[WCCF] AMD Radeon R9 390X Pictured

[xthetenth]

A lot of everybody goes through Times Square, it's part of the point. It's also part of why it's practically day bright from all the ads even at night.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Man, AMD going all out on this one. My gut tells me they have a winner and they know it, but we've been burned before so I'm trying to keep down the hype.

But "leak" some benchmarks already.

 

[swilli89]

Maybe. But imo why? There will be more Posts about upcoming e3 by gamers than there will be talk about computex. I just don't see computex being that important to the market of people that amd needs to reach

What do you mean "why?" Your mixing up his eager enthusiasm for new information with the mentality of these forums, that of "invest-tech". Who cares if it's a good or bad move?

 

[Silverforce11]

No. You don`t seem to understand the difference.

GTX 480 was a GF100 and GTX 580 was a GF110. In addition to that GTX 480 had 448 cores and GTX 580 had 512 cores.
R9 390X might be a pure GCN 1.1 290X rebrand and we know it have exact same cores as R9 290X.

580 GF110 is a respun GF100 with full dies due to better yield. So more performance and less power use, on the SAME urach, at the SAME process node from the SAME manufacturer.

 

[tviceman]

This is as careful and secretive a launch as AMD has had in a long, long, time. Kudos to them for keeping it under wraps as well as they have.

 

[Alatar]

580 GF110 is a respun GF100 with full dies due to better yield. So more performance and less power use, on the SAME urach, at the SAME process node from the SAME manufacturer.

GF110 had significant changes to the actual die, even some architectural changes. It wasn't just a new stepping or something. The chip is not identical on the transistor level at all. GF110 is actually smaller than GF100 too.

Should try reading the first couple of pages of the AT GTX580 review.

 

[jamesgalb]

Making my predictions...

- $999 Titan X killer :: r9 "395x2 VR" - 2x Fiji w/ 8gb HBM water cooled
- $599 980ti killer :: r9 "395x" - Fiji w/ 4gb HBM air cooled
- $499 980 killer :: r9 390x - respun 290x w/ 8gb gddr5 overclocked, optimized & fully enabled
- $349 970 killer :: r9 390 - respun 290x w/4gb gddr5 overclocked & optimized
- $249 960ti killer :: r9 380x - rebadged 285 w/ 4gb gddr5 overlocked & fully enabled
- $199 960 killer :: r9 380 - rebadged 285 w/ 2gb gddr5 overclocked & fully enabled

390x is a Hawaii XT (290x) respun and fully enabled with:

-256 more Stream Processors (3072 vs 2816)
-8 more Compute Units (48 vs 40)
-16 more Texture Mapping Units (192 vs 176)
-4 GB more vram (8 GB vs 4 GB, by designed)
-100mhz faster base clock (1000mhz vs 900mhz)
-Optimizations (GNC 1.2 vs GNC 1.1)
-h.265 decoding & HDMI 2.0

380x is a Tonga (285) fully enabled and overlocked with:

-256 more Stream Processors (2048 vs 1792)
-4 more Compute Units (32 vs 28)
-16 more Texture Mapping Units (128 vs 112)
-2 GB more vram (4 GB vs 2 GB, by designed)
-100mhz faster base clock (1018mhz vs 918mhz)

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Fiji VR (395x2) will obliterate TitanX/980ti
Fiji (395x) will beat TitanX/980ti
Hawaii (390x) will smash 980 and approach TitanX/980ti
Tonga (380x) will smash 960/ti and approach 970

 

[boozzer]

Is this not thread crapping? They're spending big money on advertising with developers at E3, doing something big(hopefully) at Computex. They're advertising! Any kind is good considering their current position.

amd finally realizing marketing and advertising is everything.

ex: witcher 3's advertising money was 2x their developing budget for the game it self.

google the advertising budget of cod series compare to the budget they used for making it. it is crazy.

damn, this weekend is gonna be super long as we wait for news on monday. I am looking forward to monday!

 

[Alatar]

-256 more Stream Processors (3072 vs 2816)
-8 more Compute Units (48 vs 40)
-16 more Texture Mapping Units (192 vs 176)

Hawaii is already a full chip. Even dave baumann confirmed it.

 

[RaulF]

Hawaii is already a full chip. Even dave baumann confirmed it.

There was some talk when first release that it was not fully enable.

Not going to look it up, but I remember something related to that. Just google it but rumor of full Hawaii being 3072 shaders.

 

[rgallant]

I'm no rocket scientist so mabe one of you smart fella's can answer me this..

If you have 2 high end cards (to stay on topic 2, 390x's) and they are water cooled, where does the heat from 600 watts go? My guess through the radiator where the fans blow the hot air of the fins into the room?

I mean energy=heat right?

er basement where any normal person would dump that much heat, to a cooler part of the house , along with any noise .[no one lives there btw]:biggrin:

 

[Alatar]

There was some talk when first release that it was not fully enable.

Not going to look it up, but I remember something related to that. Just google it but rumor of full Hawaii being 3072 shaders.

Yes but all of that stuff was proven to be false. Not that it even made sense in the first place. The rumors were started by some random blogger who overlayed tahiti CUs on a hawaii die and claimed that it had too much waste die space...

 

[LTC8K6]

Making my predictions...

- $999 Titan X killer :: r9 "395x2 VR" - 2x Fiji w/ 8gb HBM water cooled
- $599 980ti killer :: r9 "395x" - Fiji w/ 4gb HBM air cooled
- $499 980 killer :: r9 390x - respun 290x w/ 8gb gddr5 overclocked, optimized & fully enabled
- $349 970 killer :: r9 390 - respun 290x w/4gb gddr5 overclocked & optimized
- $249 960ti killer :: r9 380x - rebadged 285 w/ 4gb gddr5 overlocked & fully enabled
- $199 960 killer :: r9 380 - rebadged 285 w/ 2gb gddr5 overclocked & fully enabled

But we have already seen several pics of a short water cooled Radeon.
Doesn't seem like a dual Fiji card would be that short.

 

[Vesku]

Is this not thread crapping? They're spending big money on advertising with developers at E3, doing something big(hopefully) at Computex. They're advertising! Any kind is good considering their current position.

Also AMD was already sponsoring that Time Square display as a showcase for their professional graphics.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/amd-br...th-25000-square-foot-high-definition-display/

 

[JDG1980]

"AMD Radeon 300 series to be released mid-June"
" AMD has forbid AIBs from showing any Radeon 300 graphics card on Computex. Instead, AMD is planning a special event for PC Gamers currently set for E3 expo. This is where these cards will finally be shown to the public."

Looks like June 16th?

http://videocardz.com/55734/amd-radeon-300-series-to-arrive-on-june-16th

If the whole 300 series was just unmodified rebrands, then it's not clear to me why AMD would want to do this. They'd be better off just shoving it out the door on a slow news day and hoping no one notices, like they did with the OEM crap and the mobile Cape Verde rebrands.

I suspect the R9 390/X is going to be a respun Hawaii on the GloFo process (Grenada) - hopefully with some tweaks like the addition of HEVC and HDMI 2.0 support. I doubt they'll get it all the way down to 200W - that would be near Maxwell levels of efficiency and seems a bit much for a respin - but I think that the TDP (i.e. power consumption under FurMark) won't exceed 250W, in comparison to the 300W+ that existing Hawaii cards pull.

R9 380/X will probably be Tonga on GloFo process (Antigua). I'm hoping for added HEVC support and a TDP in the 150W-175W range. They have to do validation anyway for porting over the designs to GloFo, so hopefully updating fixed-function blocks at the same time won't be too much trouble or expense. (The link is broken now, but there was a post on the AMD Devgurus site by an employee a while back indicating that all 2015 GPUs should have HEVC support.)

I think there's going to be a new GCN 1.2 chip for the R9 370 series. AMD has gotten a lot of mileage out of GCN 1.0, especially Pitcairn and Cape Verde, but even if they can get away with selling their leftover stock to OEMs in 2015, I don't see that flying in the AIB market. Every site is going to recommend staying away from it due to lack of feature support and questionable performance on newer titles. This is the one area of the market where AMD really needs a new chip; Pitcairn is too old, and Bonaire is too weak (it would be a downgrade from Pitcairn in performance).

 

[at80eighty]

...advertising a video card to the masses in times square seems like a total waste of advertising money?

...

im sure you have some kind of actual logic to back up such a baffling statement?

 

[antihelten]

...

im sure you have some kind of actual logic to back up such a baffling statement?

I'm guessing his point is that advertising a product like Fiji to the general public is not the most efficient way of marketing, since the general public is not the intended market for Fiji. Fiji is more targeted at gamers and hardware enthusiast, thus it would more sense to spend the marketing money on ads in more targeted fashion, e.g. ads on gaming and tech sites, game bundles, large presence at tech conventions etc. (AMD does actually appear to be doing the last one).

 

[swilli89]

I'm guessing his point is that advertising a product like Fiji to the general public is not the most efficient way of marketing, since the general public is not the intended market for Fiji. Fiji is more targeted at gamers and hardware enthusiast, thus it would more sense to spend the marketing money on ads in more targeted fashion, e.g. ads on gaming and tech sites, game bundles, large presence at tech conventions etc. (AMD does actually appear to be doing the last one).

Why are we even concerned with how AMD's marketers do their job? People are so opinionated about how they should run their firm. Unless we have concrete news that a buyout is happening or bankruptcy filings have been formalized it's just wasted thoughts.

Prediction:

$699 Fiji XT WCE
$549 Fiji Pro
$399 Hawaii refresh
$299 Full tonga

 

[beginner99]

I pay all the bills son. parents live in my basement If you read my post, its a helluva lot more than 100 watts.

If you gonna talk about AC cost you most also say that you save power in Winter due to less heating required. It's not like Philadelphia has tropical climate. It's more often cool than hot and if you really have such a problem with the heat, open your window.

600 watts is nothing. That's the equivalent of 6 old school light bulbs. Never ever heard anybody claim he had to buy an AC unit because his light bulbs heat the room to much.

 

[swilli89]

If you gonna talk about AC cost you most also say that you save power in Winter due to less heating required. It's not like Philadelphia has tropical climate. It's more often cool than hot and if you really have such a problem with the heat, open your window.

600 watts is nothing. That's the equivalent of 6 old school light bulbs. Never ever heard anybody claim he had to buy an AC unit because his light bulbs heat the room to much.

Yeah card power draw is the current equivalent to the automotive industry and the concern about battery longevity in hybrids. Both matter, but really don't matter at the same time.

 

[AtenRa]

Why are we even concerned with how AMD's marketers do their job? People are so opinionated about how they should run their firm. Unless we have concrete news that a buyout is happening or bankruptcy filings have been formalized it's just wasted thoughts.

Prediction:

$699 Fiji XT WCE
$549 Fiji Pro
$399 Hawaii refresh
$299 Full tonga

Tonga at $299 is not happening, you can buy a Hawaii 290X which is faster at that price today, with R9 290 as low as $250. A full Tonga with 4GB ram would be exceptional at $199-220.

Hawaii refresh at $399 would have to be at least 10% better than GTX980 and at the same or better power efficiency.

 

[swilli89]

Tonga at $299 is not happening, you can buy a Hawaii 290X which is faster at that price today, with R9 290 as low as $250. A full Tonga with 4GB ram would be exceptional at $199-220.

Hawaii refresh at $399 would have to be at least 10% better than GTX980 and at the same or better power efficiency.

Agreed 100%. Just based on my intuition and recent history with new card pricing. Honestly I think AMD might pull a sneak move here and really redefine performance at the $300 mark with:

$300 Hawaii refresh and a
$199 Tonga XT like you said.

But let me ask you, equaling 980 performance at $399 isn't enough? It's over $100 cheaper + doesn't have the future proof worries nvidia is been dealing with recently. (maxwell could easily rapidly age a la Kepler based on the trend)

 

[LTC8K6]

Tonga is GCN 1.2, Hawaii is only 1.1

Full Tonga core might be more impressive than we think.

Would a 4gb full Tonga have a 384/512bit bus?

GCN 1.2 was introduced with the Radeon R9 285 and R9 M295X, which have the "Tonga" GPU. It features improved tessellation performance, lossless delta color compression in order to reduce memory bandwidth usage, an updated and more efficient instruction set, a new high quality scaler for video, and a new multimedia engine (video encoder/decoder).

 

[AtenRa]

But let me ask you, equaling 980 performance at $399 isn't enough? It's over $100 cheaper + doesn't have the future proof worries nvidia is been dealing with recently. (maxwell could easily rapidly age a la Kepler based on the trend)

Hawaii was better than GTX 780 and NVIDIA immediately released the 780Ti which at the time, it was faster than 290X.

GTX980Ti could replace the GTX980 in price after a $399 Hawaii refresh release, pushing GTX980 to $399 and negating AMDs perf/$ advantage.

 

[swilli89]

Hawaii was better than GTX 780 and NVIDIA immediately released the 780Ti which at the time, it was faster than 290X.

GTX980Ti could replace the GTX980 in price after a $399 Hawaii refresh release, pushing GTX980 to $399 and negating AMDs perf/$ advantage.

That is true. Probably a part of the reason they are releasing after 980ti. I just have a feeling that nvidia is going to sell their cut-down 980ti for like $699 which is absurdly expensive for a harvested die.