD GPU with similar performance to the 980 at a similar price. See scenario #1 and replace 980 with 390X.

If this doesn't make sense to you. I am not sure how to lay it out any more clear....

Edit: If you had taken the time to read the thread (Hint: 'reading comprehension') my comment referred to the leaked pricing rumors. $400 =! $500 either. In any sort of math. Even $100 premium will be tough to swallow, especially with the AMD 'tax' where people refuse to spend the same for the same performance tier.

 

[ocre]

Maddie



Are you saying Fiji will be faster than the 295x2? What?

The worst thing we can do is set the bar high. Actually, the rumors of a slow Fiji can help it have a huge buzz if it launches faster than the 980ti and TitanX.

I think the 980ti is in short supply and surely the people who were gonna wait, they will wait.

 

[AnandThenMan]

yeah > 600 sqmm definitely. I cannot believe that AMD built a GPU die bigger than Nvidia. Hopefully they have some serious archtiectural improvements to increase perf/sp and take the GPU crown. :biggrin:

600+mm² and considering the smaller memory controller and the massive memory bandwidth this could get very interesting.

 

[redzo]

Lots of users I seen that tends to buy futureproof and 8gb allows that.
The entusiast dont care much if its 4gb or not as is it the fastest seems to be the idea here.

sitting down after that drink now as the Fiji big die is just overwhelming atm.

It's 4GB vs 8GB same performance for the same price. It's a no brainer to me. I think that the psychological impact is way deeper than the former gtx770(2GB) vs 280x(3GB).

I also hate the concept of future proofing. There is no such thing as future proofing! We should know better. NV's and AMD's future HBM2 offerings at bellow 28nm will probably obliterate their entire current stack(performance wise) two years from now on.

No, if it is similar in price and performance of the 980, it will be DOA. Just as the 980 is right now, dead.

There is pretty much zero reasons to buy a 980 now. Buy a 970/290(x) or get a 980Ti.

It was about that customer aiming in with a 980gtx budget, a hypothetical. You derailed it a little by stating that the 980gtx offers less performance/$. Yes, that's true, but a price war may follow up if this entire scenario ends up being true.

 

[crashtech]

For those who might not know, a big GPU die can be more indicative of higher performance than it would be in the case of CPU dies because GPUs are so highly parallel where CPUs are much less so. More die space on a given node gives more room to add more cores, and that is always good in a GPU!

 

[LTC8K6]

We can see why you need to stack higher to get 8Gb of HBM. You only have room for 4 stacks.

 

[jamesgalb]

Thanks for the personal attack. I provide justification and you go there. Who is the 'brilliant' one?

Let me spell this out for you...for over 6 months, folks complained (read a million RS posts *hint*) on how over-priced the 980 was. For all intents and purposes, it was BUT it had a 'halo' tax. It was the best, but you paid almost double for that extra 15%. That only works on the top.

Skip to the current. We have the following:

GTX 970 $330
GTX 980 $500
GTX 980Ti $650

(1) The 980 is 50% more than the 970 for ~15% more performance. That is horrible.

(2) The 980Ti is 50%+ better than the 970 for less than double the price, with more VRAM. Still a premium, but more justified.

You would be crazy to buy the 980. Period.

Insert a new AMD GPU with similar performance to the 980 at a similar price. See scenario #1 and replace 980 with 390X.

If this doesn't make sense to you. I am not sure how to lay it out any more clear....

Edit: If you had taken the time to read the thread (Hint: 'reading comprehension') my comment referred to the leaked pricing rumors. $400 =! $500 either. In any sort of math. Even $100 premium will be tough to swallow, especially with the AMD 'tax' where people refuse to spend the same for the same performance tier.

I saw all the 'logic' you used first time around.

At the end of the day, you concluded that there is no market between $330 and $650. I disagree, a lot.

And to come to that rather absurd conclusion, you used a lot of speculation to give the 390x a 'worst case scenerio' where it retains 290x/980 type performance and get slapped with a $500 price point... Speculation that comes from NVidia fan 'review' sites and a WCCFTech that priced the 980ti as being $800...

Even using all of the 'worst case' speculation above, a $500 GFX card that can match/beat a 980 and has 8GB of vram will sell big... Using your logic, even in this 'worst case scenerio' the 980ti would be 30% more expensive and only 15-20% better, with less vram, and a similar power pull... That would make no sense, right? lol...

 

[LTC8K6]

What was the pic with the curved copper areas?

 

[swilli89]

600+mm² and considering the smaller memory controller and the massive memory bandwidth this could get very interesting.

I certainly hope so. We need downward pricing pressure at pretty much every price point above $300.

Agree with others that a 390X @ 290X(+10%) for $400 is a fail. I know Hawaii was a 440mm^2 die and that may be hard to maintain any sort of margin at $300 or below but I firmly believe this card belongs right there at $300. Its possible AMD may have been able to optimize some logic layout of Hawaii for its GloFo process. I think if they were able to squeeze the die to less than 400m^2 they could price it where the market needs it to be.

A lot of us are part of the 1200p master race (1080p.. no thanks ) and the 8gb of memory is not going to be a factor here for a while yet.