[WCCF] AMD Radeon R9 390X Pictured

[Silverforce11]

That is a huge die. Easily >600mm2.

Looks like .vodka's calculations based on HBM size are close.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37445180&postcount=1751

@Grooveriding
Bare die with HBM shinies!

Edit:
Hawaii (~440mm2) vs GK110 (~550mm2) = Equal performance.
Fiji (>600mm2, probably close to 700mm2) vs GM200 (600mm2) = ?????

There's no way Fiji will be slower than Titan X with such a huge die AND HBM advantage.

 

[Azix]

I think you guys are maybe mixing up the actual GPU with the rest of the structure. It looks like what we saw before and it may look bigger relative to her.

more speculation.

 

[Grooveriding]

That is a huge die. Easily >600mm2.

Looks like .vodka's calculations based on HBM size are close.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37445180&postcount=1751

@Grooveriding
Bare die with HBM shinies!

If the dimensions of those HBM chips can be acquired, then it would be easy to get the die size in photoshop. That die is at least 600mm though

 

[Silverforce11]

If the dimensions of those HBM chips can be acquired, then it would be easy to get the die size in photoshop. That die is at least 600mm though

Already done by .vodka, i put the link in that post. HBM dimensions are published & known. I would guesstimate ~650mm2 at least.

 

[DarkKnightDude]

That die has to be at least over 600mm, maybe near 700. Looks like a monster.

 

[raghu78]

That is a huge die. Easily >600mm2.

Looks like .vodka's calculations based on HBM size are close.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37445180&postcount=1751

@Grooveriding
Bare die with HBM shinies!

Edit:
Hawaii (~440mm2) vs GK110 (~550mm2) = Equal performance.
Fiji (>600mm2, probably close to 700mm2) vs GM200 (600mm2) = ?????

There's no way Fiji will be slower than Titan X with such a huge die AND HBM advantage.

The package is massive. The die on its own is definitely closer to 600 sq mm. We need somebody to make some accurate calculations based on the photo of the Fiji package shown at Computex. Its already known that HBM is 7x5 mm. I am sure we will have die size calculations within a day or two.

AMD has gone all out with Fiji die size. Hopefully they have packed in significant architectural improvements to make Fiji the fastest GPU in the world without a doubt. :thumbsup:

 

[Vesku]

How so?

My 670 was cheaper than the 7970 or 7950. My 970 was cheaper than the 290 or 290x...

All of those were great cards, but you are WAY oversimplifying the situation here. It really depends on what is important to you and when you purchased.

Your statement is terribly inaccurate and false.

Well I am still using my 7950 looking to ride it out to FinFet node shrink GPUs, if I'd gotten a 670 instead I think I'd have replaced it by now. Only thing that might tempt me is if a real price war breaks out between AMD and Nvidia post AMD lineup reveal.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Radeon Fury Maxx Gargantua

 

[HurleyBird]

@Grooveriding
Bare die with HBM shinies!

I'm pretty sure the "shiny" parts are the interposer.

 

[Azix]

closer to 500mm^2 is my vote. If I'm wrong one of you will have to eat your shoes.

Trying to measure it with software could be worthwhile. Looks like a better estimate though the picture is blurry.

You guys think its massive based on her hand I am thinking, but shes female and asian. Yet she actually has her middle finger bent and seems to be holding it comfortably. Try putting your hand in that position and remember she is holding the entire package. unless she has massive hands...

 

[raghu78]

If the dimensions of those HBM chips can be acquired, then it would be easy to get the die size in photoshop. That die is at least 600mm though

HBM chips are 5.48 mm x 7.29 mm . see slide 13. Surely I agree that the die is close to 600 sq mm if not greater. :thumbsup:

http://www.hotchips.org/wp-content/...Bandwidth-Kim-Hynix-Hot Chips HBM 2014 v7.pdf

 

[Vesku]

Looks like AMD's big die will be much closer to Nvidia's in size this time around. Looks 550+ to me.

 

[96Firebird]

I did my best... *shrug*

 

[Vesku]

26.45*31.48 would be ~832.

I think the visible top portion of HBM is smaller than the total listed dimensions.

 

[HurleyBird]

I did my best... *shrug*

Are you sure the shiny parts are the HBM modules?

 

[Azix]

the dark should be the hbm based on the GPU color. I'd use 7mm since that's what AMD said.

 

[MrTeal]

Are you sure the shiny parts are the HBM modules?

I actually think the shiny part is the interposer. The grey squares are the HBM stacks.

 

[96Firebird]

Oh, ok, I'll give that a shot in a bit...

Here's what I got with the older die shot:

This is really digging into my late-night-drawing session, that need to be done by the end of the week... D:

I see now that the shiny part is not the HBM.

Edit - Second attempt at the newest shot, at this point I have no idea...

 

[Silverforce11]

I think the shiny is HBM because the interposer in other sections don't shine like that, specific 4 modules = 4 shiny areas.

 

[RaulF]

I think the shiny is HBM because the interposer in other sections don't shine like that, specific 4 modules = 4 shiny areas.

I agree.

 

[badb0y]

Well, this is going to be interesting

 

[destrekor]

Oh, ok, I'll give that a shot in a bit...

Here's what I got with the older die shot:

This is really digging into my late-night-drawing session, that need to be done by the end of the week... D:

I see now that the shiny part is not the HBM.

Edit - Second attempt at the newest shot, at this point I have no idea...

You measured one size yet calculated a different size. Looks like you may have made a type if using a 10-key keypad (right side keyboard calculator pad).
If you calculate 26.17*21.58, that = ~565mm^2.

 

[MrTeal]

I think the shiny is HBM because the interposer in other sections don't shine like that, specific 4 modules = 4 shiny areas.

Look at the proportions of the four shiny areas. The top ones are almost square. The bottom ones are more rectangular, like you'd expect from HBM.
They also have the same reflection as the other piece of silicon in the picture that's on the same plane, the big GPU die.

 

[96Firebird]

You measured one size yet calculated a different size. Looks like you may have made a type if using a 10-key keypad (right side keyboard calculator pad).
If you calculate 26.17*21.58, that = ~565mm^2.

Oh yeah, good catch. I'll edit that image now...

Not that it may matter much, we can't even agree on which part is the HBM!

 

[DDH]

You can see the core is raised up against the interposer at the top. I think those lighter/brown areas are the HBM