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[sixone]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
There are members of our staff with innocent spouses and small children,there are also staff members involved in our trading forums who often have to deal with some very bad actors.

Then they should be protecting their personal info, just like any other reasonable person on the internet does.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
We had an occurance where a member of our staff was accosted at their home!

This was the reason for allowing the exception.

Was that because the member posted too much personally identifiable info, or because some nutjob had access to info that he shouldn't have?

I have your IP address, from TFNN. Does that mean I can find your house? No.

Perknose used to have enough personal information in his profile to find his address (full name and town)

His choice. What does that have to do with mods needing an alternate identity?

There are members of our staff with innocent spouses and small children,there are also staff members involved in our trading forums who often have to deal with some very bad actors.

Besides, someone still has to be Clark Kent!

I can tell you seriously,it's not to hide or abuse anyone's rights and I can also tell you that based on my own experiences I don't blame anybody who's expressed fear of having direct physical harm fall on their families or themselves as result of being mods here.The member base here is huge and there's more than a few really ill members here.

 

[aircooled]

Well I'm glad to see most of you come out of the closet. Still wish all of you would, but it's not my forum.

Still wondering if Sundog stepped down, definitely a mod a couple years ago.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: sygyzy
My only comment abuot this whole thing is I'd like to know how some of the mods are chosen. Some are obvious to me like Ulfald and AndyHui but at least a few of the mods got the title because of their personal or platonic relationships with each other. Just because someone is your friend/mate doesn't mean they'd make a good mod.

hell geekbabe deserves it. anyone that sleeps with red should get to be a mod here or anywherE!

:laugh:

 

[meltdown75]

giggity giggity

 

[Ulfwald]

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
There are members of our staff with innocent spouses and small children,there are also staff members involved in our trading forums who often have to deal with some very bad actors.

Then they should be protecting their personal info, just like any other reasonable person on the internet does.

Some of us have established reputations on the trading forums, and creating a whole new identity to continue trading would be a pain. Plus, our information is out there with those we traded with. By creating a new id to MODERATE with, this does protect personal information. The mod is still accountable, and the admins know which ones did what, so this still works by holding each mod accountable for their actions. And as in the past, if a moderator screws up, they will be dealt with in both accounts. Just because one account does something, and another does not, does not mean they get off on the non offending account.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
There are members of our staff with innocent spouses and small children,there are also staff members involved in our trading forums who often have to deal with some very bad actors.

I think that's a good point.I might think that someone has to have serious mental issues to confront a mod over a forum thing, like if it was just an OT thing. But in FS/FT, you have trolls who try to rip people off, sometimes for lots of money. People do desperate things for money. I can see a potential safety issue.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Kaervak

Originally posted by: waggy
it really does not matter. this sham is not going to rebuild trust. i feel it will do more to hurt it.

Agreed. "We want the members to know we're on their side, so here's everyone that's a moderator. Well, almost everyone, some didn't want to be known so we created new accounts for them so they can stay anonymous." Honestly, why even bother making the identities known when a few are still anonymous, does nothing to build trust, only cause suspicion.

yeap. sadly i have a feeling it will end like "change of culture" thread. mass banning and nothing changed.

How unfortunate. This seemed like such a positive step.

Guys, don't half-ass this. You want trust, make moderators public and accountable - you were 100% right in that step. If that person needs to be removed from the group because of a conflict, then that should happen - not a new exception for just a few people, which leads back to the exact same problem: That person is no longer directly accountable for their words.

There are plenty of reasonable, capable people to take their places if you remove emotion from the equation and look at this logically.

We had an occurance where a member of our staff was accosted at their home!

This was the reason for allowing the exception.

i think it's more to do with an account the mods can still do things with and not get personal flak. want to ban someone or lock a thread without hearing about it in PMs? use Common Courtesy!

If we hear about it in our personal PMs you get one warning (might be two, to lazy to re-read the guidelines) and then you get banned. Use the Moderator account.
And for the record, I'd have nuked you a long time ago if it was that easy for one Mod to get rid of a member.

Hey Olds, who would've guessed that Fisher and Sixone would be some of those bellyaching about the Moderating:roll:

 

[sixone]

Originally posted by: Ulfwald

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
There are members of our staff with innocent spouses and small children,there are also staff members involved in our trading forums who often have to deal with some very bad actors.

Then they should be protecting their personal info, just like any other reasonable person on the internet does.

Some of us have established reputations on the trading forums, and creating a whole new identity to continue trading would be a pain. Plus, our information is out there with those we traded with. By creating a new id to MODERATE with, this does protect personal information. The mod is still accountable, and the admins know which ones did what, so this still works by holding each mod accountable for their actions. And as in the past, if a moderator screws up, they will be dealt with in both accounts. Just because one account does something, and another does not, does not mean they get off on the non offending account.

That makes a lot of sense - I wasn't looking at it from that perspective. Thanks for making that clear.

 

[Skacer]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
BTW, how's this for the new Mod style?
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I laughed.

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
And before any of you start with the litany öh it's just the internet,grow a thicker skin" that same humanity that made me cry when I saw my wedding pic photoshopped to have me covered in spooge is the same humanity that allows me to merely edit a thread or lock it instead of vacationing,to argue for a second chance for a young person among the other mods.I'm not just a cyberpixel,I'm a living person who recognizes that there are other living people behind those keyboards out there.

Oh.. and the mods who still remain hidden? they do so out of fear of being sought out at their homes and hurt! We've actually had such an occurance and such fear is not paranoid or unrealistic.

Because there are most likely people within the AT community who have that thicker skin, who could see someone absolutely destroy a picture of them and laugh it off and have the ability to make an unbiased and unemotional decision of where the rules begin and end. It's great that you want to help, but are we saying we've exhausted the pool of people who would actually like to be moderators, don't want to hide behind fake identities, and can handle the beating? Because unless you can say that, I don't see what the problem is with rotating moderators out. Especially if the new moderators don't have a problem not being anonymous.

I mean seriously, we have mods that are scared for their lives? wtf. This isn't desert storm, it's a friggen tech forum.

Edit: As far as the established trading information goes, that type of scenario plays out on many other forums where moderators are public knowledge and they still manage to survive.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
There are members of our staff with innocent spouses and small children,there are also staff members involved in our trading forums who often have to deal with some very bad actors.

Then they should be protecting their personal info, just like any other reasonable person on the internet does.

Unfortunately,in the process of doing forum business on behalf of our trading community,that often isn't an option.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Ulfwald

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
There are members of our staff with innocent spouses and small children,there are also staff members involved in our trading forums who often have to deal with some very bad actors.

Then they should be protecting their personal info, just like any other reasonable person on the internet does.

Some of us have established reputations on the trading forums, and creating a whole new identity to continue trading would be a pain. Plus, our information is out there with those we traded with. By creating a new id to MODERATE with, this does protect personal information. The mod is still accountable, and the admins know which ones did what, so this still works by holding each mod accountable for their actions. And as in the past, if a moderator screws up, they will be dealt with in both accounts. Just because one account does something, and another does not, does not mean they get off on the non offending account.

That makes a lot of sense - I wasn't looking at it from that perspective. Thanks for making that clear.

You know how many people I have traded with here that have my home address/phone number? Lots.
But I live in the sticks and shoot first.
BTW, did you pick up my dry cleaning?

 

[So]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Ulfwald

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
There are members of our staff with innocent spouses and small children,there are also staff members involved in our trading forums who often have to deal with some very bad actors.

Then they should be protecting their personal info, just like any other reasonable person on the internet does.

Some of us have established reputations on the trading forums, and creating a whole new identity to continue trading would be a pain. Plus, our information is out there with those we traded with. By creating a new id to MODERATE with, this does protect personal information. The mod is still accountable, and the admins know which ones did what, so this still works by holding each mod accountable for their actions. And as in the past, if a moderator screws up, they will be dealt with in both accounts. Just because one account does something, and another does not, does not mean they get off on the non offending account.

That makes a lot of sense - I wasn't looking at it from that perspective. Thanks for making that clear.

You know how many people I have traded with here that have my home address/phone number? Lots.
But I live in the sticks and shoot first.
BTW, did you pick up my dry cleaning?

Yeah, and if you want it back, I expect $500,000 in unmarked bills deposited in the city park, at noon, in the trashcan by the phone numbered 754-2376.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Skacer

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
BTW, how's this for the new Mod style?
Text

I laughed.

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
And before any of you start with the litany öh it's just the internet,grow a thicker skin" that same humanity that made me cry when I saw my wedding pic photoshopped to have me covered in spooge is the same humanity that allows me to merely edit a thread or lock it instead of vacationing,to argue for a second chance for a young person among the other mods.I'm not just a cyberpixel,I'm a living person who recognizes that there are other living people behind those keyboards out there.

Oh.. and the mods who still remain hidden? they do so out of fear of being sought out at their homes and hurt! We've actually had such an occurance and such fear is not paranoid or unrealistic.

Because there are most likely people within the AT community who have that thicker skin, who could see someone absolutely destroy a picture of them and laugh it off and have the ability to make an unbiased and unemotional decision of where the rules begin and end. It's great that you want to help, but are we saying we've exhausted the pool of people who would actually like to be moderators, don't want to hide behind fake identities, and can handle the beating? Because unless you can say that, I don't see what the problem is with rotating moderators out. Especially if the new moderators don't have a problem not being anonymous.

I mean seriously, we have mods that are scared for their lives? wtf. This isn't desert storm, it's a friggen tech forum.

really? for the record,the member that posted that photoshopped pic of me was not banned,he wasn't even given a vaction and he proudly displayed his work here and elsewhere. I don't know how much fairer you want things to be?
should people be allowed to parade me up and down the streets so that members can urinate on me and have bukkkake parties? would that be thick skinned enough,would it humilate me enough to satisfy you?

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Ulfwald

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
There are members of our staff with innocent spouses and small children,there are also staff members involved in our trading forums who often have to deal with some very bad actors.

Then they should be protecting their personal info, just like any other reasonable person on the internet does.

Some of us have established reputations on the trading forums, and creating a whole new identity to continue trading would be a pain. Plus, our information is out there with those we traded with. By creating a new id to MODERATE with, this does protect personal information. The mod is still accountable, and the admins know which ones did what, so this still works by holding each mod accountable for their actions. And as in the past, if a moderator screws up, they will be dealt with in both accounts. Just because one account does something, and another does not, does not mean they get off on the non offending account.

That makes a lot of sense - I wasn't looking at it from that perspective. Thanks for making that clear.

You know how many people I have traded with here that have my home address/phone number? Lots.
But I live in the sticks and shoot first.
BTW, did you pick up my dry cleaning?

Hey olds, go look on your property line by that big fern tree. See that clump of brush...

 

[OutHouse]

i bet most mods will turn into lurkers now that we know who they are and to avoid conflict and other unpleasant events.

 

[manowar821]

Just a question of common sense here, but... Who in their right mind would ever put personal information of any kind on the internet anywhere, EVER????

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Ulfwald

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
There are members of our staff with innocent spouses and small children,there are also staff members involved in our trading forums who often have to deal with some very bad actors.

Then they should be protecting their personal info, just like any other reasonable person on the internet does.

Some of us have established reputations on the trading forums, and creating a whole new identity to continue trading would be a pain. Plus, our information is out there with those we traded with. By creating a new id to MODERATE with, this does protect personal information. The mod is still accountable, and the admins know which ones did what, so this still works by holding each mod accountable for their actions. And as in the past, if a moderator screws up, they will be dealt with in both accounts. Just because one account does something, and another does not, does not mean they get off on the non offending account.

That makes a lot of sense - I wasn't looking at it from that perspective. Thanks for making that clear.

You know how many people I have traded with here that have my home address/phone number? Lots.
But I live in the sticks and shoot first.
BTW, did you pick up my dry cleaning?

Hey olds, go look on your property line by that big fern tree. See that clump of brush...

Must have been a tomato plant. I fired a round into it and I saw a puff of red stuff fly up.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: manowar821
Just a question of common sense here, but... Who in their right mind would ever put personal information of any kind on the internet anywhere, EVER????

kinda hard not to when you buy or sale a lot.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: manowar821
Just a question of common sense here, but... Who in their right mind would ever put personal information of any kind on the internet anywhere, EVER????

Stuff like this?

 

[sixone]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
really? for the record,the member that posted that photoshopped pic of me was not banned,he wasn't even given a vaction and he proudly displayed his work here and elsewhere. I don't know how much fairer you want things to be?
should people be allowed to parade me up and down the streets so that members can urinate on me and have bukkkake parties? would that be thick skinned enough,would it humilate me enough to satisfy you?

Fair enough to post rumors and innuendo as though it were the truth?

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Citrix
i bet most mods will turn into lurkers now that we know who they are and to avoid conflict and other unpleasant events.

Nah, most of the mods are way too confident for that.

Can you even IMAGINE olds being a lurker? Red? No way.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Ulfwald

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
There are members of our staff with innocent spouses and small children,there are also staff members involved in our trading forums who often have to deal with some very bad actors.

Then they should be protecting their personal info, just like any other reasonable person on the internet does.

Some of us have established reputations on the trading forums, and creating a whole new identity to continue trading would be a pain. Plus, our information is out there with those we traded with. By creating a new id to MODERATE with, this does protect personal information. The mod is still accountable, and the admins know which ones did what, so this still works by holding each mod accountable for their actions. And as in the past, if a moderator screws up, they will be dealt with in both accounts. Just because one account does something, and another does not, does not mean they get off on the non offending account.

That makes a lot of sense - I wasn't looking at it from that perspective. Thanks for making that clear.

You know how many people I have traded with here that have my home address/phone number? Lots.
But I live in the sticks and shoot first.
BTW, did you pick up my dry cleaning?

Hey olds, go look on your property line by that big fern tree. See that clump of brush...

Must have been a tomato plant. I fired a round into it and I saw a puff of red stuff fly up.

.........................

 

[theprodigalrebel]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: manowar821
Just a question of common sense here, but... Who in their right mind would ever put personal information of any kind on the internet anywhere, EVER????

Stuff like this?

Nice MySpace. I like how you didn't use crappy templates on it.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
really? for the record,the member that posted that photoshopped pic of me was not banned,he wasn't even given a vaction and he proudly displayed his work here and elsewhere. I don't know how much fairer you want things to be?
should people be allowed to parade me up and down the streets so that members can urinate on me and have bukkkake parties? would that be thick skinned enough,would it humilate me enough to satisfy you?

I wouldn't have banned someone for doing that to me either and yes I have run large forums as a mod and even an admin. Now what I'd do is a bit difficult for me to just say, because I'm not sure. Technically it's "creative freedom", but it depends where it's posted... in a General or Off-Topic section, it might just be too much, but that depends on the places. In the place where I admin'd, people actually made pictures of each other for gags and they'd make one back. One user actually made a song about the other ( and it was pretty good :laugh: ).

A lot of the times, it's not easy to simply disregard how you feel over a situation, but I think it's a generally good idea to base your actions on the way the forums feel if there isn't a clear cut reasoning. If the person made a new thread for the photoshop'd picture and he ended up being flamed and :thumbsdown: 'd, then yeah, the major populace thinks that it's out of line for the content of the forum and closing and possibly editing out the link might be in the best interest.