Watch: Neil Cavuto Calmly Destroys Liberal Student Demanding 'Free' College For All

[Printer Bandit]

Knowledge should be free?

 

[DesiPower]

I'm all for publicly paid for higher education, with the following conditions:

1) community college only, for first 2 years, can then transfer to public in-state university.
2) STEM/business/arts/education/etc only (i.e. no purely academic/humanities/basket weaving degrees. If you want to pursue those degrees you have to do so on your own dime/loans).
3) minimum GPA, course load, & attendance requirements
4) no living expenses. This is not an adult baby sitting program, you still have to live with parents or work to support yourself. I think this is a big contributor to the massive student loan debt we have today - kids use college as 4+ years party time.

You forgot the most imp point, what Neil pointed at towards the end. Cap on tuition, if govt pays, then govt controls the cost. Cannot have another run away freight train like medical cost.

 

[DesiPower]

Knowledge should be free?

Even in ancient civilizations knowledge was not free, students had to give up their families, give up all possessions, go stay in the educational institution, and do chores to get by. What today's entitlist generation is not free knowledge, but govt handouts

 

[nextJin]

I'm all for publicly paid for higher education, with the following conditions:

1) community college only, for first 2 years, can then transfer to public in-state university.
2) STEM/business/arts/education/etc only (i.e. no purely academic/humanities/basket weaving degrees. If you want to pursue those degrees you have to do so on your own dime/loans).
3) minimum GPA, course load, & attendance requirements
4) no living expenses. This is not an adult baby sitting program, you still have to live with parents or work to support yourself. I think this is a big contributor to the massive student loan debt we have today - kids use college as 4+ years party time.

Out of all the bs here, if this is going to happen it should look similar to this. I don't agree with making education free for various reasons but if it's put into law the shit needs to be hard.

Regionally accredited schools and online colleges have EXPLODED because of free government money and those places are complete garbage and worthless in most any industry.

 

[Zorkorist]

It's really strange how that worked out. Back in 1950, most people didn't go to college. Lots of people didn't even finish high school. If your employer wanted you to know shit, they would teach you on the job. I won't say what industry I work in, but most of the senior designers have no formal training. They just have tons of experience. They learned everything on the job.

We all assumed that teaching more people to be skilled would create a super strong economy where everyone is skilled, producing stuff, and contributing to a record high trade surplus. What happened next was shocking. As it turns out, and this seems obvious in hindsight, the demand for skilled labor is limited because the the demand for manufactured goods is partially limited by technology and the ability to find paying customers. There are a billion people in Africa we would like to sell refrigerators to, but they have no way of paying for them, so there's no reason to create refrigerators for them. It doesn't matter if we have 1000 factories or 100000 factories creating refrigerators - having more supply does not automatically increase sales. Supply side economics might work on a very small level, but diminishing returns is a real thing. 2 welders is better than 1 welder, but is 2 million welders better than 1 million welders? What if there is only enough demand for 100k welders? Diminishing returns. Adding more skilled labor does nothing to improve trade or productivity at that point, but it still has a cost associated with it.

And that's where we are today. We went all-in on supply side economics and it failed miserably. Instead of creating some magical utopia where millions of people can all be professional philosophers, we created an economy where millions of people hold a philosophy degree but work at Starbucks.

The billion people in Africa are the key. They need to find success and happiness, and a business that brings them home a pay check, etc., and for that to happen, we can't have our Government, spending into debt, and making simple things like healthcare expensive.

Our future relies on the success of others and those around us. This doesn't mean more Government, rather it means less Government. Fewer leaches sucking off the working man's teat. Fewer lawyers. Fewer insurance companies.

-John